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Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 1:36:23 PM   
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I'm more familiar with Japan's ships than with the Allies but I think this applies to them too.

What in the world are you supposed to do with some of these CLs? The ones with low AA value, bad torpedoes (type 92 instead of type 93), and no ASW power. They seem like worthless targets to me. Many of them don't ever upgrade or convert to anything with a useful power.

Am I supposed to group them with other ships and use them as meat shields? They don't have much armor or durability so even that doesn't seem very efficient.
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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 2:32:37 PM   
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Hello

Depends what your opponent do....

I use them:

mainly
- in amphibious task forces for surpressing fire
- 1 CL in a important convoy

sometimes:
- 2 CL in a TF as surface raider (e.g. to Alsaka)
- in normal surface TF`s


The Tenryū class cruiser can be upgraded to CLAA cruiser later

Hope it helps...


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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 3:41:58 PM   
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Fast transports
Surface raiders
Harassment bombardment in dangerous waters (it doesn't matter much if you loose them)
Combat TF soaking shells
Combat TF vs. light enemy force
Amphibious TF escort

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 4:25:22 PM   
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As I am an Allied player, I can say that CLs on that side of the war are exceedingly valuable. Even the old Omaha class US CLs provide great value early in the war (those 6 inch guns have a far bigger impact in a surface action than 5 or 4.7 inch guns). The same could be said for the Japanese 5.9 inch guns. And the FPs that these ships carry can be very valuable.

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 4:48:25 PM   
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Escorts For medium value long range convoys (BB's or CA's for high value). Raiders,diversionary bombardment , scouts for larger CV and SFTF's. Fast enough to get out of trouble if they encounter larger forces , big enough to take care them selves against lighter. I find them very , very usefull, and never have enough. Then again, I never have enough of ANY ship type!

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 5:35:12 PM   
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I guess I just want a ship to either have some ASW value, have some big guns (at least 10 6" guns or some 8" guns or more), or have the type 93 torpedo, or have some decent AAA value. A lot of the japanese cruisers have NONE of these. The allies have some bad cruisers too but not as many. I guess I can try to throw them into combat but I assume they won't be particularly good at it. I haven't really played this game very much yet.

I guess I'm just a bit frustrated because I look at say the Atlanta class which before any upgrades has a AAA value of 600. I can't even get that on a battleship! Why can't Japan develop a decent AA gun like the 40mm bofors and what where they thinking sending cruisers into battle without the long lance :(

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 6:00:42 PM   
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Japan CLs had different mission from US CLs. Not worth complaining about why you don't get an Atlanta, Japan didn't make any.

Assets are assets. Some are powerful, some are weak, but they are always assets of some sort. The point of the game is to learn how to use the assets you have, and how to be creative with what you got. There are no rules and there is no best way. There are layers within layers. Ever peeled an onion?

I would listen closely to Puhis. He does not say much, but his posts show him to be very tactically astute. Things he says always make me think, and eventually go ... damn !! why didn't I think of it that way?

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 7:08:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Liebestod

I guess I just want a ship to either have some ASW value, have some big guns (at least 10 6" guns or some 8" guns or more), or have the type 93 torpedo, or have some decent AAA value. A lot of the japanese cruisers have NONE of these. The allies have some bad cruisers too but not as many. I guess I can try to throw them into combat but I assume they won't be particularly good at it. I haven't really played this game very much yet.

I guess I'm just a bit frustrated because I look at say the Atlanta class which before any upgrades has a AAA value of 600. I can't even get that on a battleship! Why can't Japan develop a decent AA gun like the 40mm bofors and what where they thinking sending cruisers into battle without the long lance :(


When you say 'some of them' it's hard for players who know the OOB like their own kitchen cupboard to comment in ways that will help you. If you want real answers, and specifics, you have to supply specifics in your questions. Then you'll find people more than generous.

You've gotten most of what you need from the above. The most useful skill in this game (aside from sheer perseverance) is creativity. But in order to be creative you have to play the game a bit and understand the basics. Get to 43 in an AI game as Japan and then see if you have the same question. Also, look at the upgrade path for some of these ships. In the future many of them become VERY useful at one thing or another.

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 7:43:15 PM   
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The six Nagara class CLs can be converted to CLAAs from 1/44......although ship flak in stock is weak so that may not make them worth the 180 day upgrade time. However they do still keep their good torpedoes after the conversion.

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 8:59:26 PM   
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I like to put a small CL with a float plane on my key fuel/oil fleets(Japan obviously). This seems to help get an edge on sub raiders trying to sink my vital AOs and TKs. I only do this in the large tanker fleets operating in the Hong Kong to Nagasaki sub kill zone. Recent strategic changes in my overall plan has been to reduce the amount of shipping passing through this kill zone.

With that said, I am no expert on these things, I just know this: Instead of nothing but sub attacks on my tankers, I now occasionally get scouted subs and my escorts attempt to sink or run off these subs rather than giving them free shots at my escorts or tankers.

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 10:08:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

When you say 'some of them' it's hard for players who know the OOB like their own kitchen cupboard to comment in ways that will help you. If you want real answers, and specifics, you have to supply specifics in your questions. Then you'll find people more than generous.


Umm okay? Thanks for the half-insulting response I guess(?) The other responses were more or less helpful. I think it's obvious which cruisers we're talking about here, I mean you can deduce which ones they are pretty easily from the quote of mine you grabbed. Are you implying that I don't know my IJN, or worse are you doubting my craftiness? ;)

Kuma and Tenryu classes are what I had in mind. There are some other cruisers like Yubari that are similar.

I like the convoy idea. Using the floatplanes to search ahead of the convoy for subs - I'll definitely do that. I'll also use them for combat, bombardment, and maybe even fast transport.

I noticed there are Tenryu and Nagara conversions to CLAA in the database which I hadn't noticed because you can't see them by simply clicking on the ship. I guess if an upgrade isn't next in line then you aren't allowed to view it for whatever reason. However these come pretty late and I'm more concerned about what to do with my ships in the first two years of the war.

-Related question: which destroyer class do you like best to use as escorts for KB? This was sort of what led me to investigating the CLs. I was expecting to find some decent AAA escorts, or at least ships that convert to the same by 1943, but Japan doesn't really have anything like that. So that leaves destroyers, but I don't want to over or underdo the escort. Tips? I'm not really sure how likely it is for the KB to find itself in a surface fight, or how many destroyers makes the fleet 'safe' from subs.

-Other CL question: Do you guys like to upgrade your Kitakami class or keep it as it is with 40x type 93 tubes?

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 10:11:28 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

When you say 'some of them' it's hard for players who know the OOB like their own kitchen cupboard to comment in ways that will help you. If you want real answers, and specifics, you have to supply specifics in your questions. Then you'll find people more than generous.


Umm okay? Thanks for the half-insulting response I guess(?) The other responses were more or less helpful. I think it's obvious which cruisers we're talking about here, I mean you can deduce which ones they are pretty easily from the quote of mine you grabbed. Are you implying that I don't know my IJN, or worse are you doubting my craftiness? ;)

Kuma and Tenryu classes are what I had in mind. There are some other cruisers like Yubari that are similar (has the type 93 but only 4 torpedo tubes, no AA or impressive guns to speak of).

I like the convoy idea. Using the floatplanes to search ahead of the convoy for subs - I'll definitely do that. I'll also use them for combat, bombardment, and maybe even fast transport.

I noticed there are Tenryu and Nagara conversions to CLAA in the database which I hadn't noticed because you can't see them by simply clicking on the ship. I guess if an upgrade isn't next in line then you aren't allowed to view it for whatever reason. However these come pretty late and I'm more concerned about what to do with my ships in the first two years of the war.

-Related question: which destroyer class do you like best to use as escorts for KB? This was sort of what led me to investigating the CLs. I was expecting to find some decent AAA escorts, or at least ships that convert to the same by 1943, but Japan doesn't really have anything like that. So that leaves destroyers, but I don't want to over or underdo the escort. Tips? I'm not really sure how likely it is for the KB to find itself in a surface fight, or how many destroyers makes the fleet 'safe' from subs.

-Other CL question: Do you guys like to upgrade your Kitakami class or keep it as it is with 40x type 93 tubes?


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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 10:46:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Liebestod


quote:

ORIGINAL: Liebestod

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ORIGINAL: obvert

When you say 'some of them' it's hard for players who know the OOB like their own kitchen cupboard to comment in ways that will help you. If you want real answers, and specifics, you have to supply specifics in your questions. Then you'll find people more than generous.


Umm okay? Thanks for the half-insulting response I guess(?) The other responses were more or less helpful. I think it's obvious which cruisers we're talking about here, I mean you can deduce which ones they are pretty easily from the quote of mine you grabbed. Are you implying that I don't know my IJN, or worse are you doubting my craftiness? ;)

Kuma and Tenryu classes are what I had in mind. There are some other cruisers like Yubari that are similar (has the type 93 but only 4 torpedo tubes, no AA or impressive guns to speak of).

I like the convoy idea. Using the floatplanes to search ahead of the convoy for subs - I'll definitely do that. I'll also use them for combat, bombardment, and maybe even fast transport.

I noticed there are Tenryu and Nagara conversions to CLAA in the database which I hadn't noticed because you can't see them by simply clicking on the ship. I guess if an upgrade isn't next in line then you aren't allowed to view it for whatever reason. However these come pretty late and I'm more concerned about what to do with my ships in the first two years of the war.

-Related question: which destroyer class do you like best to use as escorts for KB? This was sort of what led me to investigating the CLs. I was expecting to find some decent AAA escorts, or at least ships that convert to the same by 1943, but Japan doesn't really have anything like that. So that leaves destroyers, but I don't want to over or underdo the escort. Tips? I'm not really sure how likely it is for the KB to find itself in a surface fight, or how many destroyers makes the fleet 'safe' from subs.

-Other CL question: Do you guys like to upgrade your Kitakami class or keep it as it is with 40x type 93 tubes?




Liebestod, are you a native English speaker? There would appear to be a slight "failure in communications" here.


How you intend to use the ship is important to give you the best answer. Do you plan on using it to attack? Convoy escort? In a area where allied air is a factor? All these factors matter in your choice. Obvert wasn't being insulting , so don't be impaitient. There are LOTS of helpful people here, but they need data. You wouldn't go to a doctor and say "fix me " without giving him sysmptoms would you? The more imformation you can give us the better an answer we can give you. Think long and hard how you want to utilize this ship. Then tell us, and we can advise you.

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/10/2012 11:48:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Liebestod

quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

When you say 'some of them' it's hard for players who know the OOB like their own kitchen cupboard to comment in ways that will help you. If you want real answers, and specifics, you have to supply specifics in your questions. Then you'll find people more than generous.


Umm okay? Thanks for the half-insulting response I guess(?) The other responses were more or less helpful. I think it's obvious which cruisers we're talking about here, I mean you can deduce which ones they are pretty easily from the quote of mine you grabbed. Are you implying that I don't know my IJN, or worse are you doubting my craftiness? ;)

Kuma and Tenryu classes are what I had in mind. There are some other cruisers like Yubari that are similar.

I like the convoy idea. Using the floatplanes to search ahead of the convoy for subs - I'll definitely do that. I'll also use them for combat, bombardment, and maybe even fast transport.

I noticed there are Tenryu and Nagara conversions to CLAA in the database which I hadn't noticed because you can't see them by simply clicking on the ship. I guess if an upgrade isn't next in line then you aren't allowed to view it for whatever reason. However these come pretty late and I'm more concerned about what to do with my ships in the first two years of the war.


Sorry if you felt my comment insulting. I noticed you only joined recently and was just trying to help you negotiate what can be a very helpful forum. These guys are a wealth of knowledge and real generosity toward new players. It just helps them to know how to help you out to have more actual details. I would never assume you don't know your history, nor would I care. I don't know mine half as well as most around here.

The Japanese used many of these smaller cruisers (Tenryu, Yubari) in fast transport and logistical support roles during the war, and the game makes it very easy for the player to utilize them in a similar manner. The Japanese even converted away from the (modified Kuma class) torpedo CLs Kitakami and Oi and put more troop capacity and less torpedoes as early as late 42. (The game lets you choose whether you want this or not). I use them often throughout the DEI with some success to invade bases with shore guns, as they can help suppress the guns and land the troops without losing ships. Also they are very useful in troop evac if you need to pull back.

The Katori class seem almost useless at 18 knots, but work well early in amphib TFs and later as general escorts with 6 ASW value and good AA values. Many of the CLs get ASW racks in later upgrades but also can avoid subs due to their speed and agility, and are hard to hit from the air as well. Their main downside is their short range, but that is something most IJN ships suffer from.

Here is a good site showing quite a bit about the history of the Combined Fleet.

http://www.combinedfleet.com/cl.htm
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-Related question: which destroyer class do you like best to use as escorts for KB? This was sort of what led me to investigating the CLs. I was expecting to find some decent AAA escorts, or at least ships that convert to the same by 1943, but Japan doesn't really have anything like that. So that leaves destroyers, but I don't want to over or underdo the escort. Tips? I'm not really sure how likely it is for the KB to find itself in a surface fight, or how many destroyers makes the fleet 'safe' from subs.

-Other CL question: Do you guys like to upgrade your Kitakami class or keep it as it is with 40x type 93 tubes?


For DDs the Yugumo class is great for the 6k range early on, then the Akizuki class later with 8k range. Usually a couple of Kongo class BBs plus Tone and Chikuma would round out the escort. I like a CS like Chiyoda in there for naval search as well.

For the Kitakami/Oi, it depends on how you plan to use them.

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/11/2012 3:49:33 AM   
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Allied CL's, particularly Helena class (Boise) are really potent ships.  IJ CL's are pretty useless.  A few convert to CLAA's ... otherwise they are barely a match for Fletcher Class DD's ....

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/11/2012 5:39:57 AM   
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Historically, the IJN put CL's at the head of DD squadrons. Surface TFs like these are only tenable if they penetrate enemy territory at night. If caught there during the day, they simply get sunk. Once the Americans have radar fire control, night is out of the question as well. Attach them to CV TFs to provide flak. As for the Americans, Paxmondo is right, you will wish to use at least a few of their extroardinarily good CLs for surface combat, paired with a DD. They are more than powerful enough to anihilate any IJN AMCs they may run into. There has been some debate about whether they should be classified as CAs, because of their extroardinary firepower. Otherwise use US CLs for flak for CVs and certainly do that with CLAAs. The Commonwealth has to make that decision on a case by case basis, but theirs will ultimately be flak protection for CVs.

I should note for the IJN side, initially when they were armed with "Long Lance" torpedoes,, this was potentially a very powerful weapon. I'd say don't be afraid of using them for patrol duties or to clear a particular hex during the first six months, maybe significantly further than that.

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/13/2012 4:58:35 PM   
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I personally like to use those slower Katori class CLs as surface raiders. Try to get them into the shipping lanes where LBA cover is sparse for the first few months of a game. They are quite effective at engaging lightly escorted convoys. And if I should lose them, its not that great of a loss due to their slow speed.

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/13/2012 5:50:52 PM   
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I pair them up with some DD's and us them against PT boats and other light forces ... In a surface battle I've seen a perceptible difference btw a tf with just dd and one with a cl especially when engaging a pt tf

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/13/2012 6:27:39 PM   
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The Japanese CLs work well sinking PT boats!

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/13/2012 10:10:17 PM   
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I am not a Japanese player, so this is from the allied perspective. I find the CL to be some of the best do-all ships at my disposal. Early in the war, the commonwealth CL's and DD's are outstanding for slipping into an invasion fleet. More then once many AKs have been killed in a night north of Darwin in my current game. As time goes on, you get some extremely powerful light cruisers. The Helena class is the first, and this ship is outstanding. I like to use them as DD leaders, occasionally as part of a larger cruiser task force, and always as CV escort. The mid - late war allied CA's are extremely powerful, but the chances to use them in surface fights is slim to none.

I like to think of the CL as a more potent DD. The lack of torps on the later CLs can be a pain, but the DDs that should be in the group with her cover that.

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/14/2012 3:20:05 AM   
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The modern USN CLs are bigger and better than the CAs. They are superior ships in nearly every respect. I am talking the Brooklyn and Cleveland classes. They shouldn't be considered very "light" at all. Veteran players know that the 15x6in armed USN cruisers can be nasty opponents. BOISE, anyone?

Note that the TENRYU class is the ONLY one (other than KATORIS), that doesn't carry the Long Lance. Everything else does, including the KUMA. You have to respect anything that carries a Long Lance, but the 5.5 in main guns are not very good. That is their weakness.

There is a use for nearly every IJN hull, and CLs are no exception


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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/14/2012 8:05:28 PM   
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For Japan you should think of the old CL as tough DD. Even the modern CL arriving are CV escorts - so that means in effect Japan has no CL worth too much in surface actions. But your CA are worth any two allied CA.

The CL do make good raiders at times in the early war. But once converted to CLAA they seem quite good ( as CV escorts) - never had any luck with Kitakami or oi but I am sure they have their day and I would put them in all surface TF.


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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/15/2012 11:22:26 AM   
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OK this is the turn from my RA4.6 with Dan - CL as lone surface raider wih sub helping to spot victims...

April 16th 42
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Pago Pago at 148,161, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Sendai

Allied Ships
DM Breese, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AMC Monowai, Shell hits 15, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Neptuna, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage



Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
CL Sendai engages DM Breese at 20,000 yards
CL Sendai engages xAP Neptuna at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards
CL Sendai engages AMC Monowai at 18,000 yards
CL Sendai engages DM Breese at 18,000 yards
CL Sendai engages xAP Neptuna at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards
CL Sendai engages DM Breese at 16,000 yards
CL Sendai engages xAP Neptuna at 16,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
CL Sendai engages AMC Monowai at 13,000 yards
CL Sendai engages DM Breese at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
CL Sendai engages AMC Monowai at 10,000 yards
CL Sendai engages xAP Neptuna at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CL Sendai engages AMC Monowai at 9,000 yards
CL Sendai engages DM Breese at 9,000 yards
CL Sendai engages xAP Neptuna at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
CL Sendai engages AMC Monowai at 8,000 yards
CL Sendai engages DM Breese at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
CL Sendai engages AMC Monowai at 9,000 yards
CL Sendai engages DM Breese at 9,000 yards
CL Sendai engages AMC Monowai at 9,000 yards
CL Sendai engages DM Breese at 9,000 yards
CL Sendai engages xAP Neptuna at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
CL Sendai engages xAP Neptuna at 11,000 yards
CL Sendai engages AMC Monowai at 11,000 yards
CL Sendai engages DM Breese at 11,000 yards
CL Sendai engages xAP Neptuna at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CL Sendai engages AMC Monowai at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
CL Sendai engages xAP Neptuna at 14,000 yards
CL Sendai engages xAP Neptuna at 14,000 yards
Miyasaka, Yoshito orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range increases to 19,000 yards
CL Sendai engages AMC Monowai at 19,000 yards
CL Sendai engages xAP Neptuna at 19,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/15/2012 4:17:16 PM   
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I found the old Allied light CA to be quite tough and useful. I use them as destroyer leaders. Since they have little AA armament, I tend to use them in surface combat. As raiders or vs other Japanese DDs and CLs. The six inch guns are superior to anything you will see on a Japanese ship. I would have to say that after three years of combat the Detroit is my most bloodied ship. She has seen a ton of fights and done some serious damage.

Modern Alllied CLs are in a class of their own. Use them in any way you see fit. Great in a surface fight, as AA escort, or for counter batter fire in an invasion force. I am hard pressed to think of a way not to use them.



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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/15/2012 9:21:52 PM   
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Japan basically looked at a CL as a flotilla leader more than anything else, and compaired to US ships are essentially CLL's. Not that they were bad ships for the time, just build for a different mission. A US Brooklyn class and especially a Cleveland class could fight a treaty-era CA and make it an almost even fight, especially at shorter range. IJN CL's were not built for that typs of action.

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/15/2012 11:32:02 PM   
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Japan basically looked at a CL as a flotilla leader more than anything else, and compaired to US ships are essentially CLL's. Not that they were bad ships for the time, just build for a different mission. A US Brooklyn class and especially a Cleveland class could fight a treaty-era CA and make it an almost even fight, especially at shorter range. IJN CL's were not built for that typs of action.



Well, I would have to disagree a bit. A Cleveland class would eat a treaty class CA (Japanese or Allied) for lunch all other things considered. There was just a quantum leap between ships designed in the 20s and 30s versus ships designed and perfected right before and during the war.

Better construction, autoloading guns, better fire control systems, faster turret rotation-it just goes on. Even modernized I doubt the treaty class were all that good. At night their slow turrets and older fire control systems just were not suited for the rapid and numerous course changes that usually took place. That is probably doubly so for the old Allied CLs but we are talking in game terms and in game terms, I find them to be very useful.

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RE: Light Cruisers: what do you do with them? - 9/16/2012 2:53:23 AM   
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Only at night. By day i don't think the 6 inch was good enough.

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