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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/8/2013 4:00:25 PM   
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Singers is in a bad place without it.


All the more reason to get supply in there STAT. Hazard the cost while you can.


Well, if I had KNOWNNNNN . . .


Keep forgetting you're getting 1,000 / day in there. That's the ticket.

Supply levels there over the last week? You keeping up with the Joneses?

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/8/2013 4:43:24 PM   
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Even without supply though 30,000 Chinese infantry can hurt one regiment of tanks with no Forts.

Of course they can! China still has lots of trees so they cut a few to make poles, and then in teams of 100 each they charge the tanks, stick the poles under and flip them over. Or they could just pile some wood around the tanks and start an ammunition roast ...

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/8/2013 5:15:36 PM   
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Yes, that's right! Clog the Japanese tanks' bogey wheels with the entrails of the Chinese! A very clever use of available manpower!

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/8/2013 7:01:28 PM   
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"Weeee're heeeeere!"

I don't even recall what movie that line is from, but it's appropriate today.


"Poltergeist". And the quote (by some blonde innocent-looking 5 YO girl) is "They're here..."


That's why I didn't know it; never saw the whole movie.

Sadly, I believe the actress died as a teen after suffering an intestinal blockage which burst. That my recall at least. A lot of people think it was Drew Barrymore, but she was in "ET."

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/8/2013 7:03:55 PM   
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Singers is in a bad place without it.


All the more reason to get supply in there STAT. Hazard the cost while you can.


Well, if I had KNOWNNNNN . . .


Keep forgetting you're getting 1,000 / day in there. That's the ticket.

Supply levels there over the last week? You keeping up with the Joneses?


Almost exactly, give or take a hundred. Oddly, resources and fuel decreased this turn by single digits. I don't think spoilage is in effect, but I don't want to check the math.

Helps to not be building forts, not flying a thing, and not fighting. Of course, no replacements are flowing either, because I'm below x2.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/8/2013 7:04:56 PM   
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Even without supply though 30,000 Chinese infantry can hurt one regiment of tanks with no Forts.

Of course they can! China still has lots of trees so they cut a few to make poles, and then in teams of 100 each they charge the tanks, stick the poles under and flip them over. Or they could just pile some wood around the tanks and start an ammunition roast ...


Do a dog pile with 15,000 Chinese. Tanks gonna squish somehow.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/8/2013 7:15:35 PM   
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Even without supply though 30,000 Chinese infantry can hurt one regiment of tanks with no Forts.

Of course they can! China still has lots of trees so they cut a few to make poles, and then in teams of 100 each they charge the tanks, stick the poles under and flip them over. Or they could just pile some wood around the tanks and start an ammunition roast ...


Do a dog pile with 15,000 Chinese. Tanks gonna squish somehow.

Unlike most sports events, this one rewards the last man on the pile ...

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/8/2013 7:26:26 PM   
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Even without supply though 30,000 Chinese infantry can hurt one regiment of tanks with no Forts.

Of course they can! China still has lots of trees so they cut a few to make poles, and then in teams of 100 each they charge the tanks, stick the poles under and flip them over. Or they could just pile some wood around the tanks and start an ammunition roast ...


Do a dog pile with 15,000 Chinese. Tanks gonna squish somehow.

Unlike most sports events, this one rewards the last man on the pile ...


And Mao shoots him for not being patriotic and on the bottom.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/8/2013 8:23:59 PM   
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"Weeee're heeeeere!"

I don't even recall what movie that line is from, but it's appropriate today.


"Poltergeist". And the quote (by some blonde innocent-looking 5 YO girl) is "They're here..."


That's why I didn't know it; never saw the whole movie.

Sadly, I believe the actress died as a teen after suffering an intestinal blockage which burst. That my recall at least. A lot of people think it was Drew Barrymore, but she was in "ET."


I never saw it, either, and the line I remember is the one from the sequel ("they're baaa-aaack!"). Her name was Heather O'Rourke (hmm... there's an O'Rourke branch in my family), and according to IMDB what you remember is correct (intestinal stenosis, cardiac arrest in the ambulance). What she was most proud of in life was being elected Student Body President in 5th grade.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/8/2013 10:20:29 PM   
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I never saw it, either, and the line I remember is the one from the sequel ("they're baaa-aaack!"). Her name was Heather O'Rourke (hmm... there's an O'Rourke branch in my family), and according to IMDB what you remember is correct (intestinal stenosis, cardiac arrest in the ambulance). What she was most proud of in life was being elected Student Body President in 5th grade.


Sad.

I was elected student body president in 11th grade adn I'm not proud of it at all.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/8/2013 10:47:32 PM   
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I never saw it, either, and the line I remember is the one from the sequel ("they're baaa-aaack!"). Her name was Heather O'Rourke (hmm... there's an O'Rourke branch in my family), and according to IMDB what you remember is correct (intestinal stenosis, cardiac arrest in the ambulance). What she was most proud of in life was being elected Student Body President in 5th grade.


Sad.

I was elected student body president in 11th grade adn I'm not proud of it at all.

I can see why - you musta messed up big time to be downgraded from "El Presidente" to merely "Admiral of the Ocean Seas".

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/8/2013 11:37:53 PM   
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I never saw it, either, and the line I remember is the one from the sequel ("they're baaa-aaack!"). Her name was Heather O'Rourke (hmm... there's an O'Rourke branch in my family), and according to IMDB what you remember is correct (intestinal stenosis, cardiac arrest in the ambulance). What she was most proud of in life was being elected Student Body President in 5th grade.


Sad.

I was elected student body president in 11th grade adn I'm not proud of it at all.

I can see why - you musta messed up big time to be downgraded from "El Presidente" to merely "Admiral of the Ocean Seas".


That's Columbus.

I might have enjoyed my time in office more if I'd known about the power of interns.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/10/2013 2:24:15 PM   
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"One Burma Punch, please!"

Well, I seem to have set off a storm in the Tech section with noticing that supply production stops in occupied hexes. It seems as if there will be a beta of some kind, but opinions on what it should do are all over the board. I've said several of my pieces; I should now shut my piehole (as we say in the Midwest) and let Michael code as he will. Unfortunately, if there is relief it will be too late for Singers and probably Palembang too. Such are the fortunes of war.

I e-mailed Mike, who is still feeling poorly but is cranking out turns, to discuss how we will discuss the beta if and when. This whole sequence has given up far more opsec than I would have liked about my situation, but it's for the good of the game and it's a long war.

Speaking of which . . .

I feel as if we are in a transition month, from pin set-up to rolling the bowling ball. Is it the date? Is it flu-induced fever? Is it, perhaps, something the Allies have caused? (Nah.) Whatever, the pace picked up a bit today, the raids got bigger, the attacks more frequent. Just some highlights:

1) All subs near the HI have patrol zones adjusted this turn to skirt shallow water, move closer to Kobe, and to cut the southern half off the east coast patrol zone. In the Sea of Japan USS Tarpon operating just outside Saporro attacks and misses a small TF, this time with escorts. If escorts are being detailed now she is doing her job. As modern fleet boats come into Pearl all are being sent to Empire waters or to the transit areas near the Pescadores and Okinawa. The April radar upgrades will help, but these girls will do a naked patrol first.

2) In the Balikpapan straits dedicated ASW TFs attack several Dutch subs, missing, but also giving fresh intel. So far no sightings of tankers at Tarakan or at Balikpapan. There has been no recent recon of Miri or Brunei, but even if those ports are active not much fuel is headed home yet. With continued heavy capital ship ops at Johnson Island I think Japan will get more interested in fuel as summer approaches.

3) Air wars at Palembang do not go the Allies' way. Three new Aircobra units with about 15 planes each are put on CAP, but only one flies. A 40-Zero sweep takes down six for one Zero. The unescorted Betty raid following comes in unmolested and kills some planes on the ground. Grr. Three unescorted raids at Singers as well. Think I will move some Cobras up there for a day and see if I can jump them. I can't afford supplies at Singers to run CAP, but a day might be OK. Banshees and B-26s from Palembang hit troops in Singers hex and disable 3 squads and cause some disruption I hope. I expect this gap will be CAPed tomorrow, so I may shift these assets back onto the oil fields at Djambi.

4) General feeling of "something's coming" re Java. First the attacks south of Palembang where I expected paras in an attempt to cut the Oosthaven railroad. Now a Dutch infantry LCU sitting there holding the door open. A lot of recon of Oosthaven where three TFs are unloading planes and supplies (Palembang is set to stockpile supplies, so Oost was getting thin.) Today Glen recon of Batavia and Mavis recon of two bases in mid-Java. A landing in the belly would easily succeed, although I would try to respond with the ready TF at Soerbaja, about to gain another repaired CL. I would much rather a landing at Batavia, which is mined, has more AV, and is safer for a Force Z response; I won't bring Z in to save Java anywhere SE of Batavia. Batavia has a large nest of aircraft which he can see, including all of the theater TBs. So, don't know what's up, but now that Borneo is 90% done Java could be next rather than the Celebes.

5) Last Chinese refugees in mid-China moving E-to-W west of Changsha group. Japanese lead forces coming north meet them on the road. Allies had seen this coming, had set everything to Combat mode, and ordered one corps to deliberate attack if possible, to delay and gain intel on force composition. Japanese attack first. Results not too bad:

Ground combat at 75,50 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1080 troops, 0 guns, 158 vehicles, Assault Value = 89

Defending force 4938 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 190

Japanese adjusted assault: 82

Allied adjusted defense: 112

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Allied ground losses:
186 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 32 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
9th Armored Car Co
13th Tank Regiment
8th Armored Car Co

Defending units:
78th Chinese Corps

Still more reliance on armor. Also, leaders results surprising. Chinese better.

Allies counter-attack:

Ground combat at 75,50 (near Kweiyang)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4720 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 162

Defending force 1072 troops, 0 guns, 158 vehicles, Assault Value = 86

Allied adjusted assault: 66

Japanese adjusted defense: 118

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)


Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
100 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
78th Chinese Corps

Defending units:
13th Tank Regiment
9th Armored Car Co
8th Armored Car Co

Leaders reverse, so they must be close in stats. Some disruption to AFVs noted. Rest of Chinese stacks unmolested and make some miles. So mission accomplished.

6) War returns to the southern PI. At Malaybalay, which has been a backwater since the first week, a strong ground air attack is followed by a decisve move on the hex. Its sole Filipino infantry unit, starving, retreats north.

7) The big show today is in Burma. Many units on both sides in motion. Japanese moved a stack into Meiktila, which has had steady bombing from SW. As a test of Chinese/British/Burmese joint strength an attack is ordered. It goes well:

Ground combat at Meiktila (58,47)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 41265 troops, 256 guns, 59 vehicles, Assault Value = 1676

Defending force 5171 troops, 73 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 176

Allied adjusted assault: 470

Japanese adjusted defense: 31

Allied assault odds: 15 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2052 casualties reported
Squads: 40 destroyed, 67 disabled
Non Combat: 30 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 44 disabled
Guns lost 23 (10 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units retreated 4


Allied ground losses:
1124 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 93 disabled
Non Combat: 19 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 13 (3 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
9th Burma Rifles Battalion
44th Chinese Corps
52nd Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
46th Indian Brigade
Railway BAF Battalion
1st Burma Division
6th Construction Regiment
106th RAF Base Force
19th Group Army

Defending units:
112th Infantry Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion

Japanese retreat SE toward Taung Gyi, but end up in open country to the west of it. Chinese units still maneuvring to cut supplies there, and now corps are moving from Lashio to challenge this base. Allied unit destroyed above not infantry I believe, but won't know until tomorrow. A good day for the Allies and the tired Chinese troops who finally get a victory. Mandalay supply still sinking, but LCUs in residence are loading up on internal organic supply and resting. Chittagong supply at about 14,000 and growing daily. Imphal still has zip.

Supply-wise, Singers today at 10,800. FT load in, but the APDs are showing mid-teens system damage plus some engine, so I'll need to rotate them pierside in Palembang to patch real soon now.

Intel sees a Guards Engineer Regiment at Bangkok, presumably boarding trains for Singers. If so I have a week or so before the next try. Lots of radio traffic at Pescadores and CRB, which normally means TF loading and leaving.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/10/2013 6:01:28 PM   
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In that second attack near Kweiyang the Chinese attackers got an adjustment of Leaders + Leaders - on the same line. I don't think I have seen that before. Does this imply that some of the leaders were good and others not? If the + and - didn't balance out, I wonder which factor was dominant? Might be worth a look at the Leader stats for each unit with significant AV that was in the battle.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/10/2013 6:10:51 PM   
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In that second attack near Kweiyang the Chinese attackers got an adjustment of Leaders + Leaders - on the same line. I don't think I have seen that before. Does this imply that some of the leaders were good and others not? If the + and - didn't balance out, I wonder which factor was dominant? Might be worth a look at the Leader stats for each unit with significant AV that was in the battle.


I've never seen that either, despite me bolding it. I'll have a look.

Edit: more odd, there was only one LCU involved.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/10/2013 6:20:30 PM   
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Here's the guy. Not a bad general for the Chinese. So I don't know.






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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/10/2013 6:30:06 PM   
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Editing the last day post. 5th Guards Engineer boarded xAK at Bangkok. So maybe I don't have a week.

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Because of their equipment, Engineer units usually take a couple of days to load, then figure three days to get down the coast to the nearest disembarkation port [Mersing?] another day to unload, then several days march to Johore Bharu and Singers. You have some time. I would recon Mersing in about three/four days if there are aircraft available for the job and set Nav Attack for anything that can reach.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/10/2013 7:50:25 PM   
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Because of their equipment, Engineer units usually take a couple of days to load, then figure three days to get down the coast to the nearest disembarkation port [Mersing?] another day to unload, then several days march to Johore Bharu and Singers. You have some time. I would recon Mersing in about three/four days if there are aircraft available for the job and set Nav Attack for anything that can reach.


Good points. Don't know if the intel routine is literal wording re load status, but Mersing is their goal, unless he's so protective of this premium engineer unit he comes in north of there and trains anyway. He knows I have B-26s and Banshees, both of which have good range from several air fields I still have. Mersing woudl make me clench up if I were Japan.

OTOH, given they're on a ship, maybe they're going to Singkawang to help speed a big air field to work on Palemabang? Other Borneo possibilities.

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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwin... - 1/11/2013 3:09:07 PM   
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Air Experiments

Some days see titanic battles, and some days see me trying new stuff out just because. There are areas of the game I'm pretty good at, and areas which have never interested me much and I'm pretty bad at. Playing the AI it was fine to not care, but now I'm seeing that I need to be at least average everywhere.

Also, one of the core reasons I do this AAR is to provide an historical diary for my opponent to look at afterward, per his request. When he reads this (years from now I hope; do we have hoverboards yet?) I hope he recalls this day or this period of the war. I believe he keeps local notes in text files as his AAR is not a daily, so perhaps those help too.

Anyway, some stuff happened, and then I'll get to the air ops.

1) USS Tarpon in the Sea of Japan attacks another unescorted ship, xAK Yamaura Maru. Misses, not duds. Sooner or later those independent variable rolls will work in her favor. In the meantime, where's that guy who said SoJ patrols were a waste of time because there's no ships there?

2) S-23 goes into Johnson I. for the daily inventory on Fuso (yep, still there) and gets pounded. Harbor attacks have been pretty unproductive for both sides for weeks now and I think I'm going to stop them. S-23 loooked pretty bad with at least one penetrating hit and a fire.

The rest of the day is all air ops; there are no land battles at all, although Mike's transmission e-mail indicated he thought things in Malaysia and Burma were getting hot.

As background to what happened let me lay a foundation. Many US air units have come through CT. Many players send them to India, but I have sent most to Palembang, Batavia, Soerbaja and Cocos, with one patrol unit at DG. Reasons were several: 1) that is where the war is right now, not months from now, 2) the pace of Japanese ops tells me that if India is ever threatened it will be after the intial dearth of British aircraft is easing, 3) I have a core war aim of denying petroleum as long as I can, 4) Singers situation, while dire in a supply sense, is far better than I had hoped in a land defense sense when I had to make CT deployment decisions about three game weeks ago. Additional aircraft in the Malaysia/Palembang sub-theater have the potential to really complicate matters right now and for at least the next month.

As for deployments, Batavia is acting as a holding pen, more or less. It has the TBs, except one 6-plane Albacore unit on ramp standby at Palembang. It has most of the surviving Dutch odd-lot except the patrol planes which are at Palembang still pulling the 223 RAF HQ out of Singers to shore up maintenance at P.

P. is the core AF. It has sufficient supply and is getting toward a balance on aviation support. It has lots of engineers who can repair ciirca 30 AF/runway per day, although forts building is lagging. Palembang is getting the denial treatment most Japanese players give Singers. Of the incoming CT planes, I put three Aircobras there, two B-26, and the 18-plane Vindicator unit. One half-eaten Banshee group rounds out the offensive roster.

Singers has had no planes for about three weeks. Fort building is off, and there are lots of engineers there in combat mode who keep the runway damage down, which doesn't cost supplies and so is "free" except for fatigue and morale if they are bombed.

The Japanese in my view had gotten somewhat complacent. Milk runs on Singers without fighters. Lots of AA at Singers and no CAP for weeks, so this is somewhat understandable. Palembang still gets many Zero sweeps from N. Borneo and then AF attacks, some escorted, some not. Extensive recon is seen daily on several Java bases, plus Oosthaven and Palembang: Glens, Babs, and Mavises. Djambi in past raids has had one Zero unit on CAP.

Today the Allies set things up to change from routine, with three objectives: 1) to hit Djambi oil in a multi-dimension attack structure and overcome the CAP, 2) to try to ambush non-escorted heavy bombers at Singers, 3) to test B-26 utility in very low altitude City attacks.

To these ends, one Aircobra unit is sent to Singers and CAPed at 12,000 to compromise between the aircraft's low-altitude band and the normal height for bombers here, about 10,000. At Palembang, the Vindicators are sent high to Oil bomb at 22,000, the Banshees at 24,000, while the B-26s are sent at 100 feet to do the same. One Aircobra unit is set on Djambi LRCAP at medium altitude, while the other is set to sweep at 19,000 as a sacrificial lamb to try to exhaust the Zeros in advance of the bombers. I know all of this will not coordinate, but I hope some of it will. Palembang itself is left without CAP. Two Hurricanes are still flying there, and they are sent with the Aircobra sweep. Above all, I want to learn more about land-based coordination and low-altitude B-26 results.

3) First comes the sweep at Djambi, which is at 19.000 feet. It IS sacrificial with 4 Cobras lost to no Zeros, but many, many passes are taken and about one-third of the Zeros have some damage reported in the captions, although no critical hits.

4) Then the heavy bombers hit an un-CAPed Palembang, and it is bad for the Allies:

Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 21
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 4 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 damaged
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed on ground
P-39D Airacobra: 7 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 3 destroyed on ground
Albacore I: 1 damaged
Albacore I: 1 destroyed on ground
B-26 Marauder: 1 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 27

5) Things improve a bit as Nells come without escort to hit Singers. Thirteen Aircobras get up and destroy two with no losses. This CAP will be withdrawn both for supply reasons and that tomorrow all raids will be escorted. Mike does not make the same mistake twice when it comes to air planning.

6) A second raid comes at Singers, with Nate escort. These crates are more of an fair fight for the Cobras:

Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 29
Ki-27b Nate x 12

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged
Ki-27b Nate: 2 destroyed


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 5

7) A third, unescorted, raid on Singers:

Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 3
G4M1 Betty x 27

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged


No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 18

8) A final raid here is unopposed by fighters, but is hit by AA:

Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed by flak

Runway hits 1

I realize conbat reports are tedious; I provide them here only for diary documentation. My evaluation is that the CAP at Singers was a good investment; I wish I had sent the Djambi sweepers there as well.

9) Back at Djambi, the Oil attacks are a mixed bag, a C- at best.

The Vindicators are the worst, going in at 22,000. No LRCAP makes it and 12 Zeros jump them and slaughter them. Ten destroyed, one damaged, no hits.

The five Banshees bomb from 24,000 without loss and without hits.

The first B-26 unit, six planes, goes in at 100 feet. I was unsure what would happen. I did not know if they would act as attack bombers (if the code for ABs activates this early in the war), or simply as bombers. They do both bombing and strafing. I think a combo of the sweep and Vindicator attack has eaten up the Zeros' ops points as only one opposes the B-26s. They score 2 Oil point hits.

The second B-26 unit of five planes also faces one Zero, scores no hits, and has one damaged.

10) The area's air battles end with a large, 36-Zero sweep passing over Palembang and finding nothing to shoot at.

I learned some things today which I will try to use in the near future. My greatest regret is throwing away the Vindicators. Although they are a dead-end model they have some early utility in anti-shipping. I am happy at the overall results at Singers.

News Tidbits

Bataan Forts go to 4 and will stop there. Supplies are slightly under 20,000.

Unknown number of air transports are ambushed bringing something into Djambi.

Pearl has five BBs with zero damage, and about half the DDs through their first ASW upgrades. The CAs AA upgrades have a couple of weeks to run. One CV at San Diego still only has five Wildcats, but the other three could sortie today with full, rested air wings.

The first fuel convoys complete their round-trip to UK/EC and come into CT with some welcome fuel. Speed-grouping xAKs on this run is key; many days can be cut off the cycle.

USS Sculpin continues to limp home from her mine hit off Hokkaido.

The Americal Division TF links up with a strong ASW TF mid-transit to Pearl and goes to Full speed for the run past the subs. Once a third full division is defending Pearl I may consider a very strong port attack on Johnson with BBs and CAs. Even if I lose 2-3 BBs it would be worth it if I can get Fuso and perhaps a CA or two in return. In the back of my mind is the worry that the KB could still be over the horizon waiting for this move.

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I am unclear why you would send the Vindicators and Banshees in at such a great altitude. Their accuracy and maneuver would both suck at that height. Flak is a lesser concern to fighters on CAP and making the bomb runs ineffective. I would never use a DB outside DB altitude on any mission save ASW.

As for the low level bombing - I prefer this method of attack as it often avoids CAP [which is set too high to intercept because players believe in the almighty "bounce"] and regardless of training level in low ground bombing, it usually gets some hits. Same for low naval bombing. Even flak seems less effective because by the time your strike clears the trees around the target there are only seconds to try and shoot at it. When radar comes into play, low level strikes are the only way to reduce warning time.

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I am unclear why you would send the Vindicators and Banshees in at such a great altitude. Their accuracy and maneuver would both suck at that height. Flak is a lesser concern to fighters on CAP and making the bomb runs ineffective. I would never use a DB outside DB altitude on any mission save ASW.



I could volunteer stupidity and that would get a lot of votes.

Seriously, I had hoped for more coordination. I set up the LRCAP to run at the Vindicator's height. I also wanted max separation between the DBs and the B-26s. The Zero CAP on the Vindicator strike looked like this:

AP engaged:
Yamada Det S-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 103 minutes

I had also used the Banshees on DB on Oil stikes before and not had good results. I don't know how the algorithm works, but in RL you wouldn't need a lot of precision to hit a tank farm or pipe nest. I thought level was as good as DB for the target. Maybe reading too much into the code.

Against the AI I don't think I've ever used the Vindicators for anything, any time. I didn't know how they'd react in a dogfight. Now I know.

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Well, when you put it that way, they DID serve to sucker the CAP up high and maybe saved some B-26s. Sorta like the Devastators at Midway in reverse!

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Well, when you put it that way, they DID serve to sucker the CAP up high and maybe saved some B-26s. Sorta like the Devastators at Midway in reverse!


That's what I hoped, but I don't know if the code has "memory" between discrete strikes in the same phase. IOW, that CAP which ended high stays high at the start of the next strike. Like I said, the air war isn't my strong suit. I wasn't unhappy with the B-26 performance though.

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February 9, 1942

Sweeps Rule

Not feeling very creative today. Watching the Ravens--Broncos game with one eye. Turn was very blah. Moving toward mid-Feb. though and many areas of the map are still unmolested by Japan.

1) Almost zero naval action today. I-boat takes a shot at passing TF at Pearl and misses. A 180,000 supply convoy is coming in either today or tomorrow, so this might have been it. Several TFs coming and going over each other.

A first for me, but I sent an un-escorted Queen Elizabeth on an amphib mission to Lihue to drop off a CD unit. She sat there for a week unloading, with an ASW TF in the hex with her. Peaceful, easy, she's almost back to SF to repair system damage. Don't really have a long-range lift for her to do before withdrawl. But I wanted my opponent to know he could have had her with a couple of DDs from Johnson.

2) Pull a bunch of air units out of Palembang to lessen the repair load; Vindicators and Banshees included. Put all the Cobras on CAP at 10k, hoping the bombers come alone near that altitude. No such luck. Huge Zero sweep cuts them to pieces. 7 lost for one Zero. Then the bombers come, light escort, and get two more on the ground. My only hope here is the Cobras can disrupt raids enough to hold damage to a level where I can get some fort-building in. Palembang has 83,000 supply now and it continues to build. A third escorted Betty raid gets more planes on the ground. Mostly damaged, but a few lost.

3) Lots of troop bombing in China. Bataan supply bombing plus some troop. Forts off there, supplies at 12,300.

4) B-26s go at Djambi at 100 feet. Zeros react, but extreme low altitude minimizes. Two lost, one to flak, 1 Oil hit recorded.

5) CAP at Singapore yesterday might have caused a pause. No air attacks today. FT load went, but also sent two small xAKs from Cocos toward Palembang. Singers down to low 9000s today; FT can't keep up. Will risk exposure of supply lifeline with xAKs.

6) Singers bombarded. Careful comparison of force composition with first, shock attack shows exactly the same LCUs. No more, no less.

Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 42928 troops, 561 guns, 117 vehicles, Assault Value = 1381

Defending force 44959 troops, 581 guns, 367 vehicles, Assault Value = 1188

Japanese ground losses:
147 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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RAVENS!!!!!! UN-Freak in believable! Dan DearDorf can bite me.

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RAVENS!!!!!! UN-Freak in believable! Dan DearDorf can bite me.


Especially since the defense was looking for bicycles to ride after their legs went to the sidelines to sit in recliners. A heck of a game. I had Denver winning the Super Bowl, so . . .

Niners looked pretty tough too. Last "family" team left after the Vikes and 'Skins folded. If the Falcons do their patented choke after a bye I think it's Niners--Patriots.


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Yep, I don't see the Ravens going past the AFC title game. What a game in Denver though.

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Hows supply at Singers? Looks like hes going for surrender over blunt force trauma.

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Hows supply at Singers? Looks like hes going for surrender over blunt force trauma.


About 9500 I think. I'm sending 1000 per turn by fast transport, and I have two small xAKs going to Palembang to try to get a bit more in. I expect they'll be seen and sunk; the issue is when. Combined I think they're about 4000.

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