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Austrailian troops - 10/20/2012 6:11:50 PM   
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Got a whole pile of them showing up in abadan or aden, do I get penalized in political points, if
I send them to India or must they go back home to Australia ??


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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/20/2012 6:21:36 PM   
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These are the Australian units that have been fighting the Germans in the Mediterranean. They are under the command of the 1st Australian Corps, which is not a restricted command. You are free to use the troops whereever you want without paying any PPs.

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/20/2012 7:04:33 PM   
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Aussie Troops.

The bane of JFB's.

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/20/2012 8:02:12 PM   
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Send them to Tokyo!!!!! Eventually....

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/20/2012 8:09:51 PM   
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Some weird things AI does as Japanese -like send battleship task forces near Hawaii with no air
support and then sending small units to try and capture Dutch harbor. Also does
same thing around coral sea, all easily repulsed .

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/20/2012 8:20:15 PM   
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quote:

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Got a whole pile of them showing up in abadan or aden, do I get penalized in political points, if
I send them to India or must they go back home to Australia ??

thanks



Well, Churchill tried to send them to Burma/India, but the Aussie Gov't said "No Way!" and had them brought home..., so the game is probably too generous in allowing to be sent elsewhere.

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/21/2012 2:53:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: visigoth

Some weird things AI does as Japanese -like send battleship task forces near Hawaii with no air
support and then sending small units to try and capture Dutch harbor. Also does
same thing around coral sea, all easily repulsed .


All designed to keep you on your toes..... (if you have neglected to defend those out of the way areas).

The only problem is the AI isn't smart enough to recognise when it isn't such a good idea.



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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/21/2012 3:22:14 AM   
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Aussie Troops.

The bane of JFB's.


I thought it was the US Marines!

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/21/2012 4:32:09 AM   
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there's 2 kinds of Aussies - AIF & CMF, roughly corresponding to the standing army & the national guard in the USA. the Australian Imperial Force was sent to Egypt, & its troop strength was augmented w/ volunteers from the Citizens Militia Force. w/ the outbreak of the Pacific war, conscription was started to enlarge the CMF, but it retained its home-defense purpose until laws were amended in 43 to allow its use in SWPAC. thus, in the game AIF can go anywhere, but you must spend political geld to xfer a CMF unit to an unrestricted command. iirc, the US Congress also had to pass legislation to allow NG units to transfer to USArmy control.

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/22/2012 12:33:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: visigoth

Got a whole pile of them showing up in abadan or aden, do I get penalized in political points, if
I send them to India or must they go back home to Australia ??

thanks



Well, Churchill tried to send them to Burma/India, but the Aussie Gov't said "No Way!" and had them brought home..., so the game is probably too generous in allowing to be sent elsewhere.


I think the IJ can depend on this and not send enough forces to Burma. From a game standpoint I think it adds some drama for the IJ to allow some freedom from historical, at least for scenario #1. Bringing the 18th British division and AUS I Corps to Burma changes the game tremendously. Especally for an IJ player that plans for the historical scenario minus the interference of the Lady Lex and Yorktown, since repeating the Battle of the Coral Sea is next to impossible in the game .. so after the IJ take PM and Darwin ... the next best thing in my opinion is to pull off Operation "Extended Capital" two years early It is quite possible once the Irrawaddy Valley is taken to completely occupy Indochina by March 1943 ..

A picture below of what happends when certain units are not accounted for before enagaging in imperalist adventures ..







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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/22/2012 4:16:25 AM   
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there's 2 kinds of Aussies - AIF & CMF, roughly corresponding to the standing army & the national guard in the USA. the Australian Imperial Force was sent to Egypt, & its troop strength was augmented w/ volunteers from the Citizens Militia Force. w/ the outbreak of the Pacific war, conscription was started to enlarge the CMF, but it retained its home-defense purpose until laws were amended in 43 to allow its use in SWPAC. thus, in the game AIF can go anywhere, but you must spend political geld to xfer a CMF unit to an unrestricted command. iirc, the US Congress also had to pass legislation to allow NG units to transfer to USArmy control.


At the outbreak of WW2 Australia was defended by 2 armies, the Permanent Military Force (PMF) which provided the Staff Corps and permanent garrisons and coastal artillery and the Australian Military Forces (AMF) otherwise known as the Militia, with approximately 80,000 men.

As with World War 1, to provide a force to go to Europe to fight the Government quickly raised a third force, the Australian Imperial Force (AIF).

The volunteers for the AIF cames from all walks of life, while many Militia units or Soldiers tried to enlist there was also a lot of hurdles put in there way by the upper echelons of the AMF. This continued until well into 1942.

While many Militia men volunteered, there were as many who had good reason, their job, family or a belief that a European war was not theirs (Largely due to Australia's losses in WW1 and the belief they would be mismanaged byu the British Army), it took the japanese attacks to change this attitude.

Between 1939 and 1941 the AIF formed approximately 36 Infantry Battalions, 3 Divisional Cavalry Regiments, 4 Machine Gun Battalions, 4 Pioneer Battalions, 4 Anti Tank Regiments, 12 Field Regiments,6 Armoured Battalions and a number of Independent/Commando Companies plus many Corps units. These formed 4 Infantry and 1 Armoured Divisions. The AMF numbered approximately 60 Infantry Battalions, 4 Divisional Cavalry Regiments, 25 Light Horse/Light Horse Machine Gun/Motor Regiments, 20 Field Regiments, 11 Anti Tank Regiments & 6 Armoured/Tank Battalions in up to 7 Infantry and 2 Armoured Divisions.

The volunteers for the AIF cames from all walks of life, while many Militia units or Soldiers tried to enlist there was also a lot of hurdles put in their way by the upper echelons of the AMF. (Some of this was the need to keep a Home Defence Force in place.) This continued until well into 1942.

PS 9th Australian Div was allowed to remain in the Mid East only because FDR agrred to send another US Division to Australia in early-mid 1942, should have an option to bring it home if the Division is sent elsewhere or (as many mods do) hard code both 31 & 42 US Inf Divs to arrive in Australia.

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/22/2012 8:16:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffK

PS 9th Australian Div was allowed to remain in the Mid East only because FDR agrred to send another US Division to Australia in early-mid 1942, should have an option to bring it home if the Division is sent elsewhere or (as many mods do) hard code both 31 & 42 US Inf Divs to arrive in Australia.

Jeff, was the 23rd ID (Americal) also included in this deal?

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/22/2012 10:32:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffK

PS 9th Australian Div was allowed to remain in the Mid East only because FDR agrred to send another US Division to Australia in early-mid 1942, should have an option to bring it home if the Division is sent elsewhere or (as many mods do) hard code both 31 & 42 US Inf Divs to arrive in Australia.

Jeff, was the 23rd ID (Americal) also included in this deal?

No,(but I''ll check) it was (TF 8814 ?? I think) put together for the defence of new caledonia.

In some mods I've seen it appear in OZ, maybe an attempt to get it placed in the right area.

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/22/2012 11:06:12 PM   
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Some weird things AI does as Japanese -like send battleship task forces near Hawaii with no air
support and then sending small units to try and capture Dutch harbor. Also does
same thing around coral sea, all easily repulsed .


Yep. I've caught Nagato up north of the Hawaiian Islands with a CL as escort. Where she came from I have no idea, but as luck would have it two of my CV's had just arrived at PH along with a couple of fast BB's. They hunted down the rogue BB and sent her to a watery grave. Had the AI used some of those plentiful old CL's it had instead of a slow moving BB I would have had a lot more trouble with that tactic.

I've also had PH raided by a BB TF that didn't bombard the base, but did sink several TF's worth of cargo ships before hightailing back west, pursued by LBA.

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/23/2012 8:00:21 AM   
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From the Australian Official History
http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/records/awmohww2/army/vol5/awmohww2-army-vol5-ch1.pdf

The 9th Division was still in the Middle East—and wa s
likely to remain there since the British leaders considered its retentio n
of the highest importance, and, at Mr Churchill's suggestion, early i n
March the United States had offered to send a second division to Australi a
if the Australian Government would agree to leave the 9th Division temporarily
where it was . The offer was accepted and on 28th March th e
32nd Division, then preparing to move to northern Ireland, was ordere d
to prepare for movement to Australia.


And the US version

http://www.history.army.mil/html/books/005/5-4/CMH_Pub_5-4.pdf

Feeling, as he was to put it later, that his
"primary obligation" was "to save Australia,"
Mr. Curtin flatly refused to sanction
the diversion.4 Moreover, in addition to
demanding the immediate return to Australia
of the 6th and 7th Divisions (the two
divisions en route) he demanded the return
of the 9th Division, the one Australian division
still in the Middle East.
Little exception could be taken to the
transfer home of the 6th and 7th Divisions,
especially since the Australian Government
agreed to the temporary diversion of two
brigades of the 6th Division to Ceylon,
which was then believed to be in imminent
danger of invasion. The case of the 9th
Division was another matter. To pull it out
of the Middle East without replacement
could conceivably so weaken the British line
in the western desert that disaster might result.
The United States, at Mr. Churchill's
suggestion, therefore offered to send a second
division to Australia if the Australian
Government would temporarily leave the
9th Division in the Middle East. The Australian
Government gave its consent to this
arrangement, and the 32d U.S. Infantry
Division, then at Fort Devens, Massachusetts,
where it had been preparing for early
shipment to Northern Ireland, was immediately
ordered to Australia. The leading elements
of the AIF began debarking in Australia
in mid-March, and with the 41st Division
due to arrive in April, and the 32d
Division in May, a rapid concentration of
ground forces in Australia was assured.


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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/23/2012 8:47:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

quote:

Aussie Troops.

The bane of JFB's.


I thought it was the US Marines!


Oh yeah....I'm getting old and forgetful, Aussies and US Marines.....I think I'll just pack in playing my current game now


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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/24/2012 2:48:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Empire101


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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

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Aussie Troops.

The bane of JFB's.


I thought it was the US Marines!


Oh yeah....I'm getting old and forgetful, Aussies and US Marines.....I think I'll just pack in playing my current game now



Wrong, without the Seabees & Airfield Construction engineers the AFB is stuffed!!

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/25/2012 4:17:50 PM   
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The biggest game changer I have found in Burma is to spend the political points to activate 2 US divisions or 1 Division and a couple of Brigades and send those units to Aden and then into Burma. It is a lot of PPs, but they pack a considerable punch as compared to most units operating in the theatre. It works well against the AI, but I have not tried it against a human.

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RE: Austrailian troops - 10/26/2012 7:40:42 AM   
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Any JFB has probably invaded Northern OZ and the Divs are needed for home defence.

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