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Soviet Rockets / Breakthrough / Regular Artillery Divis... - 9/25/2012 12:23:56 PM   
TulliusDetritus

 

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From: Back to Reality :(
Status: offline 		Well, in theory on my game I am starting to upgrade to the Red Army v 2.O

I have started buying artillery divisions (regular, rocket, breakthrough). But -as I have no idea- according to the more experienced gurus out there (1943 is a virgin territory to me), what should be the correct proportion? And what should be the grand total? 40, 50...?

A thing like this:

Regular / breakthrough / rocket
1 / 1 / 1?
2 / 1 / 1?
3 / 2 / 1?
etc etc

Thanks in advance

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RE: Soviet Rockets / Breakthrough / Regular Artillery D... - 9/25/2012 10:50:43 PM   
Schmart

 

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Status: offline 		This will provide some information:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3126849

"Artillery" Divs will upgrade to "Breakthrough" Divs. "Gun" Divisions don't upgrade. Most Divs built should be the Artillery or Breakthrough variety. Historically, the Russians created 37 normal plus 7 Rocket Divs.

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RE: Soviet Rockets / Breakthrough / Regular Artillery D... - 9/25/2012 11:27:18 PM   
TulliusDetritus

 

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Status: offline 		Many thanks I downloaded the zip and read the PDF inside.

Alrite then. So far I just have created 14 Regular / Breakthrough and 6 Rocket divisions. To stay historical I still need one more Rocket division and then 23 regular / breakthrough nasty things. Which will be done in let's say er... the next er... 4 turns. Presto, dabai dabai!

*not to scare you, Marquo, but I will soon introduce you to my new friends, don't worry!*

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RE: Soviet Rockets / Breakthrough / Regular Artillery D... - 9/26/2012 12:22:21 AM   
Aurelian

 

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Status: offline 		I didn't find Rocket Divs all that useful. And they took *forever* to fill up.

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RE: Soviet Rockets / Breakthrough / Regular Artillery D... - 9/26/2012 1:37:37 AM   
turtlefang

 

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Status: offline 		I agree with Aurelian. Rocket divisions take forever to get to thier TO&E so I have stopped building more than 3 (ok, I have to have three just to play with them, reality, shouldn't build any but I can't resist). And I target a multiple of 3 in my builds due to stacking so it 39 based on advice given to me earlier in this forum.

A lot of folks recommend getting rid of the artillery support units when the divisions appear - I don't. I want all the firepower I can get into the fight and since these are already built, I keep them.

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RE: Soviet Rockets / Breakthrough / Regular Artillery D... - 9/26/2012 3:27:58 AM   
Klydon

 

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Status: offline 		To get around some of the issues with the rocket units, I look to build several of them earlier in the game as SU's, then disband them later on so the rockets go back to the pool. I have not had a chance to test this to the point where I am building rocket divisions, but I do agree it is tough to get rocket units in general built. However, doing it this way should get rocket units built over time.

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RE: Soviet Rockets / Breakthrough / Regular Artillery D... - 9/26/2012 7:52:47 AM   
Aurelian

 

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Status: offline 		I think the size is what makes them take so long.

The 43 Rckt Div has 864 launchers. BM-30-4.

The 44 one has 288 BM-31.

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RE: Soviet Rockets / Breakthrough / Regular Artillery D... - 9/26/2012 4:42:24 PM   
turtlefang

 

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Status: offline 		You could be right regarding the number of launchers. I just know it takes a looooong time.

I should have looked more closely at the TO&E - didn't realize you needed 864 of those suckers.

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RE: Soviet Rockets / Breakthrough / Regular Artillery D... - 9/26/2012 5:43:29 PM   
Klydon

 

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Status: offline 		Even the earlier rocket SU's are very slow to fill. It is almost like they don't have much priority when it comes to armaments.

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RE: Soviet Rockets / Breakthrough / Regular Artillery D... - 9/27/2012 7:43:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I build lots of rocket divs, they are the best thing for breaking lines. I find that the first 3-4 that I build don't ever fill up, and then the rest do. I have no idea why, I suspect some obscure bug. e.g. by late 43 the 1st - 3rd rocket divs will still be at 10% TOE but the others will be 90%+.

The breakthrough divs are useful too, but less so.


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RE: Soviet Rockets / Breakthrough / Regular Artillery D... - 9/27/2012 2:27:51 PM   
Marquo


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RE: Soviet Rockets / Breakthrough / Regular Artillery D... - 9/27/2012 3:31:59 PM   
turtlefang

 

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Status: offline 		If this is true, has someone reported this as an bug that needs to be reviewed or checked? Just wondering.

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