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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/10/2012 1:25:13 AM   
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Mike - go back two pages and look at post 174 for OOB. I want to eventually push into the Marshalls. He cannot use all his troops on those atolls with small stacking limits.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/10/2012 3:38:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: witpqs

Remember that after they themselves unload, ships with some sort of amphibious ability (like APA, AKA, AP, AK, LST, LCI, etc. etc.) help other ship in the same TF to unload. This simulates them using their organic landing craft (or maybe for smaller vessels the ship itself) to go ferry cargo for the ships still unloading.

So, what and when to break out is something to consider based on the circumstances.

Hi all, IIRC only APA/AKA assist other ships unloading...

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/10/2012 5:11:29 PM   
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August 11, 12 :
Gilberts Invaded !!
Numerous sweeps on 12th in southern Australia

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft;

Subs:
S30 puts a TT into DD Uzuki after the SBDs hit her (sunk)

CVs: Mine are ALL off Gilberts, that includes 2 Brit CVs and CVL Hermes.
quote:

Makin at 136,124 (one hex NW on 12th)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 17

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
DD Yuzuki, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Uzuki, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Kikuzuki, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage


India/Burma:

China: -
Yenan - 0 Sally hit the AF daily

the daily ground bb attacks continue at 85, 43 (2 hexes due west of Loyang on trail)

Sian -
11th - 23 Oscar and 12 Ann = 4b, 3r; 7 Oscar and 6 Sonia = 1b, 8r;

Wenchow -
11th - 13 Ann and 14 Lily = 3b, 14r; 12 Sonia = 1s, 4r;
12th - 18 Ann, 23 Lily, 21 Sonia = 3s, 7r;

Australia:
Adelaide -
11th - 38(5) sweep vs 30(1) Kittyhawk, 24(3) P-39s, 14(1) P-40s; this is followed by 35(3) Oscar and 29(7) Sally vs 23(2) Kittyhawk, 11 P-39s, 9(1) P-40s = 4b, 10r;
12th - 42(3) Tojo vs 22(3) Kittyhawk, 6 P-39s, 10(1) P-40s;

quote:

Ground combat at Alice Springs (74,143) on 11th

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 814 troops, 4 guns, 39 vehicles, Assault Value = 30

Defending force 4164 troops, 17 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 119

Japanese adjusted assault: 4

Allied adjusted defense: 311

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 77 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
16th Recon Regiment

Defending units:
Prajoda Garrison Battalion
2/2nd Ind Coy
19th Australian Battalion
4th RAAF Base Force

I left a decent amount of supply here.


Mildura -
12th - 37 Tojo sweep

Wagga Wagga -
12th - 37(3) Tojo vs 25(1) P-40s; 4(1) Tojo vs 12(2) P-40s;

Sydney -
12th - 36(1) Zero vs 21(2) P-40s;

Newcastle -
12th - 25 Zero, 12 Nick, 27(2) Nell = Heavy Industry hits 18; 36(1) Betty = Heavy Industry hits 8;

Two Aussie and one Brit fighter air groups (16 planes each) arrive at Melbourne.

South Pacific:
Tanna -
11th - 3 Zero vs 60 B-17s & 6 LB-30s = 2b, 6r; 2 Zero vs 14 B-17s = 1r; 15 B-17s = 1s, 1r;

Central Pacific: Landings at Tarawa, Abemama, and Tabiteuea on 12th

quote:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarawa at 136,128, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Yayoi
DD Uzuki
DD Kikuzuki, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Yuzuki, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB North Carolina
CL Boise
CL Nashville
DD Wilson
DD Lang
DD Porter
DD Selfridge
DD Phelps
DD Balch

Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 0% moonlight: 3,000 yards

You would think that I should have blown them all out of the water. There was no moonlight and the Allied warships have poor night experience at this point. All are now mid-50s to 40 for a DD.


ALL attacks on 12th
quote:

Ground combat at Abemama (136,130)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 5080 troops, 65 guns, 50 vehicles, Assault Value = 191

Defending force 197 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 77

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 77 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Abemama !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
256 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
1st Marine/C Div /1
2nd Marine Raider Bn /1
13th MAG /1
11th US Naval Const Bn /1
23rd Port Maint Engr Bn /1

Defending units:
II/84th Naval Guard Unit

Work to expand the AF will begin immediately. An Air HQ is loading at Pearl for here. I didn't have enough follow up forces off the various bases. Another lesson learned.

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Ground combat at Tabiteuea (137,134)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 12607 troops, 112 guns, 141 vehicles, Assault Value = 425

Defending force 1873 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 34

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 339

Japanese adjusted defense: 6

Allied assault odds: 56 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Tabiteuea !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
821 casualties reported
Squads: 27 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
135 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Assaulting units:
2nd Marine Div /4
26th Port Maint Engineer Battalion
14th MAG
318th Base Group /1
I US Corps
3rd Marine Defense Battalion
6th US Naval Const Bn /1
7th US Naval Const Bn /1

Defending units:
III/84th Naval Guard Unit
I/84th Naval Guard Unit
II/81st Naval Guard Unit
2nd JNAF Coy

The AF will be expanded and a deliberate attack ordered for tomorrow. More supplies and the rest of the support for each unit left to be unloaded.

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Ground combat at Tarawa (136,128)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7346 troops, 150 guns, 85 vehicles, Assault Value = 308

Defending force 6736 troops, 45 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 158

Allied adjusted assault: 54

Japanese adjusted defense: 272

Allied assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 3)


Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
973 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 63 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 15 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 13 (3 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 20 (20 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1691 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 227 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 18 disabled
Guns lost 20 (1 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
1st Marine/A Div /1
1st Marine/B Div /1
9th Port Maint Engr Bn /1
12th MAG
1st Marine Def Bn /1
13th US Naval Const Bn /1
14th US Naval Const Bn /1
15th Base Group /2

Defending units:
41st Naval Guard Unit
42nd Naval Guard Unit
43rd Naval Guard Unit
1st JNAF Coy
26th JNAF AF Unit

My major lesson is here. I did not expect him to have as much as he did (I didn't recon the base beforehand as I wanted surprise). I landed with 2/3 of my Marine division (the other 1/3 went to Abemama), but came ashore with the follow up forces (BF, engineers, CD) and not enough combat power to take the base quickly (No FA, tanks, more infantry, and/or combat engineers). Afterwards, I looked at what I have prepping for Makin and increased the combat power to make it overwhelming, I hope.

I have ordered the SC TF to become a BB TF to hit the base, ordered my SBDs and Avengers to have a secondary mission of attacking the troops, changed the leaders of the two parts of the Marines as I have high disablement and fatigue in the 80s (no disruption), and stopped unloading as I don't want to trigger another shock attack for the next two days while my troops rest and recover. The AV is down to 119.


Notes:
quote:

Hi Michael,

Wow! That came out of nowhere! I got a signint report indicating heavy radio signal near Tabituea yesterday, but it was dismissed as unreliable. Most of my naval search was looking to the west. Very interesting development, I have to plan my response now.

Enjoy!!!
Nick
Looks like I got the element of surprise on my side here. Now, I need to not waste it.


My American CVs are next to Tarawa and have CAP at 50% with 20% on LRCAP over invasion TF. The Brit are still down near Tabiteua. I hope to get an AF up to level 1 in a few days. Multiple fighter and SBDs are at Canton Island. So, I have the follow up air force already waiting.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/10/2012 9:26:31 PM   
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I have pulled this move off twice but much more methodically taking Tabetituea to a level 6(3)air base first and start bombing/recon Tarawa. However, for a little risk this is a great blitzkrieg and I suspect you will seize the inititive ....



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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/13/2012 11:29:09 AM   
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August 13, 14, 15 :
Gilberts invaded with three of four bases captured!!

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft;

Subs:
quote:

Sub attack near Truk at 114,112 (4 hexes due SE) On 14th

Japanese Ships
CV Akagi
BB Hiei
CA Mogami
CS Chiyoda
DD Yugumo
DD Inazuma
DD Ikazuchi

Allied Ships
SS Finback

SS Finback launches 6 torpedoes at CV Akagi


2 AMs that just came in as reinforcements at Sydney get one DC hit on I-173 off the SE corner of Australia as they head for Melbourne.

CVs: Mine are still off Gilberts, that includes 2 Brit CVs and CVL Hermes.
They are ordered to fall back to just off Tabiteua on the 16th.

India/Burma:

China: -
Yenan - Up to 28 Sally hit the AF daily

the daily ground bb attacks continue at 85, 43 (2 hexes due west of Loyang on trail)

Wenchow -
14th - 18 Ann, 9 Lily, 9 Sonia = 4b, 2s, 7r; 12 Sonia = 1s, 4r; 14 Lily = 1b, 1s, 9r;
15th - 20 Ann and 23 Lily = 2b, 21r;

Sian -
15th - 23 Oscar with 12 Ann =2s, 4r; 7 Oscar with 6 Sonia = 3b, 1s, 5r;

Australia:
Adelaide -
13th - 33(3) Tojo vs 28(4) Kittyhawk, 16(1) P-39s, 24(1) P-40s; then another 40(1) Tojo vs 15(1) Kittyhawkm 10 P-39s, 17(2) P-40s;
14th - 34(3) Tojo vs 21(1) Kittyhawk, 5 P-39s, 7(1) P-40s; those pilots that drink too much sake come in later 3(1) Tojo vs 7 Kittyhawk, 4 P-39s, 4 P-40s;

Wagga Wagga -
13th - 27(4) Tojo vs 18(1) P-40s; 31(1) Zero escort in 19 Nell to find only 7(1) P-40s left on CAP = 18b, 1s, 55r; the third wave consist of 35 Oscar, 41 Tojo, and 45 Helen vs just 2(1) P-40 = 17b, 2s, 30r; 28 Zero with 36 Betty easily sweep aside the 2 P-40s and hit the AF = 9b, 2s, 10r;

In response to these attacks, all my medium bombers here (B-18s and B-26s) are sent to Aukland. While the AF is hit hard, the bombers sustain no damage. They can return to Australia as needed or be sent to the Gilberts.

South Pacific:
A small TF of transports leave Wellington for Tasmania with fuel. They have troop capacity and may be used to move a few BFs over to Hobart from Melbourne.

Central Pacific:
Tarawa -
quote:

Night Naval bombardment of Tarawa at 136,128 on 13th

Allied Ships
BB North Carolina
CL Nashville
CL Boise
DD Balch
DD Phelps
DD Selfridge
DD Porter
DD Lang
DD Wilson

Japanese ground losses:
411 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 23
Port hits 12
Port supply hits 5

While I'm learning about how to conduct an invasion of an atoll, the importance of using BB TF is becoming clear. The casualties are nice along with base damage, but a very important unseen (doesn't show up in combat reports) thing is the amount of disruption the ground units sustain. You need to get that high to be able to conduct a successful ground attack.

This TF stays for one more day and uses their little remaining ammo to hit the base on the 14th before heading east towards Palmrya.


13th - 9(4) Zero escort in 9(5) Betty to hit my shipping. Too bad for him, I have 23 F4F-3 and 70 F4F-4 on LRCAP. Only ONE Betty makes it into launch position and she misses on BB Warspite.

quote:

Afternoon Air attack on 42nd Naval Guard Unit, at 136,128 (Tarawa)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 11
F4F-4 Wildcat x 64
SBD-3 Dauntless x 204
TBF-1 Avenger x 85

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
623 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (2 destroyed, 5 disabled)


14th -
quote:

Afternoon Air attack on 42nd Naval Guard Unit, at 136,128 (Tarawa)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 20
F4F-4 Wildcat x 59
SBD-3 Dauntless x 204
TBF-1 Avenger x 85

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
281 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


15th - Unloading is ordered to continue, thus allowing another shock attack to take place. Allied HQ is nervous after the first attacks results.

quote:

Afternoon Air attack on 26th JNAF AF Unit , at 136,128 (Tarawa)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 20
F4F-4 Wildcat x 56
SBD-3 Dauntless x 204
TBF-1 Avenger x 85

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
281 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


quote:

Ground combat at Tarawa (136,128)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 8578 troops, 169 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 162

Defending force 5125 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 72

Allied adjusted assault: 44

Japanese adjusted defense: 11

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0


Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
920 casualties reported
Squads: 64 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (8 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
502 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st Marine/A Division
1st Marine/B Division
14th US Naval Construction Battalion
15th Base Group
12th MAG
9th Port Maint Engineer Battalion
13th US Naval Construction Battalion
1st Marine Def Bn /1

Defending units:
41st Naval Guard Unit
42nd Naval Guard Unit
43rd Naval Guard Unit
1st JNAF Coy
26th JNAF AF Unit

A BB TF hitting the base two days in a row and three days of ground attacks from my American CVs have done wonders. His Adjust AV went from 272 to 11. I will need a few days of rest before the final attack takes place as my Marines are not in great shape.


Tabiteuea -
quote:

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16359 troops, 238 guns, 148 vehicles, Assault Value = 458

Defending force 1274 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Allied adjusted assault: 805

Japanese adjusted defense: 2

Allied assault odds: 402 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1694 casualties reported
Squads: 45 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 101 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 3

Assaulting units:
2nd Marine Division
I US Corps
318th Base Group
14th MAG
3rd Marine Defense Battalion
6th US Naval Construction Battalion
26th Port Maint Engineer Battalion
7th US Naval Construction Battalion

Defending units:
I/84th Naval Guard Unit
II/81st Naval Guard Unit
2nd JNAF Coy


Notes:
Gilberts status -
Tabiteuea has 10429 supply, AF 1(3) 56%, 95 fighters, 57 SBDs (this base is in good shape and my CVs will move to one hex NE of it. If he wants to bring KB over here, he will be in trouble)
Nonouti has 7139 supply, AF 1(2) 61%, 12 PBYs, but ONLY 9 Aviation Support (an Air HQ with 72 Aviation Support is loading at Palmrya)
Abemama has 5354 supply, AF 0(2) 83% with 79 Aviation Support
Tarawa is still in enemy hands and my troops are down to just enough supplies for one deliberate attack. The shock attack showed his troops have no more Assault Value, so they should be defeated in two days after my troops rest. My Marines are hurting as 1 Mar/A is down to 13 AV while 1 Mar/B is better at 87 AV. The Amphib TF is pulled back to be off Tabiteuea with the CVs for a few days. The problem will be getting needed supplies ashore after capture and not to lose too many xAK/xAKLs in the process.

My empty transports have left or will be leaving the Gilberts for Palmrya and eventually Pearl. Thankfully, this was an uncontested series of invasions as I will bring more for the next invasion. Those old, slow BBs will be great floating artillery to disrupt his troops.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/13/2012 3:51:26 PM   
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Nice results on those invasions! I think you are getting a reaction from him - Akagi and co. were four hexes from Truk in a direction aimed at the Gilberts. That corresponds with the amount of movement KB would make in the night phase at mission speed, as they sortie from Truk.

I am not sure what benefit you are expecting from Abemama for your CV TFs. A level one field cannot launch anything offensive and can only do local CAP. Are you expecting to reach Level 2 within a couple of days? That is about all it will take for KB to show up.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/13/2012 4:03:22 PM   
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quote:

I am not sure what benefit you are expecting from Abemama for your CV TFs. A level one field cannot launch anything offensive and can only do local CAP. Are you expecting to reach Level 2 within a couple of days? That is about all it will take for KB to show up.


She went to level 1 last turn and I moved in 2 P-39 groups and my PBY-5A group. Hopefully, I'll see him coming. The Canadian Hurricane moved from Baker to Tabiteuea to take their spot. Three short legged groups are loading at Christmas for Canton and then they will use Baker as a way point to get here. MY CVs have gone to expecting KB attack mode - CAP 50%, SBD on 10% search, and secondary attack still remains Tarawa.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/13/2012 4:04:15 PM   
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Very nice work in the Gilberts, Micheal!

Are additional engineers en route?



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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/13/2012 4:11:43 PM   
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Eddie - most of the base have two Naval Construction there plus what the BFs have.
Tabiteuea has 111 Engineers and 36 Engineer Vehicles.
Nonouti has 78 Engineers and 36 Engineer Vehicles.
Abemama has 57 Engineers and 14 Engineer Vehicles.
Tarawa has 86 Engineers and 30 Engineer Vehicles, but they are not full strength.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/13/2012 4:19:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

quote:

I am not sure what benefit you are expecting from Abemama for your CV TFs. A level one field cannot launch anything offensive and can only do local CAP. Are you expecting to reach Level 2 within a couple of days? That is about all it will take for KB to show up.


She went to level 1 last turn and I moved in 2 P-39 groups and my PBY-5A group. Hopefully, I'll see him coming. The Canadian Hurricane moved from Baker to Tabiteuea to take their spot. Three short legged groups are loading at Christmas for Canton and then they will use Baker as a way point to get here. MY CVs have gone to expecting KB attack mode - CAP 50%, SBD on 10% search, and secondary attack still remains Tarawa.

Ooops! I meant to say Tabituea, where you were moving your carriers. [Too many exotic names in this part of the world!]
I hope he gives you that couple of days to reach level 2.


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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/13/2012 4:23:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Eddie - most of the base have two Naval Construction there plus what the BFs have.
Tabiteuea has 111 Engineers and 36 Engineer Vehicles.
Nonouti has 78 Engineers and 36 Engineer Vehicles.
Abemama has 57 Engineers and 14 Engineer Vehicles.
Tarawa has 86 Engineers and 30 Engineer Vehicles, but they are not full strength.



Okie doke... Boy , your opponent has to be feeling a kick in the pants.

Putting on my master of the obvious cap , getting a foothold in CentPac this early should be a real thorn for Japan as it upsets the whole plan for digging in defensively.





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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/13/2012 4:41:29 PM   
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Eddie - I hope to move into the Marshall through the rest of 42 with a possibility to go back for the Luganville area, if it remains not too built up.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/13/2012 10:21:13 PM   
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Nice job, if you can stop the Japanese from "setting" then you can start to build momentum and roll him...

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/14/2012 4:31:50 AM   
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Nice job, if you can stop the Japanese from "setting" then you can start to build momentum and roll him...

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There is still the little problem of preventing him from taking the rest of Oz, and then trying to take it back. He has a little too much there to treat it as an island to be cut off and turned into a POW camp.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/14/2012 6:41:45 AM   
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Looks pretty positive and would REALLY like to read what he thinks of all this!


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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/14/2012 8:15:06 AM   
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As an Australian I hate to say this but the place isn't that relevant except as a place to base operations into the DEI / Philipines from. If you can clean out the CENTPAC without loosing a major CV battle you have a nice forward base for subsand raiders while sitting astride a fair bit of the resupply route which forces him to attack your prepared positions, rather than you attack his...

Loose your CV cover though and it could be quite messy...


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Nice job, if you can stop the Japanese from "setting" then you can start to build momentum and roll him...

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There is still the little problem of preventing him from taking the rest of Oz, and then trying to take it back. He has a little too much there to treat it as an island to be cut off and turned into a POW camp.



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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/14/2012 1:52:05 PM   
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Yeah, jrcar, I was thinking mostly of the VPs the Japanese would get for Sydney and Melbourne. And eliminating Austalia would make the Centpac/Northern routes fairly predictable. A Burma offensive is possible but it takes a long time to build up the strength needed.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/14/2012 5:59:04 PM   
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I have 7 divisions in southern Australia and they would retreat into those two main bases. Melbourne just reached Forts 5 and has 200k supply along with lots of engineers. Sydney has started to work on level 7 Forts and has 400k supply. They could hold out for significant time. A while agao we discussed him already triggering the Emergency Reinforcements and I get the airframes and devices now, but the troops are headed back to Cape Town and Aden. If he goes further south again, I can deploy them.

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I think it is TOO late for him to realistically take all of Australia. I did it by landing WAY south in late-March so I got Sydney almost immediately.


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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/14/2012 7:48:21 PM   
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I have 7 divisions in southern Australia and they would retreat into those two main bases. Melbourne just reached Forts 5 and has 200k supply along with lots of engineers. Sydney has started to work on level 7 Forts and has 400k supply. They could hold out for significant time. A while agao we discussed him already triggering the Emergency Reinforcements and I get the airframes and devices now, but the troops are headed back to Cape Town and Aden. If he goes further south again, I can deploy them.

Doh! [Homer headslap here]
I forgot about the accidental trigger and backtrack. Reading so many AARs I lose track!
I agree with John 3rd - if he hasn't crossed the line and pushed you into corners by now, he will not be able to succeed, even with your normal reinforcements.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/14/2012 8:07:43 PM   
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I have not played this particular scenario but the fact that ny59giants is blitzkrieging the Gilberts and threatens the Marshall's I suspect will upset the IJ ant hill .. it will be interesting if the game sets a limit on radio traffic messages or if the algorithum simply reports some random percentage/place of activity because my next thought is the IJ will start a huge redeployment campaign moving stuff around ..

This is still '42 .. and I am assuming the Allied 4E stuff is not too far off the Scenario #1 OOB? If so, soon .. very soon, 4E's will be interdicting Truk ..

Wat to go NY59Giants for pushing the big bowl of jelly reverberating throughout the empire!

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/16/2012 10:44:23 AM   
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August 16, 17, 18 :
Tarawa falls!!
Keeping CVs stationary for too long can cost you!?!

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft;

Subs:
16th & 17th -
18th -
I-26 is hit once by DC off Tabiteuea

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Sub attack near Nonouti at 137,133

Japanese Ships
SS I-21

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, Torpedo hits 1 13-17(9)-0-0
CA Minneapolis
CL St. Louis
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Preston
DD Smith
DD Mahan

SS I-21 launches 6 torpedoes at CV Lexington


I-28 if 8 hexes west of Palmrya and sink an APD with t TT hits.

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Sub attack near Nonouti at 137,133

Japanese Ships
SS I-21, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 1 22-19(13)-0-0
CA Vincennes
CL Hobart
CLAA San Juan
DD Lardner
DD Hull
DD Dewey
DD Tucker

SS I-21 launches 6 torpedoes at CV Yorktown

I reply to Nick with the need to give the captain of I-21 a promotion and 30 days shore leave. I've had this lesson before and I was reminded again, "don't allow your CVs to be stationary." Both will easily make Pearl, unless I run over another sub.


I-20 is hit twice by an ASW TF off Melbourne

CVs: Mine are still in Gilberts, that includes 2 Brit CVs and CVL Hermes.


India/Burma:
This theater has been quite for too long, but it will become very active as soon as the Monsoon season ends in two months. Right now, I have 2 airgroups (25 planes each) at Bombay training up P-38E with a third is finishing filling out with the new P-38F (all part of the 51st FG). Meanwhile, over at Delhi the three Chinese Corp continue to suck up all the Chinese Rifle squads (I've turn off these replacement for troops in China for the last few weeks) and their combined AV is now at 1574.

China: -
Yenan - Up to 23 Sally hit the AF daily

the daily ground bb attacks continue at 85, 43 (2 hexes due west of Loyang on trail)

Sian -
16th - 23 Oscar with 12 Ann = 1s, 3r; 7 Oscar & 6 Sonia = 2b, 4r;
17th - 22 Oscars with 12 Ann = 1s, 1r; 8 Oscar & 6 Sonia = 4r;

Wenchow -
16th - 20 Lily = 3b, 2s, 13r;
17th - 7 Sally & 5 Lily = 1b, 7r; 20 Lily = 1b, 1s, 5r;

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Ground combat at Wenchow (89,58) on 17th

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 73187 troops, 606 guns, 132 vehicles, Assault Value = 2272

Defending force 13632 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 408

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 1559

Allied adjusted defense: 751

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2075 casualties reported
Squads: 54 destroyed, 128 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 11 (3 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1242 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 90 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
110th Division
35th Division
27th Division
15th Division
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
36th Division

Defending units:
100th Chinese Corps
25th Group Army


18th - 15 Sally & 24 Lily vs troops = 0 c;

Ichang -
18th - 30 Oscar, 12 Ann, 6 Sonia = 3b, 4s, 7r;

Australia:
Melbourne -
16th - 27(9) Zero sweep in to find 25 P-39s & 25(1) P-40s; a second group of 36(7) Zero sweep in to find 20(1) P-39s & 18(1) P-40s; total losses for the day are 26 Zeros (20 in A2A and 6 to ops) while I lose 6 planes and only 1 pilot.

Adelaide -
16th - 42 Tojo sweep an empty sky;

South Pacific:
Noumea -
18th - 31 Zero on CAP vs 87 17E = 4 Nells destroyed, 22b, 5s, 76r; 18 more B-17s hit the AF in three small strikes and don't cause any more damage

Vava'u - 10 small xAKLs and 3 small TKs are loading here and then will head for Gilberts via Canton Island

Central Pacific:
Tarawa -
16th - 17 Martlet II, 20 F4F-3 Wildcat, 204 SBD-3 Dauntless, 85 TBF-1 Avenger = 606c;
18th - 8(1) Zero are on LRCAP as 16(1) Martlet II, 31 F4F-3 Wildcat, 93 F4F-4 Wildcat, and 136 SBD-3 Dauntless = 243c;

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Ground combat at Tarawa (136,128) on 18th

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 6156 troops, 101 guns, 70 vehicles, Assault Value = 145

Defending force 3590 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

Allied adjusted assault: 26

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 26 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Tarawa !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1391 casualties reported
Squads: 48 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 17 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 22 (18 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
91 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st Marine/A Division
1st Marine/B Division
9th Port Maint Engineer Battalion
1st Marine Defense Battalion
15th Base Group
13th US Naval Construction Battalion
12th MAG
14th US Naval Construction Battalion

Defending units:
42nd Naval Guard Unit
43rd Naval Guard Unit
41st Naval Guard Unit
1st JNAF Coy
26th JNAF AF Unit

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41st Naval Guard Unit Wiped Out at Tarawa by attrition!!!

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42nd Naval Guard Unit Wiped Out at Tarawa by attrition!!!

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43rd Naval Guard Unit Wiped Out at Tarawa by attrition!!!


Gilberts -
Tarawa - 1921 supply, 140 AV, Port damage at 55, 45 P-39s. A Minelaying TF with 480 mines will lay them in the next day or two (I expect a BB TF and maybe KB to hit here once my CVs leave). The transports with supplies are ordered up from off Tabiteuea. My CVs will stay for another two or max three days and then head for Pearl. I want the xAPs to finish unloading and then leave some xAKs with only supplies to remain.

Abemama - 8655 supply, AF 1(2) 52%, 12 PBY-5A, 16 Kittyhawks

Nonouti - 10407 supply, AF 2(2) 19% (transports with an Air HQ is three days out)

Tabiteuea - 14416 supply, AF 2(3) 76%, 73 fighters, 37 SBDs

Follow up forces to maximize the bases here are gathering. IMO, it will be through Sept for me to expand the bases enough to move forward. Troops already prepping for Makin. An F-4 recon will be shifted up here to check out what is around me.

North Pacific:
Landings on 16th at Attu and falls to Japan on 17th

Notes:
A steady flow of air units and troops should be headed for the Gilberts over the next month as I get ready to move into the Marshalls. The big question will be how does Nick respond to this new threat in a few days once he sees my CVs leave. I have 135 fighters in the Gilberts with 300 in South Pacific that can transfer in via Canton in a few days. Another Army fighter group and two more F4F are headed for Canton. Right now I need to expand bases and get more Aviation Support there. I have the bombers nearby training.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/16/2012 10:51:20 AM   
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If he comes crashing in with the KB will you seek battle or withdraw? Very curious to see your CV setup in action!

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/16/2012 10:55:52 AM   
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Crackerace - I have 9 BSs of B-17Es at Suva (108 planes). At Pearl, I have a BG (48 planes) filling out with B-17Fs (since I only get two months worth, this group may not see action till late Sept) and another with B-24s (needs another 15 planes) that will go to the Gilberts once Tabiteuea is built up to AF 5. I get another B-24 BG with 32 of 48 planes in 4 days in USA.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/16/2012 12:21:21 PM   
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Yeah, jrcar, I was thinking mostly of the VPs the Japanese would get for Sydney and Melbourne. And eliminating Austalia would make the Centpac/Northern routes fairly predictable. A Burma offensive is possible but it takes a long time to build up the strength needed.



I like this idea of activity in the theater even if the attack is only a threat or feint it may keep him honest.

Do you know the rough numbers he has in Northern Burma bases Micheal?



On another note praise the lord for USN damage control. Just for reference what are your normal escort numbers in the CVTFs?

While you're limping home maybe the use of DBs and TBs on the CVs using low naval search /ASW in combination with a safe route will avoid further attacks?


Again, good work!

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[Crackaces] - I have 9 BSs of B-17Es at Suva (108 planes). At Pearl, I have a BG (48 planes) filling out with B-17Fs (since I only get two months worth, this group may not see action till late Sept) and another with B-24s (needs another 15 planes) that will go to the Gilberts once Tabiteuea is built up to AF 5. I get another B-24 BG with 32 of 48 planes in 4 days in USA.


It will be very interesting to watch the deployment of aircraft base support and how things unfold. I understand this scenario is quite different in that regard. But, it looks like the forces are availiable to rain hell on earth . I suspect the IJ will start reacting, and making decisions. Each decision provides the opportunity to be a bad one.



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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/16/2012 7:37:27 PM   
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Double posting. The next one is more important.

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A nice addition to the fleet last turn. She is not a New Jersey Class BB, but she will help out tremendously. Washington arrives in 7 days to give me three modern BBs. Time to find base to bombarded to raise the low night experience level before she gets into a night time surface combat. Multiple large AEs have been moved forward just for the 'big boys.'




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You already know this NY59Giants but just to make conversation in the thread ... Those bases in the Marshall's that have shore batteries make great targets for the modern BB's .. unlike the prewar bemouths ....just in case the Betty's come calling they can at full speed make it back to the safety of aircover and get the boys mixing it up while reducing the fort units along with runways and ports .. I got a hefty experince bonus in my current game blasting these targets as well as lot's of grumbling in the email ..

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 11/16/2012 9:52:00 PM   
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You already know this NY59Giants but just to make conversation in the thread ... Those bases in the Marshall's that have shore batteries make great targets for the modern BB's .. unlike the prewar bemouths ....just in case the Betty's come calling they can at full speed make it back to the safety of aircover and get the boys mixing it up while reducing the fort units along with runways and ports .. I got a hefty experince bonus in my current game blasting these targets as well as lot's of grumbling in the email ..


My plans from the beginning was to use my modern fast BBs (speed 27 or better), the Porter Class DDs (most guns of the older DDs), the Cleveland Class CLs (always been a "Big Bad Boise" fanboy ), and the Fletcher Class DDs in SC TF hunter/killer groups. I have to find the best size for a TF (thinking 2 BBs with 6 to 8 DDs OR 2 to 4 Cleveland CLs with 6 to 8 DDs). I just realized I need to get their experience levels up before I can do this and doing what you did is a great way. I think after I build up the Gilberts in the next few months, it will safe to put some support ships (AE or AKE) at Tabiteuea and start their "training." Two "training" TFs should be enough as I can rotate ships in and out. Right now, two of the three large AEs are in the Canton/Christmas Island area. I will convert some of the Harriman xAKs to AKEs for the non-BBs ships.

Edit - Logistics is not a problem for me as I have just gone over 2 million supply at Pearl. Fuel is only at 800k.

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