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A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 11:21:25 AM   
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This get me annoyed. Not that a mistake or such a error could happen but that the company at first refuse to recognize the error.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/oct/11/french-phone-bill

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 12:00:55 PM   
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Thanks for sharing Orm

Faceless Corporations.

Don't you just hate them.

Smug, arrogant, obstructive & destructive.

I'd better stop there or a certain protagonist will come rushing to their rescue.

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 12:34:14 PM   
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To be fair to the company, it was a woman's phone, so the size of the bill was believable

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 12:40:34 PM   
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To be fair to the company, it was a woman's phone, so the size of the bill was believable


You meanie. You crack me up.

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 2:11:28 PM   
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Thanks for sharing Orm

Faceless Corporations.

Don't you just hate them.

Smug, arrogant, obstructive & destructive.

I'd better stop there or a certain protagonist will come rushing to their rescue.
warspite1

Come now Empire old chap, surely you must have cut a few corners, overcharged a few customers, and generally behaved like a cad, on your way to your first billion? How else did you afford your castle?








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Some workers at one of Empire's mills




Some local peasants Empire uses to clean his chimneys

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 2:41:57 PM   
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Yes, that would be annoying for sure. There are plenty of stories about governmeent arrogance as well. Just to balance out the OP.



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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 3:08:37 PM   
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This get me annoyed. Not that a mistake or such a error could happen but that the company at first refuse to recognize the error.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/oct/11/french-phone-bill


Typical, just typical!

"Ok, the bill might be wrong, but first of all, pay it, then we will discuss and eventually fix the aforementioned problem... by the way, are you 100% sure there is a problem here? I can't see it. Did I say you have to pay it? Just do it..."

That's their robotic mentality.

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 3:17:27 PM   
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Warspite, you forgot this (beautiful & sad) one. Coal miner "workers" in West Virginia (if I remember correctly), many moons ago




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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 3:19:45 PM   
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Does this story not strike any of you as odd?

Surely even the most junior of call centre staff would see that a phone bill for a sum that is difficult to even say, let alone comprehend - how much is that anyway - cannot be correct. Even if not, what happened? the case was referred to a manager who thought "yes, of course its possible to rack up such a bill".

If this story is true, this is not so much corporate greed or arrogance - this is more to do with the blind stupidity of people. Imagine the company trying to claim that amount on Direct Debit - I mean it is a physical impossibility..

Plus of course, the story is in the Guardian. Ergo and theretofore its probably $%^%&^&*^.




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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 3:21:53 PM   
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Warspite, you forgot this (beautiful & sad) one. Coal miner "workers" in West Virginia (if I remember correctly), many moons ago



warspite1

TD!!! Don't post that - you'll give Empire ideas for his next money making wheeze.

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 3:35:14 PM   
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Does this story not strike any of you as odd?

Surely even the most junior of call centre staff would see that a phone bill for a sum that is difficult to even say, let alone comprehend - how much is that anyway - cannot be correct. Even if not, what happened? the case was referred to a manager who thought "yes, of course its possible to rack up such a bill".


Sure it's odd. Hell, it's beyond grotesque. That's why it made it to The Guardian

But still, I more or less understand... Point One: many times these call centre workers do NOT listen to what you are saying. I am sure everyone of us can say so.

Point two: these workers might be very far away, let's say in Africa (in the French case; India, the British case). Perhaps they have problems with inflation (and of course they deduce there is inflation everywhere)! I remember I was literally a millionaire in Vietnam! I had millions in my pockets and proudly spent them... buying bread, coffee, tobacco and beer...

And finally we cannot rule this out: that concrete worker was possibly just a little bit er... thick

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 3:58:50 PM   
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Does this story not strike any of you as odd?

Surely even the most junior of call centre staff would see that a phone bill for a sum that is difficult to even say, let alone comprehend - how much is that anyway - cannot be correct. Even if not, what happened? the case was referred to a manager who thought "yes, of course its possible to rack up such a bill".

If this story is true, this is not so much corporate greed or arrogance - this is more to do with the blind stupidity of people. Imagine the company trying to claim that amount on Direct Debit - I mean it is a physical impossibility..

Plus of course, the story is in the Guardian. Ergo and theretofore its probably $%^%&^&*^.




I picked this story up in a local news paper that is usually good at checking the stories. But they do make mistakes and they originnaly got the story from the guardian so therefore I linked to that newspaper.

If it is true then it is indeed about the stupidity and laziness of people. But I think they answered as they were instructed to answer and they didn't even bother to check the numbers. I suspect the call went something like this;

Caller: Hello. My phone bill is not correct, it is way to much to pay.
Call centre: No. The bill is correct. The automated reading do not make mistakes.
Caller: But the sum on the bill is more money than I can even say.
Call centre: Still. The bill is correct and must be paid.
Caller: But it is a seventeen figures number. That can't be possible be right. My bill should be around one to two hundred euro.
Call centre: If you can't pay your bill at once we can help you with a payment plan.
Caller: Could you please check your reading of the phone bill. It must be a fault somewhere.
Call centre. Our automated service do not make mistakes.
Caller: Could I please talk with a supervisor?
Call centre: Of course. Please hold.
10 minutes pass and call is then disconnected.

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 4:01:15 PM   
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Does this story not strike any of you as odd?

Surely even the most junior of call centre staff would see that a phone bill for a sum that is difficult to even say, let alone comprehend - how much is that anyway - cannot be correct. Even if not, what happened? the case was referred to a manager who thought "yes, of course its possible to rack up such a bill".

If this story is true, this is not so much corporate greed or arrogance - this is more to do with the blind stupidity of people. Imagine the company trying to claim that amount on Direct Debit - I mean it is a physical impossibility..

Plus of course, the story is in the Guardian. Ergo and theretofore its probably $%^%&^&*^.





Caller: Could I please talk with a supervisor?
Call centre: Of course. Please hold.
10 minutes pass and call is then disconnected.

warspite1

Ain't that the truth.

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 4:55:02 PM   
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This is why I pay most of my bills by good olde fashioned "cheques", rather than automated account debit. With this example, they (the phone company) needs to convince me why I should cut a check for a million billion euros-which isn't going to happen. In the case of the automated account debit, they just take it out of your account by 'agreement'. Then it's up to you to ask for / explain / beg for reimbursement or reversal of charges.

I find it best to assume that these larger companies are faceless, bloodless, profit-driven corporations bent on their own goals. Customers can (usually) go and hang. These low expectations make dealing with them much easier, as I assume they'll try to screw me however they can. I'm sometimes pleasantly surprised to the contrary.

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 5:24:39 PM   
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Thanks for sharing Orm

Faceless Corporations.

Don't you just hate them.

Smug, arrogant, obstructive & destructive.

I'd better stop there or a certain protagonist will come rushing to their rescue.
warspite1

Come now Empire old chap, surely you must have cut a few corners, overcharged a few customers, and generally behaved like a cad, on your way to your first billion? How else did you afford your castle?





How else could I afford my first castle you mean....

For everyone else's information, Warspite has misinformed.
As Warspite well knows, the above pictures were taken many years ago, when trade unions could still make us rapacious capitalists pay lip service to workers rights and conditions.





The spacious and generous living conditions I allow my workers.




A local housing estate after I discovered oil.




How to deal with striking workers. ( taken from 'Effective Strategies to deal with Trade Unions' by Emperor Nero )

So you can see I maximise my profits, while still being strict but fair.
Just like in China.

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 5:35:44 PM   
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Does this story not strike any of you as odd?

Plus of course, the story is in the Guardian. Ergo and theretofore its probably $%^%&^&*^.





I think you may be onto something there!!


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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 5:44:37 PM   
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At least they finally said they were wrong. That is better than most politicians.
A rather famous politician recently said corporations were "people" too.
So I suspect they have just as much soul and heart and brains as your average Joe.
Which is..... BTW PoultryMan I once lived in Minnesota finding it to be a rather
tolerable place for a Kannokistani. Do you ride a dinosaur to the counting house
to pay with "cheques"? I had to write one the other day and the only ones I could
find in the house were predated to the last century.

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 5:48:48 PM   
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Warspite, you forgot this (beautiful & sad) one. Coal miner "workers" in West Virginia (if I remember correctly), many moons ago





If you checked Tullius, that is a picture of some of Warspite's workers not mine.

As you can see, Warspite is far too generous an employer, and as such should really be barred from the Victorian Employers Club.
If you examine this photo you can surmise that they can afford to eat and wear clothes at the same time.
That would never be allowed in one of my hellholes.... ahem... I mean factory.


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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 5:48:52 PM   
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Thanks for sharing Orm

Faceless Corporations.

Don't you just hate them.

Smug, arrogant, obstructive & destructive.

I'd better stop there or a certain protagonist will come rushing to their rescue.
warspite1

Come now Empire old chap, surely you must have cut a few corners, overcharged a few customers, and generally behaved like a cad, on your way to your first billion? How else did you afford your castle?





The spacious and generous living conditions I allow my workers.




A local housing estate after I discovered oil.




How to deal with striking workers. ( taken from 'Effective Strategies to deal with Trade Unions' by Emperor Nero )
warspite1

An attitude that does you credit Mr E


And another quality response

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 5:51:43 PM   
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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 6:05:10 PM   
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warspite1

Out of curiosity Empire old boy, what exactly was the nature of the episode that elicited the response (pictured above) from you?

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 6:10:18 PM   
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Actually, crucifixion took massively place during the Social War, Spartacus, in the late Republic, much before Nero

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 6:13:52 PM   
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Actually, crucifixion took massively place during the Social War, Spartacus, in the late Republic, much before Nero
warspite1

Pardon?

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 6:15:05 PM   
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Warspite your pix of boys working in linen mill reminded me of my Grandmother working in the mills in Maine wearing Roller Skates, so they could get to the broken threads on the machines faster, ah, yes automation ! !!

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 6:15:33 PM   
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Out of curiosity Empire old boy, what exactly was the nature of the episode that elicited the response (pictured above) from you?


One only has to read post #17 to get the answer to that!!

Underage Child Labourer :- ( in a quavering voice )'Please Sir, can we have some more...?'

Lord Strathclyde of Empire ( Me ) :- 'MORE!!!! You'll be wanting me to pump the water out the shafts next!!!
Centurion! Have these scoundrels flayed to within an inch of their lives and cast down the nearest sewer!!'


( Rides off with his cavorting fool by his side )


So as you can see, I'm strict but fair


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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 6:15:49 PM   
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Warspite, you forgot this (beautiful & sad) one. Coal miner "workers" in West Virginia (if I remember correctly), many moons ago





If you checked Tullius, that is a picture of some of Warspite's workers not mine.

As you can see, Warspite is far too generous an employer, and as such should really be barred from the Victorian Employers Club. If you examine this photo you can surmise that they can afford to eat and wear clothes at the same time.

warspite1

I say, steady on, your making me sound like one of those communist chappie's.

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 6:17:32 PM   
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warspite1

Out of curiosity Empire old boy, what exactly was the nature of the episode that elicited the response (pictured above) from you?


One only has to read post #17 to get the answer to that!!

Underage Child Labourer :- ( in a quavering voice )'Please Sir, can we have some more...?'

Lord Strathclyde of Empire ( Me ) :- 'MORE!!!! You'll be wanting me to pump the water out the shafts next!!!
Centurion! Have these scoundrels flayed to within an inch of their lives and cast down the nearest sewer!!'


( Rides off with his cavorting fool by his side )


So as you can see, I'm strict but fair

warspite1

Sensible policies for a happier Britain

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 6:23:33 PM   
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Warspite your pix of boys working in linen mill reminded me of my Grandmother working in the mills in Maine wearing Roller Skates, so they could get to the broken threads on the machines faster, ah, yes automation ! !!
warspite1

Really? What a coincidence - I insist on my estate girls wearing roller skates too - especially my personal secretary









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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 6:29:33 PM   
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I say, steady on, your making me sound like one of those communist chappie's.


Indeed Sir!! I have already written to Lord Salisbury to review your membership of the Victorian Employer's Club for Filthy Rich Industrialist's.

Feeding and clothing your underage child slaves is strictly forbidden under the club's rules, as you well know sir!

Next thing is you'll be listening to your wife and endeavouring to teach them to read and write!!.

Ye Gad sir!!!
I will not stand for it sir!!

Yours sniffily,

Lord Strathclyde of Empire

P.S. For your information, I feel this is more than adequate for my workers sir!!






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Sensible policies for a happier Britain


Indeed they are sir!!
I'm off to soundly whip a chap who took a few hours off, to take his sick child to the infirmary!!
The affrontery!
Family before profit?? The man is obviously insane.

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RE: A 11,721,000,000,000,000 euro bill! - 10/13/2012 6:40:59 PM   
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I say, steady on, your making me sound like one of those communist chappie's.


Indeed Sir!! I have already written to Lord Salisbury to review your membership of the Victorian Employer's Club for Filthy Rich Industrialist's.

Feeding and clothing your underage child slaves is strictly forbidden under the club's rules, as you well know sir!

Next thing is you'll be listening to your wife and endeavouring to teach them to read and write!!.

Ye Gad sir!!!
I will not stand for it sir!!

Yours sniffily,

Lord Strathclyde of Empire

P.S. For your information, I feel this is more than adequate for my workers sir!!






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Sensible policies for a happier Britain


Indeed they are sir!!
I'm off to soundly whip a chap who took a few hours off, to take his sick child to the infirmary!!
The affrontery!
Family before profit?? The man is obviously insane.
warspite1

Lord Empire, I must respectfully request that you desist from giving specific stories re your workers. Have you not checked your NDA?

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