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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/3/2013 10:42:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Encircled

"Doing a Bullwinkle" could go down in WITP:AE folklore

Of course, that could be either a "good" or a "bad" thing.....


That's why I have two antlers. Hang it either right or left.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/4/2013 3:29:35 AM   
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Just ran the movie. No "Bullwinkle" to be seen. But a bad day for Yamato. Those FAA biplanes from a different era . . . Nasty.

Full post in the AM.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/4/2013 3:57:39 AM   
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Then is Yamato the Bismarck of the Indian Ocean?

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/4/2013 12:23:40 PM   
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I <3 me some stringbags.

They do appear to be effective in game, just as in real life. More so than the TBDs thats for sure.


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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/4/2013 6:54:33 PM   
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July 17, 1942

Pick Your Image; Big Day in the IO

If you're of a classic bent you might imagine the two USN "naked" carriers in the Marshalls as the Charge of the Light Brigade. If you're like me, picture Curly Joe from The Three Stooges: slapping the face, prancing on twinkle toes, "Whup, whup whup!!!" The two ride loaded for bear back to the NE and once again . . . nothing. The KB goes its own way, creams a bunch of needed APDs heading in to Roi-Namaur to try to lift off the Seabees, but either does not see the carriers or thinks the APDs are more tasty.

So, for at least another day, no new "Pull a Bullwinkle" legend is born.

1) The IO is where most of the action is today.

--night phase, and the Wasp TF, running west to where I last saw a retreating, damaged Junyo TF, runs into this. The IJN does slightly better, but only because North Carolina only gets off one shot as the two disengage.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Car Nicobar at 42,61, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 1
CA Atago, Shell hits 2
CA Maya
CA Chokai, Shell hits 1
DD Inazuma
DD Isonami

Allied Ships
CV Wasp
BB North Carolina
CLAA San Juan
CL Detroit, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Lang
DD Stack
DD Sterett, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Wilson, Shell hits 1

--during the day much of the air power focused on Rangoon shifts to naval attacks on the TF unloading at Tavoy. All of the men and gear is ashore except a little motorized support and about 1500 supply. The Indian unit there now has a bit of support, and bit of engineering, and some mortars to supplement the 60 squads of shooters. It won't hold, but it's a plug for now on some of the supply Rangoon desperately needs.

--Morning Air attack on TF, near Tavoy at 54,60

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
G3M3 Nell x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
xAP Rohna, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
KV Thyme
xAP Malda

--Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Tavoy at 54,60

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
G3M3 Nell x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
xAP Rohna, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Indora, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAP Malda, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
KV Thyme, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Rajula

--Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Tavoy at 54,60

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
xAP Rohna, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Malda, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Rajula, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

This TF being crushed costs ships and VPs, but it also keeps the torpedo Netties off the Wasp and NC. Worth it? I think so.

2) IO continued. The big boys beef.

--As above Wasp and Co. go west with HMS Indomitable one hex behind, following. This is one of those AE stories. She is scheduled to withdraw in three days. She also left Colombo with light damage, and only 12 TBs aboard. No fighters. Her air wing is scattered all over the theater right now. I'll take stiff PP hits not withdrawing on time. Yet I still wanted her. As torpedo bait I'll admit, but she's with Oklahoma and some valuable escorts too. I just had a feeling I wanted those dozen old biplane crates.

No sign of Junyo; maybe she sank. Can't break plane losses out from the carnage in the Marshalls, plus Hiyo might have landed some and overloaded. Any Kates probably could make Sabang as well. But in a series of wheeling fights the two carriers dish out some revenge for the USN loses in Mid-Pac.

--Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 38,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
Swordfish I x 7
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
SBD-3 Dauntless x 13

Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish I: 1 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage


Aircraft Attacking:
10 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
7 x Swordfish I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Hiyo

--Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 38,65

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 4

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

--Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 40,66

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 9
TBF-1 Avenger x 11

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Atago
BB Kirishima
CA Maya

That's four fish in Yamato in two days. I somehow still don't think that's enough. But Hiyo should be a goner. Will see what tomorrow shows location-wise. One hit on Yamato showed as loss of a main turret. If she survives that's months in the HI after a run past lots of subs in the Malacca, or a pass by more subs at Oosthaven.

3) Just to document what happened in the Marshalls. I bugged more ships out to the north, to shape courses for Pearly once in open water. The APDs got creamed as I said. The big surface TF full of old BBs did not fight. More strikes on Wake; I think he's feeling out how an air campaign there might let him have this base at this point. It has two USMC defense units, plus a couple of other units (overstacked), and is almost to Forts 6.

--Afternoon Air attack on Wake Island , at 136,98

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 1
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

--Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taongi at 134,106

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43
B5N2 Kate x 31
D3A1 Val x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
APD Gregory, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
APD Little, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Schley, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Humphreys
APD Crane, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
APD Waters, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Tomorrow I will continue the general withdrawal of non-essential ships from the Marshalls. I'd like to get at least some of the men off Roi-Namur, but they might be POWs. Will see if I have a locate on the KB. The two carriers will try to get north and pick up some escorts. My replenishment TF is gone, so the carriers need to be economical to get home. Then it'll be "we'll see" as to his moves on Eniwetok and Wake. I don't think spending a lot of fuel and men is worth it for him to try to stabilize the islands more than they are--with him holding all originals except Eniwetok--but he may beat on Eniwetok for awhile. If so, so be it. He should be focusing on Java and PBang; I think he's focused on Marshalls and Rangoon. Only one of those can really harm his position.

4) One reason I think Eniwetok isn't his biggest problem is Rabaul v. Truk. Many of my Forts were damaged yesterday in the intro attack, but I saw four CVLs in port refueling today, so I flew what would go. It's extreme range and there won't be daily raids, but when I can. The B-17s run into Zeros this time, some on Training, but still plant a couple of really good hits on Truk.

--Morning Air attack on Truk , at 112,108

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara, Bomb hits 1
AD Koshu Maru #2, Bomb hits 1, on fire

5) Elsewhere the Soerbaja air force hits Kendari and other bases on the Celebes and Timor for light air field damage and a couple of Oscars on the ground. Strat attacks on oil do not score.

No Night Bombing Today

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/4/2013 7:04:33 PM   
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If Yamato makes it back to the HI you might take the repair yard she's heading to before she gets out of it.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/4/2013 7:10:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert

If Yamato makes it back to the HI you might take the repair yard she's heading to before she gets out of it.


Based on my experience with Warspite you're probably right.

The thing that kills me is the USN TBs had two duds on her. The RNs torpedoes work. Two more and she'd be sunk.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/7/2013 4:44:45 AM   
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Just watched the movie. Yamato didn't make it. As bad as losing a carrier I think.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/7/2013 9:06:27 AM   
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"Unsinkable" means something different in Japanese!

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/7/2013 1:43:06 PM   
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Just watched the movie. Yamato didn't make it. As bad as losing a carrier I think.


Not nearly.

Yamato can provide a few good moments over the course of the entire war, but is simply too much of a fuel guzzling behemoth to do make a real difference. It's hard to replenish and I've found it doesn't use it's secondary armament much if at all. Once damaged it takes forever to repair.

So yes, it has good late war AA, but it's really almost a one shot deal. I'd take even a poor CV like Junyo over Yamato.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/7/2013 1:51:48 PM   
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Yeah, but losing Yamato is, if nothing else, a symbolic blow to Japan. I've never met a Japanese player who didn't suffer a morale hit when losing her. It's kind of like a memorable scene in The Battle of the Bulge in which the German panzer leader tells his commanding officer that they can't bypass the American strongpoint; they have to inflict defeat, because the Americans are receiving chocolate cake flown into Boston.

Sometimes, inflicitng a loss or defeat takes on dimensions above and beyond the actual value of what's involved. Symbolically, sinking Yamato is a big deal.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/7/2013 5:50:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Yeah, but losing Yamato is, if nothing else, a symbolic blow to Japan. I've never met a Japanese player who didn't suffer a morale hit when losing her. It's kind of like a memorable scene in The Battle of the Bulge in which the German panzer leader tells his commanding officer that they can't bypass the American strongpoint; they have to inflict defeat, because the Americans are receiving chocolate cake flown into Boston.

Sometimes, inflicitng a loss or defeat takes on dimensions above and beyond the actual value of what's involved. Symbolically, sinking Yamato is a big deal.


This.

While I ack the fuel and reload problems having her at Singers makes a bombardment up the Burma coast an ever-present threat. She's a prestige ship. She has great AA for fast carrier TFs. She can go toe-to-toe with any of the USN super-BBs in the late war and sink them. (I've lost both Iowa and New Jersey to her at once in an AI game.) And, to me most important, she's a big load of VPs.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 9/7/2013 6:59:19 PM   
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Yamato Gone; Fish in the Marshalls

1) The retreat from the Marshalls continues. At this point I will declare Operation SNAGGLEPUSS over in its offensive phases. But for the loss of three fleet carriers I would judge it a success: Eniwetok taken, attrition of Japanese naval air, a hit on Shoho, a reaction to moves in Burma that cost the IJN significantly, a toe-hold in the Marianas, several Marshalls dot bases taken that will need to be retaken else they become patrol bases, lots of fuel burned, time eaten up. But three carriers is an "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln . . . " event. Not wholly fatal to 1942 efforts, but no help either. The huge loss of DBs is particularly hurtful right now, as decent pieces of the air wings survive on Eniwetok and Wake, but have no replacements.

The map is a crazy-quilt today as escorts are routed to pick up escort-less charges heading back to the sub zones around Pearl. The Lex/Sara pick up a huge escort of BBs, CAs, and DDs and re-establish CAP. The KB is heading SW and should not be a factor in the retreat.

2) Speaking of the KB, those crappy MK14s do sometimes work. USS Pollack, one of my least favorite sub names of all time, puts one where it does the most good. Underwater belt penetration, critical engine damage text message.





Sub attack near Wotje at 134,115

Japanese Ships
CV Zuikaku, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Chikuma
DD Kawakaze
DD Yudachi

Allied Ships
SS Pollack

A second attack by an S-boat inside Kwajalein harbor misses. But Kwaj can be penetrated, and there are a few 4Es at Wake. Parking a carrier at Kwaj is a bad idea. For that matter Truk isn't real safe right now either.

Submarine attack near Kwajalein Island at 132,115

Japanese Ships
CV Zuikaku

Allied Ships
SS S-35

CV Zuikaku is sighted by SS S-35
SS S-35 launches 4 torpedoes

3) In the IO the Japanese finds and creams a small supply-only TF bringing supplies to the lodgment at Tavoy. Again, here I don't mind that much as it keeps the torpedo Netties off the Wasp, which hangs around another day.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 50,57

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
G4M1 Betty x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
xAKL Hermelin, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Kwai Sang, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAKL Illinoian, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
xAKL Chaksang, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Later, the xAPs which were finishing the unload at Tavoy itself are hit again. One un-hit ship is formed into a 1-ship TF and ordered to flee alone, another example where 1-ship TFs are completely legit. Its two sisters had Fire levels in the mid-70s and were just trying to dump whatever they could at Tavoy before sinking at the piers without this additional help.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Tavoy at 53,60

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
G3M3 Nell x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 7 damaged

Allied Ships
xAP Rajula, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAP Malda, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

4) Farther west it's a bad day for the IJN. Wasp and the RN have stayed another day, despite Wasp having 17 System and 9 Flooding, and the RN two days from the withdrawal date. No sign of either Junyo or Hiyo. I hope they sank, and Hiyo should have from the animation, but the plane totals don't indicate they did. Although, again, Sabang is in range for a bingo base. I'm afraid a big surface response is screaming in on me from Singers or near Rangoon, and Japan in this era has an amazing intercept ability on carriers. But I hang another day, shift a bit west and south, and adjust search. Glad I did.

The LBA from Port Blair comes in first at long range. Only 500-lb bombs, but they add to the system and fire problems.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 39,66

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-26 Marauder x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
CA Mikuma

Then the main event.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 39,66

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
SBD-3 Dauntless x 17
TBF-1 Avenger x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Oshio, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
1 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
12 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CA Mikuma

But wait! There's more!

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 39,66

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Swordfish I x 7
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
SBD-3 Dauntless x 17
TBF-1 Avenger x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish I: 1 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Oshio, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CA Mikuma, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage (Five were 1000-b armor penetrations. She's toast. I hate CAs!!)

Wasp and Co. combine into one large TF with two BBs now plus two carriers, and will head for the barn after a jog west. The Stringbag pilots will be unable to pay for a drink on the island of Ceylon

5) On land things progress.

-- Sweeps and bombing at Palembnag are medium-bad, but the new AA from 32nd ID and the retreated Dutch base forces continues to chew. AF damage is down to 16; Fort building should resume tomorrow.

--Eniwetok is swept unsuccessfully. It will be important to see how much Japan fights this base, and how much they just accept it. IMO it's always an important base for a Mid-Pac strategy, but combined with Wake it's a GREAT base to hold early. It is not well-defended right now, but it would take about a division to re-capture. I suspect Japan will build Ponape to counter it; Kwaj might stay about where it is now. Kwaj will take 1-2 divisions for me as well. Someday . . .

--The air war over Rangoon is where it's at now. As the Big Stack moves ever closer to the railhead at Lashio (I hope he does not notice it) the siege at Rangoon hangs on. Full supply occurred today putting the entire stack in the white. This is encouraging as I think he's got bigger supply woes in the city, and possibly at Pegu, than I do out in the suburbs.

The Allies have been getting up a motley CAP over Rangoon from Prome. Not enough to stop the troop bombing, but enough to hurt. Thare were many misisons today; this is just a sample. And they cost supply when they come from the "Rangoon Ring." Those from Chiang Mai and points south don't cost in that way, but are at extreme range. Ops losses continue to build for Japan.

Morning Air attack on 75th Indian Brigade, at 54,53 (Rangoon)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 14

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 2
Mohawk IV x 3
P-38E Lightning x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

--There is still no sign of troops moving on either Pbang from Benk., or Soerbaja from the SE side of the island. Soerbaja still has a lot of planes, but nothing in the yards. It goes to Forts 6 in four days or so. I will stop there and try to build a little supply.

--Allies AF bomb Makasar and Kendari for light damage. Also Rangoon with B-17s for the same. AF damage at Rangoon is now between 5 and 10%.

--One Refinery hit at Tjepoe. The oil industry there is essentially gone. Both Oil and Refineries are in low single digits.

6) Ledo AF goes to Level 5 and continues to build. Transport efforts there are all focused on Paoshan. I have ordered all Supply=0 LCUs at Paoshan to move to Lashio, which has lots of supply. Paoshan will still have a solid garrison, but the horde at Tsuyung could take it. Lashio will be a different animal with Forts already 6, a huge Chinese stack, and 15,000 supply easily maintained during the monsoon from Mandalay. What stays at Paoshan is whatever can be air-supplied from Ledo. Once the Big Stack gets east of Lashio there might be some land flow to Paoshan from there. I hope so.

7) The B-17s at Rabaul stand down for repairs. Recon of Truk shows 44 ships in, and a fighter force of about 16. The AF at Rabaul has grown to 25% of Level 5 in two days. Every B-17 I can spare is there or headed there. I expect Rabaul to be a battlefield in the back half of the year, or Truk is going to be OOC.

No Night Bombing Today



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Allies Try to Push Back

A move-the-peanut turn, but in a few places the Allies begin to try to equalize the air effort.

1) Subs are swarming the Marshalls as the surface guys withdraw. More barges are hit at Kwaj as three subs go into the harbor itself. ASW response is light and ineffective. Recon gives a TF with six CSes, which seems unlikely. Perhaps the KB is hanging around a bit?

The general withdrawal continues. Japanese patrol planes, including Glens, see some of the TFs heading east. Most have some fairly exotic waypointing and are not in each others' tracks, so even if a couple get popped the majority should get through. Back at Eniwetok and Wake five ships are on fire. Two are gaining and three are losing. CVE Long Island is one of the losers. I should scuttle, but I'm always an optimist when it comes to Allied DC.

Tried to streamline Eniwetok. Turned off all construction except Forts. Withdrew the SBDs to Wake. It is level 3 versus 1, and I don't want to get precious planes trapped and destroyed. Left one squadron of Wildcats, and a small remnant of Mohawks, plus two small Cat units for search to help the subs and to run supply to Roi-Namur as long as the men there last. Also rationalized Wake, pulling some scraps like AGs back to Pearl and leaving the fighting core. If he wants Wake he better come loaded.

2) Out in the DEI SS Saury intercepts a medium troop-carrying TF and sinks xAK Okuyo Maru. The TF has four more xAKs and four escorts, and is south-bound. Japan today took vacant Alor just north of Timor. This TF could be involved in a next move on Timor. The island has been neglected for the most part.

3) At Soerbaja and Rangoon Allied CAP pushes back on raids, doing pretty well. In addition Allied proactive AF strikes are starting to bite, taking out grounded planes and making holes at Kendari and Rangoon itself. The hapless Wellingtons, usualy meat for the Zeros, take their hits and a couple get through at Rangoon. The animation said six planes destroyed and five damaged, but the combat report is lighter. Regardless, Rangoon is no longer just an outgoing base for large 2E troop attacks. After the Wellingtons wore out the CAP the Forts from Calcutta visited as well.

PBang has a normal day for it. I misspoke yesterday on remaining damage. It is 65% and repairing except on the worst days at about 15% a day. But Forts won't build this week.

4) Despite fat targets at Truk I stood Rabaul down to rest. Another 50% av support is coming into Rabaul, and I am saving PPs to buy out another Aussie brigade of regulars currently at Perth. All over the western side I need more engineers.

5) Still no signs of movement on PBang or Soerbaja. Lahat is bombed daily by the same sad unit of Lillys; no damage is ever done. Forts there almost to 2 with the East Africans still the lone defenders.

July moves along. Looking forward to some P-38s and the start of the P-40Ks real soon.

No Night Bombing Today

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I've noticed that sometimes AVs are misidentified as CSs, but you are correct in that it is more likely to be CVs...

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Just Another Day

The moves back to Pearl continue, some action at Eniwetok, bombing on the usual suspects, but overall just an "in progress" day for the Allies.

1) Some sub action. Don't know if it's roils or ASW upgrades, but light ASW forces hurt several USN subs. Subs are thick in the Marshalls and around Truk, and so is ASW. Pollack takes three hits, two penetrating. Could be in trouble. Sealion sinks PB Shonon Maru #15 near Truk, and has two herself. Tuna, also near Truk, is worked over by fleet DDs but escapes. Herring blows up yet another barge at Kwaj. If there's consolation it's that every ASW hunter-killer TF is burning fuel.

2) It appears Japan will seek to deny Eniwetok any air cover, then do whatever they like. Sweeps work on the CAP successfully, and strikes sink a burning DD Jarvis (55 Fires last turn), and heavily damage the AVD there supporting the Cats. I think I will withdraw what I can and let the ground guys continue to dig. There are two Seabee units on Eniwetok building only Forts, and supplies are about 35,000. When the time comes I can Pick-up to Wake with the Cats.

3) Bombing returns to PBang in great numbers again, and AA does its thing. The Forts at Lahat go to 2 today. Still no sign of anything coming from Benk.

4) Rangoon LRCAP battles bomber strikes and does well, downing multiple planes and forcing over 20 Nells to turn back. Troops losses are sustainable for awhile at this rate. The Big Stack moves to about a day from Lashio. When it reaches Toungoo and shifts to Combat mode I expect the weight of bombing to move to it as it comes for Pegu. The Aussie 7th Div. reached the road hex north of Rangoon and began moving to join the stack there. When it does I may try a probe Deliberate to test supply and leaders.

Typical attack on Rangoon today:

Morning Air attack on 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment, at 54,53 (Rangoon)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26
G3M3 Nell x 29
G4M1 Betty x 3

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 2
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2
Mohawk IV x 2
P-38E Lightning x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Mohawk IV: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

5) Bombing at Chungking has picked up lately and continues today, met by a few Chinese biplanes. I had hoped to meet unescorted bombers, but no such luck. Chungking is down to about 5000 supply since so many refugee corps have arrived and needed internal supply loaded.

6) Allies mostly rest their air forces today. Port attack at Alor north of Timor finds no ships. A very long range attack on Sabang from Port Blair costs two Hudsons and misses an ASW force. B-17s hit Balikpapan by day and do 3 Oil hits for one plane lost.

7) 60 PPS disappear as one RN carrier is now officially overdue for withdrawal. Those Stringbag pilots will have to drink quickly when they hit Colombo.

Night Bombing

Night Air attack on Bandjermasin , at 60,99

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-26 Marauder x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-26 Marauder: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 7
Fires 3690

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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A New Era

Today I begin a second PBEM game. My opponent will be Lokasenna. I do not plan an AAR on that one, both due to time as well as to be able to move without public examination. I have told Mike I will continue our game just as before, including daily diary posts here. Mike and Cliff's schedules are somewhat different, so where I have gaps in turns due to Mike's compressed week I should have a turn to do from Cliff. I am a bit hesitant to begin all over again on the pain which is 1942, but it must be done to arrive at the fine fields of 1943.

This turn from Mike was done from sickbay. Apparently American men are able play although sick with the flu. Man flu?

At first it was feared Mike had ague, or perhaps the marthambles. But no, only the grippe.

An aside: marthambles is my very favorite old-time disease. Formerly it was scrofula, but "the marth" has surpassed it. The best part is that marthambles is a wholly fictional disease! From elsewhere on the Internets:

"An interview with Patrick O'Brian published in The Patrick O'Brian Newsletter (volume 3, issue 1, March 1994) contains this Q & A:

Q. Please explain the meaning of the term "marthambles," the sailors' disease that Dr. Maturin is often concerned with aboard ship. I have looked in many dictionaries and medical texts for such a term.

A. Marthambles is a very fine word that I found in a quack's pamphlet of the late 17th or early 18th century advising a nostrum that would cure not only "the strong fires" and a whole variety of more obvious diseases but the marthambles too. I have never seen it anywhere else and it has escaped the OED.

Certainly the word marthambles is missing from the OED and from other standard lexicographical sources that I've checked. The glossary at the O'Brian fan site Maturin's Medicine has

marthambles (DI 123, RM 164, NC 132, 149, WDS 130, YA 226):

An unspecified illness, "known as the marthambles at sea and griping of the guts by land" [NC]. Patrick O'Brian is said to have seen the word on a pamphlet of the era by the quack doctor, Dr Tufts. It appears to be contagious and deadly to Pacific islanders.

If the given list of citations is correct, then O'Brian's earliest use was the one on p. 123 of Desolation Island, which was published in 1978:

'Of course he'll live,' said his messmates. 'Ain't the doctor pumped him dry, and blown out his gaff with physic?' For it was just as much part of the natural order of things that Dr. Maturin should preserve those who came under his hands; he was a physician, not one of your common surgeons -- had cured Prince Billy of the marthambles, the larynx, the strong fives -- had wormed Admiral Keith and had clapped a stopper over his gout -- would not look at you under a guinea, five guineas, ten guineas, a head, by land.'""

More at http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000503.html

Here is the turn. As readers may have suspected, pretty unremarkable.

1) MK14s continue to limp along, sometimes getting a hit. This xAK was smoking and steaming alone, retreating. It sinks with non-combat men aboard.

Submarine attack near Dadjangas at 79,95

Japanese Ships
xAK Okuyo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Saury

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

2) USN subs sink three more barges between Kwaj and Roi-Namur.

3) SS Skipjack attacks and misses a DD/TK duo near Eniwetok. Interesting that Japan is bringing fuel east, presumably to Kwaj. This indicates to me Mike sees the battle as over for now and won by Japan. I assume subs will continue to operate from here at a minimum.

4) Very strong sweeps and bombing of PBang, but still no sight of moving troops.

5) Multiple sweeps and attacks on Eniwetok port find empty sky and ramps. All aircraft have been withdrawn. The last scraps of two unloading supply TFs are present, then the base will be buttoned down. AV is very slight, but forts are working toward 4. We shall see.

6) Big air battles continue over Rangoon. In one 3 attackers are destroyed and 11 damaged for 21 casualties on the ground. Many local forts in the stack are at 2. At Lashio the Big Stack begins Strat conversion for move to Toungoo. Three to pack, three to move, three to unload, then the march on Pegu. Two weeks in all?

7) Soerbaja sweeps look to be mostly Zeros from Balikpapan, leaving that base bare a second day. Six B-17s hit Oil for one point.

8) One LCU, presumably a division, is seen heading toward Tavoy. That plug is tenuous at best. B-26s from Port Blair attack, cause 15 casualties, and presumably mode knock. Tavoy doesn't have to hold long, but the two weeks needed by the Big Stack would be nice. Any supply that can be denied Pegu/Rangoon is helpful.

9) The SNAGGLEPUSS refugees move closer to Pearl. Evidence subs are in the route with Glens. No attacks. Some cripples will need to be forwarded on to the WC. Five days ago I tried to get Warspite out of the way to make room. She was System 0, Flooding at 70. Withdraws in the spring, but in Pearl shipyard she not only eats up a huge capacity chunk, she only fixes a point a week or so. (Reference my comments in the current repair thread about "repair density.") Placed my hopes on System=0 and sent her off with 2 DD escort. Two days out flooding shot to 89. Spun, and she's headed back at 1 knot. If she sinks it's VPs, but unless I can get the flooding under 50 she can't make the WC and withdraw either. And I don't have yard space at Pearl for her for months to come.

10) Important construction:

--Cocos Islands expands fortifications to size 5

--Ramree Island expands airfield to size 4

Night Bombing

--ordered air field strikes on Rangoon from Toungoo do not launch

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Caught the PBEM bug huh


Yeah.

Want to do some things differently this time.

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And Again . . .

Working on the turn-from-hell first day in the other game, so this will be short. Not much happened. Getting to be normal, but OK after the mania of the last weeks. Mike assures me this is the calm before the Big Kahuna of storms. We shall see, little Japanese man! (I actually don't know what Mike looks like. Probably a Hell's Angel.)

1) Three sub attacks on four fat AOs unloading at Kwaj. Three duds. But with the TK I saw heading in, if it was one, that's a lot of forward fuel. Hmmm. A Pearl raid? One attacker is poor, old Pollack. Penetrating hit plus some gravy. Headed home.

2) Some kind of troops begin landing at Wewak, the only north NG base not taken back in SNAGGLEPUSS. Will need to visit with a gift basket from Rabaul. Speaking of that place, the B-17s don't fly for a second day. I think Truk needs a higher D/L before they'll venture. The AF at Rabaul is about half way to 5.

3) Attrition continues on Eniwetok. Twelve Nells attack port, but do no damage. Also some just-checking sweeps. A DD at Wake succumbs to fire. System goes to 100 damage and she's down. DD Jarvis I think, but the FOW is intense. My radiomen on Wake are all drunk. I think that completes all the fired ships from the recent battles. And by completes I mean I lost them all. Don't think I mentioned I scuttled CVE Long Island three days ago due to fires. The planes are at Wake.

4) PBang same-o same-o.

5) Rangoon has lots of bombing. I try to hit the AF three times with very small bomber raids, but don't get through in daytime and lose three 4Es. B-26s see a couple of xAKs unloading, supply presumably, and bomb unsuccessfully. I never saw them come in. A port that big can suck them dry overnight. Good news is he needs supply enough to sneak. The B-26 mission folder just changed. Other B-26s from Pt. Blair hit the marching LCU headed for Tavoy. It is IDed as 19th Ind. Mixed Brigade. Better than I feared.

6) Looks like the Big Stack may be to Pegu sooner than I thought. It's only a 2-day strat load and unload, and the distance might only be two days.


Night Bombing
--AF raid on Rangoon from Toungoo does not fly again.

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Can't say. I told Cliff he's free to keep reading here.

(whisper) But it involves jets. (/whisper)

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Moose,

I think by now you would have realized that an AAR is too good of a game day-book to pass up. You must do an AAR for the new game.



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quote:

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Like what. I want to know


Don't we all

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Moose,

I think by now you would have realized that an AAR is too good of a game day-book to pass up. You must do an AAR for the new game.




But then I have to do one too! I'm still on the fence.



On topic, I think the IJ delay in getting things regrouped for "the storm" is going to cost him dearly.

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quote:

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Don't we all

quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Moose,

I think by now you would have realized that an AAR is too good of a game day-book to pass up. You must do an AAR for the new game.




But then I have to do one too! I'm still on the fence.



On topic, I think the IJ delay in getting things regrouped for "the storm" is going to cost him dearly.


Here's my AAR:

"December 7, 1941: All is calm. Sunday morning and the coffee is hot, burning away the memory of fourteen Mai Tais. Wait, what's that noise . . .?"

"January 1, 1943: Nurse? Nurse? How long have I been out?"

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This turn from Mike was done from sickbay. Apparently American men are able play although sick with the flu. Man flu?


If Mike had the Swedish flu he would be sending you the turn from the hospital. The Swedish flu is fourteen to fifteen times more potent than the "girl flu" you get over in the states.

Scientifically proven.


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This turn from Mike was done from sickbay. Apparently American men are able play although sick with the flu. Man flu?


If Mike had the Swedish flu he would be sending you the turn from the hospital. The Swedish flu is fourteen to fifteen times more potent than the "girl flu" you get over in the states.

Scientifically proven.




Let's count Swedish Nobel Prize winners and American.

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Like what. I want to know


Don't we all

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

Moose,

I think by now you would have realized that an AAR is too good of a game day-book to pass up. You must do an AAR for the new game.




But then I have to do one too! I'm still on the fence.



On topic, I think the IJ delay in getting things regrouped for "the storm" is going to cost him dearly.


Here's my AAR:

"December 7, 1941: All is calm. Sunday morning and the coffee is hot, burning away the memory of fourteen Mai Tais. Wait, what's that noise . . .?"

"January 1, 1943: Nurse? Nurse? How long have I been out?"

Wow! What are you guys playing, one-year turns??!

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DOCUP

Like what. I want to know


Don't we all

quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Moose,

I think by now you would have realized that an AAR is too good of a game day-book to pass up. You must do an AAR for the new game.




But then I have to do one too! I'm still on the fence.



On topic, I think the IJ delay in getting things regrouped for "the storm" is going to cost him dearly.


Here's my AAR:

"December 7, 1941: All is calm. Sunday morning and the coffee is hot, burning away the memory of fourteen Mai Tais. Wait, what's that noise . . .?"

"January 1, 1943: Nurse? Nurse? How long have I been out?"

Wow! What are you guys playing, one-year turns??!


If only . . .

1942 is root canal.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


quote:

ORIGINAL: DOCUP

Like what. I want to know


Don't we all

quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Moose,

I think by now you would have realized that an AAR is too good of a game day-book to pass up. You must do an AAR for the new game.




But then I have to do one too! I'm still on the fence.



On topic, I think the IJ delay in getting things regrouped for "the storm" is going to cost him dearly.


Here's my AAR:

"December 7, 1941: All is calm. Sunday morning and the coffee is hot, burning away the memory of fourteen Mai Tais. Wait, what's that noise . . .?"

"January 1, 1943: Nurse? Nurse? How long have I been out?"

Wow! What are you guys playing, one-year turns??!


If only . . .

1942 is root canal.


I just had one of those...

It hurt worse afterwards, not before or during.

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