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Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/11/2012 10:48:10 PM   
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Status: online 		Love the scenario. BUT, it promotes encourages and just about demands that the war start long before September 1939. Further due to the major rivers in France a Mechanized Germany can not easily defeat her once they reach Paris.

WARNING to those not aware..... have a couple Armies of SMG and Rifle with support equipment that uses horses or you won't be crossing that river.

The Soviets and America are free to build tons of factories long before they join the war. Hell it is Oct 1940 and the Soviets have over 1000 rifle and support with 50 or 60 artillery not to mention 5 Armor factories.

Thinking I may start over now that I know my force structure can't get at the French. To bad too cause I couped Turkey ).
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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/12/2012 12:07:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am not sure i see it as a disadvantage that the war starts way before september 1939. I was not aiming at historicity, as much as i was aiming at a what-if situation.

I am not sure you are right about the impossibilities of using a mechanized structure to conquer Paris eitehr. It seems to be working, at least in the games i have played.

But i am glad that you love the scenario. That is high praise!

If you have ideas for what can be improved and so on, feel free to write it.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/12/2012 1:48:11 AM   
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Status: online 		Neither my armor nor my half track mounted Infantry can cross the river in front of Paris except at the damaged bridge. Nor can they attack across said river. Simple fact. Further Engineers need 200 points to repair the Bridge.

At Le Havre I can only attack at the Bridge, not the hex across the river that also borders the city. I had the same problems in Belgium.

My armor is useless as the rivers make it impossible to attack.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/12/2012 2:16:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have forwarded your observations to Bombur. He will decide if the movement values should be changed. I think that it is ok, they can attack over rivers, but really Bombur would know more than me about it.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/12/2012 2:16:43 AM   
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Status: online 		Further my damaged Infantry that is half track mounted can not return from Paris even at the damaged bridge. They still have 88 AP so it is not because they are low on AP.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/12/2012 2:51:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Iīve been looking at other scenarios that depict france, and i can see they all choose to have the Seine run south of Paris.. I canīt do that however, cause that will make it merge with the Loire. Thats the price i paid for making a map that was so "petit" in Europe.

If there hadn't been that problem, i would have moved the Seine for you.

Moving Paris a hex north isnt an option either really, as it would put it bordering Lille.

I will try and see if we can lower costs for vehicles to cross rivers, but donīt hold your breath. Some people might think it is still very realistic that you cannot ford the Rhine for instance without a bridge..

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/12/2012 8:15:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I noticed the difficulty in river crossing myself, given the time scale, is it realistic or does it just feel wrong ?


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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/12/2012 8:28:34 PM   
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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/12/2012 10:25:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.

I noticed the difficulty in river crossing myself, given the time scale, is it realistic or does it just feel wrong ?


At a month in time there is no reason armor and mech forces can not cross rivers more easily. Further since engineers cost so much to do so and require the far hex to be under control one can not simulate an opposed crossing at all. Just maintain horse drawn Infantry lots of artillery and air. You can beat even armor with enough support and time.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/14/2012 12:02:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Iīve talked to bombur, and we agree. We have lowered the cost of crossing rivers for most units, except horses which for some odd reason had no penalty. It should now be possible for units that are mechanized to cross rivers.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/14/2012 9:45:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ernieschwitz

Iīve talked to bombur, and we agree. We have lowered the cost of crossing rivers for most units, except horses which for some odd reason had no penalty. It should now be possible for units that are mechanized to cross rivers.


Is this available for down load? I am not playing it right now due to frustration but I really do love this scenario.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/14/2012 9:52:36 PM   
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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/15/2012 2:38:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		:) Have fun trying to please everyone ernie it's a heck of a scenario i can't wait to play it sometime.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/15/2012 3:17:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, Two Tribes, thank for for helping us to develop this scenario. Your comments have been pretty useful. This scenario is too complex and it will take a long time to fix all the bugs. I also would like to see your opinion on the sea transport system. I feel itīs very hard for USA to take their stuff out of America, maybe it would be a priority to allow easier transportation of military hardware, but I havenīt see any complaints up to now.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/15/2012 4:15:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bombur

Hi, Two Tribes, thank for for helping us to develop this scenario. Your comments have been pretty useful. This scenario is too complex and it will take a long time to fix all the bugs. I also would like to see your opinion on the sea transport system. I feel itīs very hard for USA to take their stuff out of America, maybe it would be a priority to allow easier transportation of military hardware, but I havenīt see any complaints up to now.


I haven't gotten that far, the problem I see with changing sea transport is you would need special case for US as it would also help Japan and Germany.

As the US you have plenty of time to build up sea lift. And lots of PP if you delay a little. Even assuming an immediate attack by Germany the US will still take time to join the war and can easily build one factory every couple turns.

Perhaps make level 3 troop transport faster and more able to haul troops? And cost more to research.

The only complaint I might have is the fact that early in the war the US and Japan used civilian transport to move their sea born troops and that is pretty hard to do in game as you have so few commercial transport. Perhaps increase slightly the carry capability of Cargo ships?

I generally double the amount of cargo ships per Country. But that doesn't mean there isn't enough I just prefer it that way.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/15/2012 4:58:28 PM   
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Status: online 		Newest build started with Soviet turn and skipped all three axis Countries first turn, is that intended?

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/15/2012 5:22:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		No? That is a mistake. Sometimes the editor does things like that... And if i forget to check, then this is what happens. I`ll get right on uploading a new version.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/15/2012 5:35:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		A new version (v. 1.20b) should be in the scenariobank now. I made sure personally that it did not start the wrong way...

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/15/2012 9:02:31 PM   
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Status: online 		Thanks. Only played the first turn so no loss.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/19/2012 8:53:53 PM   
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Status: online 		Why does Japan only get 1800 from chem factory at 150 percent production?

Also France is in dire straights right off the bat. No problem handicapping them but it makes it hard to get the engineers built and supplied long enough to build a chem factory. Britain can not help right away because The British Isles need a chem factory also. ( well I did forget to channel Canada there, maybe that will help)

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/19/2012 9:14:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

Why does Japan only get 1800 from chem factory at 150 percent production?

Also France is in dire straights right off the bat. No problem handicapping them but it makes it hard to get the engineers built and supplied long enough to build a chem factory. Britain can not help right away because The British Isles need a chem factory also. ( well I did forget to channel Canada there, maybe that will help)


All nations get 1800 from each chemical factory, no matter what the people type that build them. There is a function in gameevents that make them factory people, to make sure this is kept that way. So this is fully by design.

Yes, France is in a bit of an economic mess from the get-go. They were as well in history. My solution is usually to get the canada supplies to GB and then build a chem. factory near london to supply the Franch. This can be done by simply gifting them the hex and assigning the Paris HQ. I have seen other solutions too. For instance, taking norway straight off the bat, will give you supplies that are need by britain as well. Giving Mosul to the French is another solution i have seen.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/19/2012 10:36:08 PM   
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Status: online 		I edit the game how do I fix it so Germany goes first again? Sometimes it starts another Country.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/20/2012 2:30:11 AM   
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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/20/2012 8:39:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had thought the first regime was always 0 and could not be changed

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/20/2012 7:48:52 PM   
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Status: online 		The setting he mentioned lets you change it and it randomly changes as you mod sometimes. It states it recommends you always use zero and that any other setting is for Beta.

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/20/2012 9:44:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		well it doesnīt exactly do it randomly...
But i have yet to figure out exactly when it does it. I think its when you add new units to a regime. Or something in that process. Depending on how you do it of course...

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/21/2012 6:00:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have tried in the past to set say regime 3 as beginning first, but when i start the game it always goes back to regime 0, so if anyone knows how to change this I would appreciate the help, thanks

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RE: Disadvantage to GD 1938 - 9/21/2012 8:06:01 PM   
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Status: online 		It appears from the settings I saw that one must have a high number to change a regime. For example it changed to US on me and was setting 18.

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