From: The Zone™
5. Historical OOB and replacements in 1941. From what V. D. Sokolovski says in his book at least 150 rifle divisions and dozens of rifle brigades are absent in the first vital 6 months of the war... can you imagine that? Roughly 200 more counters?
This is a weired thing you brought up with that a while ago. Like so many things, also the OOBs are well researched in WitE I find. And just as with many other things, if there are discprepancies, the devs either did it on purporse and with a good rationale, or the resources any one refers to are all but unambiguous.
Unfortunately I know too little about that side of things. How many of these counters would be filled out units, or say 30% ToE counters? How many would be pure training cadres, which in case of the German (Ersatzheer etc.) are not depicted and of importance for the fighting part of the game itself? How many were mere shells, how many saw combat? Would it translate in a larger manpower modifier, a larger starting manpower pool, or cheaper "division rebuilt" cost?
Well, as I have said it's what Sokolovski (Marshall of the soviet Union) says.
He clearly says that between the 22 june and 1 december (1941) "150 Rifle Divisions and 44 Rifle Brigades were sent to the front". All these units were reserves. I guess the Stavka white armies we see on the first turn: 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 and 24 armies (if I remember correctly) have to be part of these reserves in fact: but they only make grosso modo 35 divisions...
Then he adds that these reserves sent to the front were only the "52% of the reserve divisions and 44% of the reserve brigades". He is not talking about an amorphous mass, he talks about divisions and brigades. Therefore Stavka is still keeping as reserves (by the 1 december) the 48% of the rifle divisions (almost 150 rifle divisions) and the 56% of the brigades (above 50)...
It's already been mentioned: the current replacement rates in no way can simulate the real Red Army historical losses
EDIT: what Tarhunnas didn't have is precisely these extra reserves kept by Stavka (by the 1 december that is). This was obvious: he ran out of counters, taking, let's not forget it, more or less historical losses.
< Message edited by TulliusDetritus -- 9/29/2012 5:30:35 PM >
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