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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/26/2013 3:39:19 PM   
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Your Fortress Singapore is going to do the same thing in your game that my Fortress Palembang did in my game vs. Chez.  I'm afraid the Japanese player is going to lose hope sooner rather than later.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/26/2013 4:16:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Your Fortress Singapore is going to do the same thing in your game that my Fortress Palembang did in my game vs. Chez.  I'm afraid the Japanese player is going to lose hope sooner rather than later.


I hope not, and Mike hasn't given any hints he's thinking that way. But time does march on.

The thing is, it's not really a fortress. The AV and the LCU type distribution is weak. Yes, I have supply at this late date and forts have see-sawed. But it is well within his power to take the base now. It's not a Palembang situation where the river makes a frontal assault difficult or impossible. He has thirtyish LCUs in Singers' hex. He has 7-12 more at JB. He has a very large stack including excellent engineers sitting at Clark doing nothing but perhaps prepping for a Bataan which has no supply. Singers could be taken now by two Shock attacks. It would cost Japan 5000-9000 KIA I estimate. Tough medicine, but it opens up the game and gives Japan a chance to get working on Sumatra and Java. But he continues to place his faith in continuous bombing. I think many JFBs do this in the early game, convinced that just because they have bomber numbers they have bomber results. (In truth, Japan has some really crap bombers.) I posted the Tracker so that when Mike reads this someday he can see what went down and adjust his land strategy in his next game. I hope his AAR will have similar learning opportunities for me.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/26/2013 4:27:55 PM   
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Yeah, I know Singers shouldn't hold much longer, but the fact that it is holding this long, not to mention all the other places, is really, really bad stuff for the Evil Empire.  He might be getting enough positive reinforcement in China, but other than that, where's he going to draw satisfation from?  He's getting killed.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/26/2013 4:51:58 PM   
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quote:

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Yeah, I know Singers shouldn't hold much longer, but the fact that it is holding this long, not to mention all the other places, is really, really bad stuff for the Evil Empire.  He might be getting enough positive reinforcement in China, but other than that, where's he going to draw satisfation from?  He's getting killed.


This may be true to an extent, but let me also say this--Mike is a very self-actualized guy. He's a man, not a boy in maturity terms, and that's not always the case in AARed games. When we were corresponding before the game he put forth his view that Japan, especially in naval terms, has to be nearly perfect just to be good enough, and there's a lot of truth in that. I don't think he's looking for an auto-victory, but he pays attention to VPs. He's making me come to him and win, which is pretty close to what I asked for in the game set up. I think he's been surprised by a few of the things he's seen, but he played Nemo back in the day, and I haven't done anything radical. Other than evacuating China I've been very cautious too. That's going to change at some point, but you won't see me invading the Marshalls in the next ninety days.

In short, I "think" he's enjoying the game so far. The no-HR set-up hasn't led to any beefs or any behavior either of us dislikes. I think he's seen things, like sub ops, in a way he hasn't before and he likes learning just as I do. (Everything has been learning for me in a first PBEM.)

His AAR doesn't get a lot of comments. I don't know why that is; maybe because it's not updated every turn like this one. If anyone is reading both and thinks they have good advice for him in the short-run and wants to post it let me say here I don't mind. I have confidence that forumites could suggest actions he could consider without saying "the Moose has carriers at x,y."

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/26/2013 5:44:13 PM   
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Its always hazardous to make assumptions about another player's game/play style/motivation based on one's own opponents/play style/motivations.

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I have learned a lot from this AAR as well as Mr. 1EyedJacks as well.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/26/2013 7:49:30 PM   
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It might be hazardous, but basing observations on experience is usually a valid way to make observations.  I based mine both on a number of games (including my own) plus a prior game played by One-Eyed-Jacks that ended early.  I might be wrong, but all of these suggest to me an early ending to this game.  How early?  I dunno how much of a glutton for punishment One-Eyed is, but I'll personally be surprised if this game is still going in 1943.  If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.  (And I am alot, which is why I neither gamble or claim to be a prophet.)

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/27/2013 2:03:01 AM   
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hi Moose,

i've been lurking both sides of this AAR, i'm interested b/c there's no HR & it's your 1st PBEM.

As an Allied-vs.-AI-only player, i'd like to know your take on the difference in the air-war between the AI & a human opponent.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/27/2013 1:31:48 PM   
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hi Moose,

i've been lurking both sides of this AAR, i'm interested b/c there's no HR & it's your 1st PBEM.

As an Allied-vs.-AI-only player, i'd like to know your take on the difference in the air-war between the AI & a human opponent.


There are differences in focus, but overall the intensity is similar. As you know the AI gets a lot of extra planes, so raid sizes are perhaps a little bigger. It seems to build and use the Oscar more than Mike does, at least so far. In an AI game by now I would always start to see large and growing bombing raids in Burma led by Oscars. By late 1942 these could be 150 planes against my depleted six RAF on CAP. The AI also focuses a lot on Bettys with torpedoes out in the islands. I'm always ready for that, but the events at Singers and Palembang have kept most of the heavier bombers there. The AI does very limited troop bombing in China in my experience. Mike does it every day.

In this PBEM there have been a great many more sweeps than I'm used to. If a base is going to be bombed it gets at least one sweep the same day and often two. These have been mostly Zeroes, and I don't have a Zero-killer yet. The CAP over the PI was gone in a week, and at Singers in 2-3. Pools gone. I've had to rely on AA a lot more, and that hasn't been all bad. Mike is better than the AI in stacking altitudes optimally. He doesn't always do missions at the same altitude day after day. When I moved my CAP up to 27,000 to get bombers at 10,000, the next day his sweep was at 30,000. His raids are more cohesive by models; I think he uses altitude to force that in the planning. The AI sends raids with lots of planes, but also every piece of junk it can throw. Mike has confined the light bombers like Lilys and most of the Anns to China and not gotten them mixed up in Malaysia. Recently he began using Marys at Singers, but for the most part he has not. China has given him lots of training opportunity for bomber pilots.

It's too early to see what he's doing with the ahistorical R&D setting we agreed to. Pretty soon, but so far I've seen the models you'd expect.

I'm slightly ahead in aircraft VPs right now. About 100 I think. This is mostly due to attrition at Singers. If that base had followed a more traditional course he'd be up several hundred at least. I've also done more strat bombing than I would against the AI, but have not lost many 4Es yet.

Finally, I see Mavis ops losses as very high. I don't know if that's troop transport or the effects of max range naval search at Johnson and the other taken islands.

Overall the air war is harder, but it's not that different if that makes sense. Will probably get harder as the numbers and models expand, and the geographies are more complicated.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/27/2013 1:45:48 PM   
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Bad Day on Big E

1) UNDERDOG presses on. The TF near Palmyra has disappeared from all sensors. It may have actually been a mine-laying TF sent with the assumption Palmyra is next. Regardless, it's gone from Cat and sub screens.

The APDs unloaded their base force frag, but none of it was aviation guys so the Cats stay at Canton for now. Ordered the rest of the ships to come in and unload. Left the supply TF orbiting. The frag did have several dozen naval supply points in it, so that will help unload.

Routed the damaged AO to Pearl rather than San Diego. Get constant reports of subs near Hilo, but the flooding is bad enough I don't want that long trip. A trade off.

Had a bombardmant group headed to Palmyra. When I saw the mine layers I doglegged it east and ordered it to find the carriers and follow. The carriers I put well east of Christmas, moved the air wing to offensive stance, and sat with several DDs waiting for the BBs to join. Bad move. I-boat found it and put a torpedo into Enterprise. One of four, so small favors. Critical engine damage, but no explosions. Will see how bad, but this changes UNDERDOG and raises risk to unloading TFs. Will shift Yorktown back to ASW and head for the WC. Recon and AF strike on Palmyra is off the table. Lex and Sara still need about two weeks to finish their upgrade. Hornet is at San Diego.





2) Bombing at Singers and Palembang lets up markedly. CAP at Palembang downs a Betty and damages another for no ground damage or same to CAP. An Oscar sweep kills one attacker and one defender.

3) I-157 sinks the supply xAKL Sipora on the inbound leg to Singers. One APD repaired and returned to Palembang to resume Fast Transport, but for now Singers is on a net deficit so long as fort building is in progress.

4) Four strafing runs on 55th Cav. in Burma, followed by a Chinese attack which goes well.

Ground combat at 55,46 (near Akyab)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9704 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 385

Defending force 567 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 22

Allied adjusted assault: 168

Japanese adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 24 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
156 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

5) B-17s bomb Miri Oil for 1 hit.

6) Additional bombing at Lanchow, Bataan, Tsuyung does minor damage.

7) Sea of Japan attack by USS Snapper on xAK Nissan Maru heading to HI dealership with load of 3-wheel sedans. Duds. Come on radar!

8) Perth AF goes to 7. Pearl Harbor Forts go to 6.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/27/2013 3:50:55 PM   
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Opened the next turn. 'E' damage is 10 sys, 30 float(24 major), 30 engne(21 major), 0 fires.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/27/2013 3:58:09 PM   
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She will survive if not hit again and spend 20-30 days at PH. Just a guess from my experience.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/27/2013 6:24:14 PM   
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She will survive if not hit again and spend 20-30 days at PH. Just a guess from my experience.


Should make it unless there's a collision or a random fuel explosion. I severely reshuffled TFs, escorts, ASW, air wings, etc. on the turn. Will talk about it next day-post. Not sure where E is going. Pearl yard is full of BB I'm trying to fix enough to get out of town. Might go for a patch job and then WC for heavy flooding work.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 2/28/2013 2:08:49 PM   
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One Tin Soldier Rides Away

This was the title of Mike's movie e-mail and refers to the famous US anti-war song written in the 1960s and made famous in the early 1970s by its inclusion in that famous movie, "Billy Jack" (you had to be there, kids):

http://www.scoutsongs.com/lyrics/onetinsoldier.html

"Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You can justify it in the end.
There won't be any trumpets blowing
Come the judgement day,
On the bloody morning after....
One tin soldier rides away."

His reference was to the 55th Cav, the only good thing that happened for the Allies on this long day of war.

1) First, a more humorous note showing the "power" of Allied intel to shift the fortunes of war overnight. I'm going to get right on this one: "2/44th Field AA Battalion is loaded on a Daigen Cargo class xAKL moving to Miri."

Well! Alrighty then!!

2) IJN subs drive me crazy sometimes, especially early on. At Christmas Island the Allies had a solid datum yesterday on the sub which smacked the Big E. At the island I had six empty APDs with ASW ratings of 6. I formed three ASW TFs and sent one right over the base course of the sub and the other two north and south to bracket it as it came west. Well, it went right under all six and into Christmas I. harbor where it proceeded to mess me up:

Submarine attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SS I-168

Allied Ships
AO Sabine, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage (sinks)

Submarine attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SS I-168

Allied Ships
AP President Polk, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage (good chance will sink)

The APDs made it back in time to scare old I-168 off later in the day:

ASW attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SS I-168

Allied Ships
AK Bellatrix

SS I-168 is sighted by escort
I-168 bottoming out ....
Sub escapes detection


Counting torpedoes there's a medium chance these two attacks emptied the I-168 racks.

More submarine fun off the Canadian coast:

Submarine attack near Tillamook at 210,58

Japanese Ships
SS I-1

Allied Ships
xAK Walter Luckenbach, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage (sinks)

The mighty USN Silent Service responds with attacks off Truk (misses), and Sapporo on a DD (misses). But knowing 2-DD ASW TFs are now in the Sea of Japan makes me happy. Stay home!

3) Air tactics at Palembang shift again with three strong high-altitude sweeps. The Allies can't compete with 30,000 and 31,000 feet. Two Zeroes are downed. The Allies lose eight fighters of various models. There is no bombing.

4) Singers has no AF bombing either. A large force of 41 Oscars comes low to strafe and bomb the MLs, sinking two. Wait a minute! I thought strafing didn't work in AE!

Six more mostly small merchants are detailed from Cocos to go in to Palembang to take their turn in the barrel. Palembang has now sucked up enough supply from the pool run in to Oosthaven from CT to rebuild supply from 47,000 back to the mid-70,000s.

5) Japan tries a low-altitude troop bombing at Chungking into the face of all of China's AA plus a non-effective small CAP. Forts here are about half way to 8:

Morning Air attack on 14th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 15

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 2 damaged
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed by flak

Also bombed, Tsuyung, which loses some supply (it has about 120 on hand) while it builds forts from 1 to 2. This southern bastion has a heavy garrison now that all refugees from the south are accounted for. It will need supply if it is to withstand a siege, however, and not much passes Lashio, which is itself trying to build a pile. Paoshan has only 40 on hand. Ledo will pretty soon kick in with some new transports, but not this week or month.

6) Of note, air ASW seen off the southern HI is flown today by Mavises. (Also Helens) Perhpas this is the source of some of the high Mavis ops losses.

7) Yesterday's attack on the 55th Cav near Akyab gave the Allies excellent intel on the make-up and status of the unit. The Chinese corps was at 33 fatigue BEFORE that battle, but the weakness of the 55th is too much to ignore. China orders a Shock atack. But Japan, perhaps in a banzai spirit, does the same first:

Ground combat at 55,46 (near Akyab)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 457 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Defending force 9665 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 380

Japanese adjusted assault: 0

Allied adjusted defense: 227

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 99

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
284 casualties reported
Squads: 34 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

The Chinese deliver the coup de grace:

Ground combat at 55,46 (near Akyab)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 9665 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 380

Defending force 120 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 147

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 147 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
120 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
79th Chinese Corps

Defending units:
55th Cavalry Regiment

8) After building every day since 12/8/41, Dutch Harbor AF goes to 1. Winter is over, planes are on the water half way there, and growth will now accelerate. This is probably the toughest Allied base to get a foothold. Nice to finally get some eyes up there.

9) UNDERDOG TFs unload at Christmas I. in steady stream. USS Enterprise Escort TF is upgraded with extra DDs, the Yorktown Air TF is put in Follow along with the BBs and cruisers of the ex-Bombardment mission, all float palnes plus the Yorktown's SBDs are on ASW watch, and the whole parade heads to port. With the loss of the ships in harbor to subs this has been an expensive operation.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 3/1/2013 1:54:12 PM   
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Mike has a week of work-related travel where he will pass through his home a couple of times. We may get 1-2 turns in, or we may get no turns in. Should be back on the air next Sunday, March 10.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 3/2/2013 6:30:33 PM   
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Bombs Away

Showing what a great opponent he is, Mike got a turn turned around on a day of travel. Movie arrived late at night. Don't know when next will be, but this was a nice surprise.

The turn was sort of a snoozer. Don't know if that was because he was pressed for time. One disturbing code-related thing for me. Hope it's nothing, but it might be troublesome.

1) Very aggressive sweeping at Palembang. Zeroes at 31,000 and Oscars at 35,000. I have nothing which can combat either. Some day . . . The Allies managed to get up a motley crew of four different models and nationalities to fight the Zeroes and got a 2:1 against loss ratio. (2:4 lost) The 19 Oscars barreled in full of sound and fury and accomplished nothing. No losses either side. A final 36 Zero sweep got another P-40. P-40 pools are running about 15 each since the withdrawls and the slight March up-tick in production. Every month things get a little better in fighter-land.

There is no bombing at Palembang; it is all at Singers. I'm not sure this is a good strategic decision, although it makes sense tactically to shoot down inferior fighters where they live, and that's Palembang. But longer term Palembang is a bigger economic and strategic gotta-have for Japan than even Singers, and there additional forts really make a difference given heavy BB bombardment isn't possible and that troops have to approach overland in most cases from an Oosthaven landing and then fight their way to the gates of the city. Singers can be taken by main force right now. It's about 1/3 of the way back to Forts 4, but even then it can be taken by LCUs which can easily mass. Palembang is about 40% to Forts 4 and that matters more there. Directing bombers onto Palembang would give better long-term returns IMO. And pulling all multi-engine out of the PI would make even more sense, at least until Singers and Palembang are handled. Splitting the air effort three ways is helping me.

2) Singers gets the bombers, moslty well-escorted even though the CAP was pulled back to Palembang. Oscars strafe the MLs, losing one of their number and slightly damaging two boats with shell hits. Singers gets 23 Sallys (8 D, 2 Lost), 49 Bettys (24 D, 1 Lost), 46 Sallys (10 D), 12 Bettys (13 D--FOW?), 3 Bettys (1 D, 1 Lost). Escorts include Nates as well as modern planes. Overall damage is very moderate and can be repaired in one turn I think. The AA really seems to disrupt aiming.

3) Chungking is bombed twice, and a small CAP opposes. The Chinese AA is nothing like Singers', and the 10,000 foot bombing is not very effective. I should look at the device stats on the guns. I'm not familiar with max altitude for China's.

4) South of Kobe USS Cuttlefish is running a pure E-W barrier patrol about seven hexes long. A 3SC/1 PB ASW TF attacks her three times, missing. Good intel. Mavises again do ASW attacks. A 4E ASW paltform seems like overkill to me when a player has to buy engines with fuel/HI. But I don't mind.

5) B-17s sweep aside Zeroes and Tojos and bomb Balikpapan for 1 Oil hit. No losses.

6) In Burma escorted Blenheims hit Toungoo seeking to disrupt recovery of the 11-stack retreated there. No good results, but no real AA, and only 4 Zeroes on CAP. Intel is recieved from Chiang Mai that at least two airbase engineer units are at work there. I have set three Chinese corps on prep for this base. They are now south of Lashio and in fair TOE shape. I think a thrust south toward this air base will take pressure off the Mandalay group in the short run, and allow more time to solidify the Burma coast south from Chittagong. Longer term, this summer probably, I hope to march on Prome. I have also sent a lone Indian unit toward Ramree Island, which is red but an unoccupied dot. Recon continues to show Rangoon completely unoccupied. Units from Toungoo could fall back, putting Japan essentially back where they were six weeks ago, but right now Rangoon is very exposed.

7) Landings begin at Manokwari in far NW NG. I beleive this is an eveloping maneuver to establish solid air superiority over Babo and Boela before landing there to access the petroleum. I have Force Z locked and cocked to the south near the southern coast of NG, but my replenishment group is flat and I can't linger more than 3-4 days. If the air picture solidifies in the triangle formed by Manokwari, Ambon, and the two B-bases I will withdraw Z back to the west. POW still has not done her January upgrade and I don't want her facing Bettys unless the stakes are much higher.

8) Disconcerting code issue I need to examine next turn. Enterprise TF auto-shifted to Escort last turn and headed for Pearl, with a homeport of San Diego. Fine. I added an APD for extra ASW this turn, and shifted the homeport to Pearl as well. This replay I got this message in aoperationsreport.txt: "TF 115 designated as Escort and ordered to return to Christmas Island." I don't want this to happen. Enterprise is not badly damaged. Ships need to go where the $%*@ the CINC tells them to go.

Added pressure, I also got this line in the same report: "PBY-5 Catalina sighting report: 9 Japanese ships at 169,113 near Johnston Island, speed 19, Moving Southeast" Could be a sub. Could be the KB. Plenty of time for it to have come from Truk, stopped at Johnson for fuel, and headed down to feast on un-CAPPED landing TFs. Which is all well and good and completely fair. But I don't need a lightly-damaged carrier welded to the pier--if there were a pier at Christmas, which there ain't.

Any advice on how to get ships with a mind of their own to go where they're told?

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Annoying problem with the E! Perhaps post a save to michaelm and see if he can take a look at it?

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Annoying problem with the E! Perhaps post a save to michaelm and see if he can take a look at it?


I want to see the next turn and see what's really going on. It's possible that adding in the APD made the code hiccup; the TF was already an Escort and didn't newly change to one this turn.

Still, other players have reported this phenom around Darwin I believe, when the homeport was distant. They had to "walk" the damaged ship where they wanted by incrementally changing the homeport every day. My problem here, if that's the case, is I don't have a closer homeport to use. And Big E is only at 10 Sys and 29 Float damage. She should easily make Pearl if allowed to try.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 3/3/2013 8:05:10 AM   
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Have you tried putting the threat tolerance to "Absolute"?

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Have you tried putting the threat tolerance to "Absolute"?


No, but there were no enemy sightings last turn in any kind of relevant range either.

Regardless, it was a false alarm. Mike got me a turn very late Saturday night (after a speed run home from his first trip; this is a great man ), and my brief look at the file shows the Enterprise Escort TF on the way to Pearl, with a Pearl homeport, at Cruise speed. I suspect that adding the new APD into the TF after Escort status had been auto-generated made the code burp and look for the nearest friendly base. Then my orders superceeded this and it changed course to Pearl after checking the damage levels and seeing they weren't terrible.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 3/4/2013 1:26:33 AM   
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Really Bad Timing


1) Well, poo. Figuring that the amphib bonus was about to expire for him and NG (far, far, NW NG) is becoming a Japanese province, the Allies decided to move the two large chunks of the Port Moresby defense unit from NE OZ across the water to recombine. No IJN assets have been seen south of Milne Bay except one sub usually around Sydney. The chunks were loaded in three unescorted or low-escorted single-transport TFs for the jump across. Search assets at PM are looking north and NW at Rabaul and Hollandia. Out of nowhere comes this:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 96,134, Range 24,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CL Kitakami
CL Oi
DD Shirayuki
DD Yugiri

Allied Ships
AM Bunbury, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
xAKL Patris, Shell hits 33, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
208 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

And then this:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 96,134, Range 25,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CL Kitakami
CL Oi
DD Shirayuki
DD Yugiri

Allied Ships
xAK Johanne Justesen, Shell hits 20, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
639 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

I don't know where the third chunk went. Might still be in port.

There are only a handful of warships on Australia's east coast, at Sydney and Brisbane. Some cruisers and a couple of destroyers.

What was this? A raid? A lead force for a landing on NG? A landing on Oz? Don't know.

2) B-17s hitting the Oil at Tarakan fight off Nicks, I think the first sighting of this plane. No Oil hits. One B-17 fails to return to base.

3) Lots of sub and ASW action. Dutch O-boat avoids attack from 4-DD TF in northern Makassar Strait. Not sure this is an ASW TF. Could be a heavily-escorted tanker group desperate to get some fuel home. Or it could be a combat TF with the balance unseen, coming south to begin to address Java. Or something else.

Many other sub attacks by both sides all over the oceans: Truk, Sea of Japan, Balikpapan, off San Francisco, NE of Palembang. No hits.

4) Very intense bombing at Singers. Light damage, many destroyed and damaged bombers. Oscars attack MLs again and damage one in exchange for destroyed Oscar. (An ML is worth 1 VP.) Japan continues to work on the CAP at Palembang, but every turn just enough gets up to be annoying. Oosthaven is turning out to be a good fighter R&R base.

5) Lots of probing bombing in China on the "new frontier" bases: Kienko, Tsuyung. Paoshan is being lightly supplied by air from Ledo, and is building forts in spurts, but Tsuyung is at zero and won't get any help until the pipeline behind it is filled. And that's months away. This base might be just a speedbump. But Paoshun should put up a fight and Lashio is headed for Forts 5 and has 10,000 supply and about 1500 AV, plus mountains. It will be a challenge for Japan if they come.

6) UNDERDOG TFs work north for Pearl slowly. Enterprise fixes some damage en route. Three APD ASW groups are at Christmas Island and three TFs are unloading the base force and more supplies and fuel. A small minesweeper TF is heading for Palmyra to see what's there. Johnson continues to show only two subs, a smallish garrison, and fighters. Invasion forces for Palmyra and Johnson are on the way to Hawaii.

7) Japan takes vacant Manokwari ( 1st Indpt SNLF Co) and Palopo (61st Naval Guard Unit.)

8) Mandalay goes to Forts 4. Diego Garcia gets an AF 1. Madras a 7 and more planes to watch the sea lanes between Colombo and Rangoon. Intel reports that CVL Zuiho did not sink several months ago. (What a shocker!) Akagi has shown as sunk since mid-January, so any day now the VPs will do a big burp Japan's way when it shows up with fresh paint.

< Message edited by Bullwinkle58 -- 3/4/2013 1:30:43 AM >


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Server ate my post and I ain't re-typing it.

Stuff happened.

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Admirably concise.  Would you like us to disregard your post?

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Good stuff or bad stuff ? (or both?)

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Good stuff or bad stuff ? (or both?)

Obviously you have not studied the great philosopher, George Carlin. All stuff is junk to someone else, and vice versa.

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Moose - please pardon the interupption:

catwhoorg - ever getting back to Origins or is the family life and running taking up too much time? We miss you and your humor!

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Admirably concise.  Would you like us to disregard your post?


I don't have that kind of space here.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 3/6/2013 9:59:54 PM   
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Good stuff or bad stuff ? (or both?)


I was pretty peeved before.

In summary, I saw a flght of 37 Oscars score 40 (yes, ladies and germs, 40) bomb hits on one xAKL at Singers. It sank, remarkably.
Supply at Singers 12,200. Forts at 3 + 42%.
A movement dot seen at Clark aimed at Bataan.
Hollandia landings begin.
Moved Force Z a bit toward Horn Island in case the cruisers are a precursor to Port Moresby.
Swept mines at Palmyra. DMSes seen by torpedo bomber. Might be KB, might be FOW.
Wounded AO made Pearl. Rest of UNDERDOG moving north.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

quote:

ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

Good stuff or bad stuff ? (or both?)

Obviously you have not studied the great philosopher, George Carlin. All stuff is junk to someone else, and vice versa.


"A Place For My Stuff" is comedy gold. Especially liked the stuff implications of traveling from the US to Maui and having stuff spread across the planet.

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Nothing should ever be allowed to eat your post. Excepting your dog when you use the ol' Smith Corona typewriter.

Try this text editor, Notepad++, it's free & open source and made specifically for Windows.

http://notepad-plus-plus.org/

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Moose - please pardon the interupption:

catwhoorg - ever getting back to Origins or is the family life and running taking up too much time? We miss you and your humor!


Not this year for certain. I'd like to get back into the swing of attending though. Miss you guys.

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