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Question on a SC TF protecting a transport TF - 10/4/2012 4:38:54 PM   
Buckrock

 

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Status: offline 		General question....

To protect an important transport TF against enemy surface forces, I've got a Surface Combat TF with follow TF orders. The SC TF has a good, aggressive leader and has an SG equipped ship present (amongst others).

Anything else to consider to increase the chance of catching enemy forces before they reach the transports? Or should I just suck it and see?

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RE: Question on a SC TF protecting a transport TF - 10/4/2012 5:20:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have the transport TF follow the SCTF. The SCTF wll be leading and will slow down to let the transport TF catch up.

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RE: Question on a SC TF protecting a transport TF - 10/4/2012 5:22:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Buckrock

General question....

To protect an important transport TF against enemy surface forces, I've got a Surface Combat TF with follow TF orders. The SC TF has a good, aggressive leader and has an SG equipped ship present (amongst others).

Anything else to consider to increase the chance of catching enemy forces before they reach the transports? Or should I just suck it and see?

Thanks



I include combat ships(also CA and BB if necessary) directly in the transport TF.
SC TFs have offensive behavior, they follow target TF to move, not to defend it, they constantly search to engage enemy ships, but defense of target isn't theirs object, so transport TF may be left alone

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RE: Question on a SC TF protecting a transport TF - 10/4/2012 8:28:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the goal is to keep the transports alive. Any one of the convoy TF types will seek to withdraw from combat at first opportunity. Put adequate protection in the Convoy TF first, then create a SAG with spare ships. If escorts have radar, the Convoy may be able to fleet from approach raiders with adequate protection, especially if the raiders are AMC or other slower classes.

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RE: Question on a SC TF protecting a transport TF - 10/4/2012 10:53:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would ensure that both the SAG and the transport TF are on ZERO react.... with the TF on low threat tolerance. The idea as indicated above is to get to the beach, NOT die in route. And as indicted above you need to have direct escort, certainly DDs and DEs for ASW but maybe one larger if you expect surface trouble. And if you have it, a CVE would be nice.... and so would a case of Bud.......

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RE: Question on a SC TF protecting a transport TF - 10/5/2012 4:31:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Invasion TFs get BBs and CAs for shore fire support, but not cargo or regular transport. They seem to get creamed if tangled up with cargo ships while in a surface action. I keep my bigger warships in separate SCTFs. If it is an important TF then multiple covering TFs.

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RE: Question on a SC TF protecting a transport TF - 10/5/2012 5:16:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Agree that warships fight very poorly when mixed in with transport TFs. So make a SCTF & set it to your destination (react 0). Set the transport TF to follow. Put any "extra" warships in the transport TF, including ASW capable ships. If anything gets thru your SCTF they'll give a bit of additional protection.

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RE: Question on a SC TF protecting a transport TF - 10/5/2012 11:05:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SBD

Agree that warships fight very poorly when mixed in with transport TFs. So make a SCTF & set it to your destination (react 0). Set the transport TF to follow. Put any "extra" warships in the transport TF, including ASW capable ships. If anything gets thru your SCTF they'll give a bit of additional protection.


+1 This is exactly what I do.

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RE: Question on a SC TF protecting a transport TF - 10/5/2012 4:43:32 PM   
Buckrock

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks everyone.

I've swapped the follow orders around and added an old USN CL to the DDs already acting as close protection within the Transport TF.

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RE: Question on a SC TF protecting a transport TF - 10/5/2012 5:26:11 PM   
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One of the things I learned early from reading the forums is to have my amphib/trans groups follow an escort TF (not escort role assigned in game but this is named after its function). This typically means to create a small SC TF which I do my best to ensure includes at least 4 asw ships. If escorts are limited in availability, I make this fleet into an ASW fleet if possible(which caps at 4). Adding one or two assets per transport fleet is also handy. One of the things I have modified on this setup after further experimentation is to include a CL(with a scout plane) inside these transport groups for sub detection. Is this a perfect setup? I cannot say but, since making these changes I don't see as much as I did previously of inattentive ASW assets ignoring subs while they take free shots at my transport ships. I also see these transport groups detecting subs my search planes did not, or at the very least, increasing their DL. Forgive my sleepyheadedness but I found those Jap CLs with a speed of 25 (Kuma class I think?) to be excellent choices for transport groups in key landing zones. I do worry about them a bit since they have future upgrades into insanely mean AA platforms.

On a further note, I was reading some very old AARs and saw mention made of the task force numbers also effect the turn resolution and as a consequence, whether the SC/ASW TF is seen by hidden subs first or if it will be the transport TF. While I do not see much mentioned about this idea, it has seemed to work. Of course, I made several changes to my shipping convoy composition as well as transport composition at the same time, so it is possible I am seeing the effect of one or more other changes to my setup. This concept does require managing which fleets get assigned which TF numbers. I have a pool of transport ships ported somewhere that creates 'dummy' fleets of one ship to reserve my needed TF numbers. Again, the task force number thing is not something I see mentioned much here and I cannot find the post(s) that discussed this whole issue. I know it was discussed by a number of old posters here so I followed the advice and saw good results.

My first couple attempts at campaigns were unmitigated disasters... the advice here has been invaluable... ALWAYS test the results for yourself rather than accept it as 'gospel'.

Final note: do not keep your better combat ships(CA compared to CL) always hiding in a fleet for transport only. Use them for short periods for specific purposes(shore bombardment/support while landing troops), then put these combat ships in the proper fleet type. Their combat ability clearly seems to suffer and much greater risk of early ship collision with the maneuvers taking place while surrounded by slow ass haulers :P I have seen a HUGE reduction in transport fleets being surprise attacked with the above methods, however, I would like to seek confirmation on this fleet TF number issue. Maybe Michaelm isn't busy today and can comment :)

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