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Air superiority - 10/20/2012 8:54:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know that the game calculates "air superiority" during one of the initial phases but am embarrassed to say that I have no idea of the effect this has on the game. Anyone know for sure what is being calculated and what impact it has on game events?

I suppose it might have been a good idea to ask this question three years ago...

Thanks.

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RE: Air superiority - 10/20/2012 9:54:57 PM   
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I know that the game calculates "air superiority" during one of the initial phases but am embarrassed to say that I have no idea of the effect this has on the game. Anyone know for sure what is being calculated and what impact it has on game events?

I suppose it might have been a good idea to ask this question three years ago...

Thanks.


Two off the top are 1) withdrawls/ports being eligible, and 2) the TF Threat Tolerance setting (Low, Normal, High, Absolute)

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RE: Air superiority - 10/20/2012 10:04:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sub loading/unloading would be another.

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RE: Air superiority - 10/20/2012 10:04:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crsutton

I know that the game calculates "air superiority" during one of the initial phases but am embarrassed to say that I have no idea of the effect this has on the game. Anyone know for sure what is being calculated and what impact it has on game events?

I suppose it might have been a good idea to ask this question three years ago...

Thanks.


Two off the top are 1) withdrawls/ports being eligible, and 2) the TF Threat Tolerance setting (Low, Normal, High, Absolute)


Also it influences strike probability and escort algorithms on targets when "commanders decision" is set, it influences surface time of submarines (subs under friendly air superiority have a higher chence to be considered surfaced, and funnily thus a higher chance to be attacked by a submerged enemy sub).

I am sure theres a lot of additional examples, I assume that close to every air war / naval war dice roll on a tactical but non combat scale has air superiority as an additional factor.

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RE: Air superiority - 10/20/2012 11:12:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crsutton

I know that the game calculates "air superiority" during one of the initial phases but am embarrassed to say that I have no idea of the effect this has on the game. Anyone know for sure what is being calculated and what impact it has on game events?

I suppose it might have been a good idea to ask this question three years ago...

Thanks.


Two off the top are 1) withdrawls/ports being eligible, and 2) the TF Threat Tolerance setting (Low, Normal, High, Absolute)


I do not understand 1, and I think I understand 2.

How do you know who has air superiority.

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RE: Air superiority - 10/20/2012 11:14:48 PM   
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Sub loading/unloading would be another.


Why just subs? What would the effects be?

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RE: Air superiority - 10/20/2012 11:47:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Doesn't air superiority also play a part in LBA attacks on shipping?

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RE: Air superiority - 10/21/2012 12:02:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the original WITP,you would get a "air balance" number if you moused over
a base. It would give you a rough idea of air superiority over that base(and
for which side). It was removed from AE, not sure why.



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RE: Air superiority - 10/21/2012 2:40:27 AM   
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In the original WITP,you would get a "air balance" number if you moused over
a base. It would give you a rough idea of air superiority over that base(and
for which side). It was removed from AE, not sure why.



WO 0/0



I think it was removed for FoW purposes. You could mouse over any base and see the concentration of fighters in the area.

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RE: Air superiority - 10/21/2012 8:29:12 AM   
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In the original WITP,you would get a "air balance" number if you moused over
a base. It would give you a rough idea of air superiority over that base(and
for which side). It was removed from AE, not sure why.



WO 0/0



I think it was removed for FoW purposes. You could mouse over any base and see the concentration of fighters in the area.


Thankfully. Was spyware.

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RE: Air superiority - 10/21/2012 8:33:04 AM   
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Doesn't air superiority also play a part in LBA attacks on shipping?


Yes, this is why I wrote: "it influences strike probability and escort algorithms on targets when "commanders decision" is set."

The above applies for naval attack as well as for no target set on ground attack/airfield attack/port attack/strafe/sweep/escort.

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RE: Air superiority - 10/21/2012 9:08:07 AM   
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Doesn't air superiority also play a part in LBA attacks on shipping?


Yes, this is why I wrote: "it influences strike probability and escort algorithms on targets when "commanders decision" is set."

The above applies for naval attack as well as for no target set on ground attack/airfield attack/port attack/strafe/sweep/escort.


What effect will this have on Kamikazi attacks late war. Most of them will be carried out without air superiority.

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RE: Air superiority - 10/21/2012 9:33:00 AM   
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What effect will this have on Kamikazi attacks late war. Most of them will be carried out without air superiority.


I have no idea. The reason is simple: There are so many variables involved on strikes when no target is set, that it is practically impossible
to determine the influence of a single element on a strike.

Theres weather, air superiority, morale, leader aggression, fatigue, air support, HQ, target priority, target distance,....I could go on and on.

I would say it has an impact on Kamikaze target selection and attack probability, but the result can easily get overridden by another variable.


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RE: Air superiority - 10/21/2012 10:00:52 AM   
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RE: Air superiority - 10/21/2012 7:16:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crsutton

I know that the game calculates "air superiority" during one of the initial phases but am embarrassed to say that I have no idea of the effect this has on the game. Anyone know for sure what is being calculated and what impact it has on game events?

I suppose it might have been a good idea to ask this question three years ago...

Thanks.


Two off the top are 1) withdrawls/ports being eligible, and 2) the TF Threat Tolerance setting (Low, Normal, High, Absolute)


I do not understand 1, and I think I understand 2.

How do you know who has air superiority.


The only way I know is seat of the pants and game behavior. WITP had, from memory, an exact ratio shown to the players, but that was removed in AE. I am notorious for not knowing every nook and cranny of the interface, and it's been masively upgraded in the patches, but I don't know of a way except observation.

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RE: Air superiority - 10/21/2012 7:18:26 PM   
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Sub loading/unloading would be another.


Why just subs? What would the effects be?


This only applies to SSTs loading commando-type troops. Not to fuel and weapons.

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RE: Air superiority - 10/21/2012 7:19:52 PM   
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Doesn't air superiority also play a part in LBA attacks on shipping?


Yes, this is why I wrote: "it influences strike probability and escort algorithms on targets when "commanders decision" is set."

The above applies for naval attack as well as for no target set on ground attack/airfield attack/port attack/strafe/sweep/escort.


What effect will this have on Kamikazi attacks late war. Most of them will be carried out without air superiority.


Kamis will fly. Have no fear.

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