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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/2/2012 5:57:15 AM   
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Hey Michael,

Your "Daily siege" raids - how are you handling fatigue? Are you rotating units or flying something like 60/40 Attack/Rest?

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/2/2012 10:32:02 AM   
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Mike,

I'm the one getting the daily 'siege' runs against my troops.

Normally, I try to build up a base as close as possible to cut down on distance and op losses. When an air unit gets below 70 morale, I rest them.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/2/2012 11:43:00 AM   
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May 19, 20, 21,:
Manila Falls!!
Major tank battle at Bourke

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft;

Subs:
20th - 4 failed attacks by Allied subs around Australia vs one failed Japanese attacks. I don't include these type of attacks unless a ship or sub is hit.

CVs:
My 5 American CVs leave Wellington on 21st to escort in my major reinforcement efforts for southern Australia (Melbourne).

India/Burma:

China:
Yenan - up to 31 Sally hits AF daily;

Sieges:
Batavia - 13 Nells & 9 Lily hit AF daily;

Manila - up to 57 Lily/Sally hit mainly troops vs AF daily;
quote:

Night Naval bombardment of Manila at 79,77 on 21st

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
CA Atago
DD Tatsuyuke
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Amatsukaze
DD Hatsukaze

Allied ground losses:
397 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 52 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Manpower hits 8
Repair Shipyard hits 1
Resources hits 1
Light Industry hits 2
Fires 2285
Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 49
Port hits 12
Port fuel hits 4


quote:

Ground combat at Manila (79,77) on 21st

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 34951 troops, 436 guns, 491 vehicles, Assault Value = 1001

Defending force 43579 troops, 390 guns, 123 vehicles, Assault Value = 604

Japanese adjusted assault: 972

Allied adjusted defense: 239

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Manila !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
O-47A: 2 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1092 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 62 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 38 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
50948 casualties reported
Squads: 1808 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1703 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 126 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 425 (425 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 153 (153 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 32

Assaulting units:
23rd Division
3rd Ind Engineer Regiment
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
10th Garrison Unit
14th Division
21st Ind Engineer Regiment
7th Tank Regiment
48th Field AA Battalion
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
14th Army
45th Field AA Battalion
6th RF Gun Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
5th Fleet
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th RF Gun Battalion
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
4th Marine Regiment
57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
1st PA Infantry Division
31st Infantry Regiment
31st PA Infantry Division
4th PA Constabulary Regiment
1st PA Constabulary Regiment
71st PA Infantry Division
91st PA Infantry Division
2nd PA Constabulary Regiment
51st PA Infantry Division
102nd PA Infantry Division
45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
41st PA Infantry Division
2nd PA Constblry HW Regiment
803rd Aviation Engineer Battalion
88th PS Field Artillery Regiment
200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment
194th Tank Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
Clark Field AAF Base Force
21st PA Infantry Division
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
Nichols Field AAF Base Force
14th PS Engineer Regiment
Far East USAAF
II Philippine Corps
Asiatic Fleet
PAF Aviation
USAFFE
Cavite USN Base Force
301st Construction Battalion

This siege lasted a lot longer than I expected. He did one thing right, he didn't get his troops to suffer high disablement during the siege. Now, where will those two divisions plus lots of artillery go?? Burma, Australia, or where??


Western Australia:
Perth -
19th - 10 Zero & 29(1) Sally = 5b, 1s, 12r; 4 Zero & 27 Sally = 3b, 7r;
20th - 14 Zero & 26 Sally = 2b, 5s, 21r; 27 Sally = 1s, 23r;
21st - 14 Zero & 30 Sally = 114c on CD unit; 27 Sally = 89c;

Eastern Australia:
Newcastle - on 19th the Heavy Industry is attacked; 31 Sally & 54 Helen = Heavy Industry hits 10; 23 Helen = Heavy Industry hits 3;

Alice Springs - up to 11 Hudson from this base attack the Recon unit one hex out daily;

Broken Hills - I happen to have a BF moving from Alice Springs to Sydney for an upgrade be there the same turn Nick drops some paras in the hex.
quote:

Ground combat at Broken Hill (80,160) on 19th

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 352 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

Defending force 1089 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Japanese adjusted assault: 4

Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /1

Defending units:
11th RAAF Base Force

20th - another para unit arrives and suffers a 4:24 combat result due to 6th Aus Cav Bde arriving in Strategic Mode

Bourke -
20th - 31 Oscar & 54(1) Helen attack one of my Cav Bde = 56c; 27 Helen = 66 c; 13 Oscars with 31 Sally & 36 Helen = 180 c;
21st - a major tank battle occurs and the Allies take a severe hit.
quote:

Ground combat at Bourke (86,160) on 21st

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 31489 troops, 249 guns, 539 vehicles, Assault Value = 1154

Defending force 13061 troops, 98 guns, 646 vehicles, Assault Value = 475

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 906

Allied adjusted defense: 217

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Bourke !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
943 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 84 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 61 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Vehicles lost 201 (61 destroyed, 140 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3264 casualties reported
Squads: 123 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 396 destroyed, 51 disabled
Engineers: 31 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 65 (60 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 561 (532 destroyed, 29 disabled)
Units retreated 11
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
10th Tank Regiment
5th Guards Cav Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
6th Guards Division
4th Tank Regiment
6th Tank Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
16th Guards Regiment
15th Guards Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
5th Guards Engineer Regiment
1st Tank Regiment
17th Indpt Guards Regiment

Defending units:
Torres Strait Battalion
2/10th Armoured Regiment
2/9th Armoured Regiment
4th Aus Cav Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
2/1st Ind Coy
2/5th Armoured Regiment
2nd Aus Cav Brigade
1st RAAF Base Force
46th Construction Regiment
4th Australian Lt AA Regiment
II US Fighter Cmnd

I have lost months and months worth of tank replacements here. It will take until the fall of '42 before they can be replaced by the bi-monthly to monthly convoys to Cape Town dropping off tanks.


South Pacific:
BIG transport convoys leave Wellington on 21st for Melbourne. I have only 20k worth of fuel left in NZ, but my 6 large AOs are almost full with over 85k in fuel. The convoy should reach Melbourne in about 8 days.

Notes:
Tank vs Tank - I know about the importance of each devices Anti-Armor values, but as the Allied player will I need to wait until a particular tank arrives to take on the Japanese?? Do I need to have the infantry squads upgrade to their '43 version where most have their Anti-Armor values go from 15 to 75??

Southern Australia - What I see happening is Nick staying just above the Emergency Reinforcement line and driving to the west to try to take Broken Hills and then Port Augusta. I don't see him going south to take the rest of Australia until this happens. I might be wrong. I have two full divisions (6th Aussie and 32nd American) plus the last third of the Americal Division in route (arriving in less than 10 days). I have over 175 fighters and multiple bomber groups plus plenty of support troops (BFs). Adelaide is already a size 7 AF, so that will make the skies over Broken Hills dangerous for both sides. I want to make this theater secure, but not devote too much here. However, the 254 & 255 Armor Bde are loading at Karachi for the trip here via Cape Town.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/2/2012 11:51:14 AM   
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Subs and more subs trying to make access to Melbourne expensive. However, I've yet to see any carriers this far south as I've got PBYs on the northern tip of NZ, Hobart (Tasmania), and Sydney which mean a very narrow gap to get through without detection.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/2/2012 12:02:11 PM   
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Logically once he secures Perth he will go all in except garrisons for Port Augusta and assess the situation from there on whether he should go any further. Him going for broke probably hinges on two things :
- How effectively could he start blockading southern Australia without having the whole KB stuck down there for months on end. Is it possible ? If you were him how would you try to do it ? Could Brisbane and Port Augusta be the major AFs from which he could do that ?
- Can he through blockade + Industry bombing get you in a supply crisis in a realistic time frame ? If possible than your forces would suffer from chines style penalties and it might be doable.

If not he should than abstain because the risk is too high of getting stuck in a protracted land battle that could turn very badly if you land on his back of just turn it around.

If I were him after analysing this I would probably decide that the safest route is a slow retreat, and just be happy with all the troops bagged and the slowdown given to the India buildup. At the end of the day Burma is always where doom comes from for the Jap, if this adventure in OZ led you to commit lots of troops there that are not building up the indian army, it might be a good trade off for the Jap.

Thoughts ?

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/2/2012 2:58:10 PM   
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quote:

Notes:
Tank vs Tank - I know about the importance of each devices Anti-Armor values, but as the Allied player will I need to wait until a particular tank arrives to take on the Japanese?? Do I need to have the infantry squads upgrade to their '43 version where most have their Anti-Armor values go from 15 to 75??


A particular unit? I doubt it.I would just look at the tanks that a unit has, plus their experience and leadership. You get tank upgrades in dribs and drabs. You could manage them to get them to chosen units first.

When the squads go to '43 standards they are pretty much no longer afraid of Japanese tanks. I'm not sure that you have to wait. But in general those '43 standard squad upgrades for the various Allies make their infantry quite fearsome.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/4/2012 9:10:20 PM   
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May 22, 23, 24, 25:
Newcastle industry hit and fires started
Paras wiped out at Broken Hill

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft;

Subs:
S-38 hits an xAK with one TT @ Norfolk Island while Graeyback hits another xAK there
I-1 is hit 3x with DCs off Portland (Australia) by Brit DD and Aussie Minsweeper
I-23 misses my small xAKLs bringing resources back from Hilo to Pearl off Kona

CVs:
American CVs four days away from Melbourne with major reinforcement TFs.

India:

China:
Yenan - up to 26 Sally hit AF daily

Philippines:
Cebu - up to 28 Helen & Sally hit AF on 24th and 25th;

Batavia: daily raids on AF by up to 13 Nell & 8 Lily

Western Australia:
Kalgoorlie -
22nd - 42 Oscar sweeps;
23rd - 42 Oscar sweeps;
24th - 42 Oscar with 57 Sally hit AF = 11b, 7s, 43b and 2 Kitty (caught up while training); 22(4) Zero straf the AF (why he does this with his valuable fighters is beyond me)
25th - 42 Oscars sweeps;

Perth -
22nd - 10 Zero with 28 Sally = 93c; (no AF attacks)
23rd - 14 Zero with 58 Sally = 153c; (no AF attacks)
quote:

Ground combat at Perth (49,147) on 23rd

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 54466 troops, 507 guns, 771 vehicles, Assault Value = 2008

Defending force 20507 troops, 330 guns, 219 vehicles, Assault Value = 475

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 990

Allied adjusted defense: 992

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
875 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 88 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 26 (2 destroyed, 24 disabled)
Vehicles lost 63 (5 destroyed, 58 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1548 casualties reported
Squads: 37 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 87 disabled
Engineers: 29 destroyed, 23 disabled
Guns lost 53 (42 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (3 destroyed, 20 disabled)

Assaulting units:
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
9th Infantry Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
20th Infantry Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
48th Division
1st Engineer Co
4th Guards Division
Guards Tank Division

Defending units:
Freemantle Fortress
3rd Australian Brigade
18th British Division
108th Anti Tank Regiment
III Australian
10th Avn Sup Afd
4th RAN Base Force
13th Australian Brigade
1st RAAF M/W Sqn
2/16th Field Regiment
7th RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment

Only a matter of time now.

24th - no attacks
25th - 31 Sally hit troops = 162c; 27 Sally = 139 c; forts back up to 1

Eastern Australia:
SE of Bourke -
22nd - 31 Sally & 54 Helen hit retreating troops = 234c; 62 Helen = 78c;
23rd - 31 Sally & 53 Helen hit by troops again = 184c; 26 Helen = 29c; 36 Helen = 203c;

Alice Springs - up to 18 Hudson continue to bomb the Recon unit one hex NE daily;

Broken Hill -
22nd - paras try a shock attack (2:49); OUCH!
23rd - 64 B-25 & B-26 from Adelaide hit hits paras;
24th - one of two paras is destroyed with attack of 125:1
25th - the last of the paras is destroyed with a 76:1 attack

Newcastle - attacks here tell me he isn't interested in capture of the rest of southern Australia. If he was, he would not be destroying all this industry.
23rd - 27 Betty = Heavy Industry hits 21; 41 Betty = Heavy Industry hits 18; 36 Betty = Heavy Industry hits 25;
25th - 27 Betty = Light Industry hits 3; 35 Betty = Light Industry hits 5; 25 Helen = Manpower hits 4 & Fires 1056; 26 Helen = Manpower hits 6 & Fires 2640; 40 Oscars with 31 Sally & 27 Helen = Manpower hits 26 & Fires 12718; 36 Helen = Manpower hits 13 & Fires 13535;

3 west of Charleville on 24th - 186 Betty in 6 strikes give Newcastle a rest and hit my retreating troops from Cairns and Townsville;

South Pacific:

Notes:
Southern Australia will see transports in four days at Melbourne. I will then have over 250 fighters here. I hope to be able to set a nice CAP/LRCAP around Sydney or Newcastle in over a week.

Fuel & Supply - Thankfully, massive amounts are in route from San Fran. 178k in Supply just to east of Vava'u; 168k in Supply 10 days from Aukland; 89k Fuel in slow AOs 3 days to east of Vava'u; 53k in Fuel 8 South of Christmas; 294k in Fuel 22 hexes south of San Fran (fast TKs & xAKs - 16 or 17 knot); slow TKs and xAKs loading Fuel at San Fran





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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/4/2012 9:12:14 PM   
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Got to LOVE Allied damage control.....

She went up slightly, but is close to safety (Nick has had very, very few subs operating off USA).




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/5/2012 1:26:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Mike,

I'm the one getting the daily 'siege' runs against my troops.

Normally, I try to build up a base as close as possible to cut down on distance and op losses. When an air unit gets below 70 morale, I rest them.


I do this plus rotate. I'm not sure but rotating air groups seems to be better for my pilots. But I don't always have the ability to rotate.

lol - I caught that you were the allies - I was just tired and didn't frame the question right (I get kinda one-dimensional sometimes as I always play Japan <grin>).


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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/6/2012 2:38:04 AM   
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May 26, 27, 28,:
Newcastle industry hit again and fires still rage

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft;

Subs:
S-36 @ Norfolk Island hits an AK with a TT, but later is hit with a DC.
S-45 @ Lord Howe Island get a TT into an AK.

CVs:
American CVs one day out of Melbourne with transports

India/Burma:

China:
Yenan - up to 26 Sally hit AF daily;

Philippines:
Cebu - up to 12 Sally & 16 Helen hit AF daily;

Batavia: up to 13 Nell and 9 Lily hit AF daily

Western Australia:
Kalgoorlie - up to 38 Oscar sweep daily;

Perth -
26th - 9 Zero & 27 Sally = 14b, 3s, 41r; 27 Sally = 72c;
quote:

Ground combat at Perth (49,147) on 26th

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 54479 troops, 527 guns, 785 vehicles, Assault Value = 1967

Defending force 18654 troops, 292 guns, 219 vehicles, Assault Value = 432

Japanese adjusted assault: 839

Allied adjusted defense: 872

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1060 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 104 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Vehicles lost 11 (4 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2639 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 168 destroyed, 82 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 26 disabled
Guns lost 31 (14 destroyed, 17 disabled)
Vehicles lost 50 (33 destroyed, 17 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Imperial Guards Division
48th Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
2nd Tank Regiment
9th Infantry Regiment
1st Engineer Co
20th Infantry Regiment
4th Guards Division
Guards Tank Division
8th RF Gun Battalion

Defending units:
3rd Australian Brigade
18th British Division
2/16th Field Regiment
III Australian
1st RAAF M/W Sqn
10th Avn Sup Afd
7th RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment
108th Anti Tank Regiment
13th Australian Brigade
4th RAN Base Force
Freemantle Fortress

Still holding, but everybody but the 18th UK Div taking more and more losses

27th - 9 Zero & 58 Sally = 9b, 8s, 43r;
28th -

Eastern Australia:
Newcastle -
26th - 41(1) Betty = Heavy Industry hits 13 & Fires 2590; 27 Betty = Fires 2327; 15 Betty = Heavy Industry hits 6 & Fires 2226; 42 Oscars, 31 Sally, & 24 Helen = Manpower hits 14 & Fires 6158; 26 Helen = Manpower hits 4 & Fires 7368; 27 Helen = Manpower hits 4 & Fires 8578; 36 Helen = Manpower hits 11 & Fires 11603; 33 Betty;
27th - 34(1) Betty = Heavy Industry hits 4 & Fires 1687; 20 Betty = Heavy Industry hits 2 & Fires 1821; 36 Zeros; 42 Oscars with 31 Sally & 59 Helen = Manpower hits 81 &
Fires 22312; 25 Helen = Manpower hits 15 & Fires 30333; 27 Helen = Manpower hits 20 &
Fires 38649;
28th - 27 Zero & 52 Betty = Manpower hits 108 & Fires 20875; 27 Betty = Manpower hits 67 & Fires 28091; 25 Helen = Manpower hits 41 & Fires 31605; 31 Sally = Manpower hits 62 & Fires 41957; 42 Oscar & 27 Helen = Manpower hits 24 & Fires 64408; 35 Helen =
Manpower hits 51 & Fires 81980; 36 Betty = Manpower hits 65 & Fires 65464; 36 Zeros sweep;

South Pacific:
Just moving supply and fuel forward

Notes:
BB Pennsylvania arrives at Alameda with damage @ 2-67(64)-11-0 and needs 204 days to repair.

The endless air attacks on my industry in Australia will soon be interrupted.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/6/2012 11:22:11 AM   
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How are the VPs looking after this air assault on the industry in OZ?

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/6/2012 11:47:51 AM   
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I've lost 2702 in Victory Points due to strategic bombing as of 31 May '42. Next turn (which is three days ahead of last posting) will see over 200 fighters contesting the skies over Newcastle. 100 are from the 15PG that was based at Pearl and had been training for months and is flying the P-40E. The rest are P-39s and the Aussie Kittyhawks. I have over 100 P-40E in my pool, about 50 P-39s, and for the Brits up in India over 70 Hurricane IIb. The air war will be heating up soon.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/6/2012 12:47:08 PM   
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quote:

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I've lost 2702 in Victory Points due to strategic bombing as of 31 May '42. Next turn (which is three days ahead of last posting) will see over 200 fighters contesting the skies over Newcastle. 100 are from the 15PG that was based at Pearl and had been training for months and is flying the P-40E. The rest are P-39s and the Aussie Kittyhawks. I have over 100 P-40E in my pool, about 50 P-39s, and for the Brits up in India over 70 Hurricane IIb. The air war will be heating up soon.





Interesting that with this invasion and with the VP industry bombing campaign he still hasn't made it to a 3:1 ratio.

Looking forward to see how this develops as you begin to contest the airspace. P-39s en masse have really stopped me cold a few times, even the KB pilots. But that was more like 150 of them so that about 100 would show up on CAP as I would sweep. As point defense (from my perspective as a Japanese player) I thought they fared better in mid-42 than the P-40E. Either way, though, with that mass of CAP showing up suddenly you will surely cause him some problems.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/6/2012 4:18:13 PM   
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Aussie Turkey Shoot!!

Details to follow, but something to get an AFBs juices flowing.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/6/2012 4:53:06 PM   
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That oughta slow things down for a while!

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/6/2012 6:10:07 PM   
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Oh Lord....i surely wouldn't like to be in Olorin's shoes now...

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/6/2012 6:28:00 PM   
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May 29, 30, 31:
Perth falls SUDDENLY!!
Aussie Turkey Shoot!!

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft;

Subs:
S-37 if just off Norfolk Island and sinks an AK with 2 TT hits.
S-42 get a TT hit on another AK at Norfolk.
S-43 gets another hit on an AK with 1 TT.
KXVIII gets hit once by DCs off Geraldton

I'm trying to see how having some two subs per TF do with a few TFs patroling between Lowe Howe Island and Norfolk Island.

CVs:
American CVs are still at Melbourne guarding the transports

India/Burma:

China:
Yenan - Up to 27 Sally hit AF daily;

Philippines:
Cebu - Up to 25 Sally & Helen hit AF daily

Batavia: Up to 12 Nell and 9 Lily hit AF daily;

Western Australia:
Perth - 58 Sally hit the AF;
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Ground combat at Perth (49,147) on 29th

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 54278 troops, 528 guns, 785 vehicles, Assault Value = 1958

Defending force 16697 troops, 280 guns, 199 vehicles, Assault Value = 400

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 1267

Allied adjusted defense: 66 In three days it goes from an Adjusted Value of 872 to this with only some mild bombing attcks!?! WTF!! I've seen some bad die rolls, but this was a complete surprise. As I watched the replay, I saw the value next to 18th UK just roll downward like a bad odometer.

Japanese assault odds: 19 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Perth !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
729 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 54 disabled
Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 20 (2 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
19843 casualties reported
Squads: 516 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 994 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 186 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 160 (160 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 274 (274 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 11

Assaulting units:
1st Engineer Co
Imperial Guards Division
48th Division
4th Guards Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
20th Infantry Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
9th Infantry Regiment
Guards Tank Division
8th RF Gun Battalion

Defending units:
18th British Division
2/16th Field Regiment
III Australian
7th RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment
108th Anti Tank Regiment
1st RAAF M/W Sqn
3rd Australian Brigade
10th Avn Sup Afd
4th RAN Base Force
13th Australian Brigade
Freemantle Fortress

How do you address such a shock?? Any comments readers??


Kalgoorlie - 38 Oscar sweep on 30th with only 29 on 31st;

Cue (53,141) - para drop in and take this dot base to east of Geraldton on 31st;

Eastern Australia:
Alice Springs - Up to 17 Hudson hit Recon just one hex out daily

Newcastle -
29th - 27 Zero & 53 Betty = Manpower hits 80 & Fires 16409; 27 Betty = Manpower hits 29 & Fires 18155; 49 Helen = Manpower hits 27 & Fires 23798; 42 Oscar & 27 Helen =
Manpower hits 11 & Fires 26174; 31 Sally = Manpower hits 8 & Fires 27956; 34 Helen =
Manpower hits 29 & Fires 33896; 34 Betty = Manpower hits 30 & Fires 35821; 36 Zero sweep;
30th - 36 Zeros sweep; 27 Betty = Manpower hits 28 & Fires 12813; $2 Oscars with 31 Sally & 77 Helen = Manpower hits 116 & Fires 38546; 33 Helen = Manpower hits 24 & Fires 56277; 34(1) Betty = Manpower hits 71 & Fires 54413;
Plenty of unescorted bombers !!
31st - 27(8) Zero with 27(18) Betty vs 15 Kittyhawk, 41 P-39D, 54 P-40E Warhawk; 25(10) Helen vs 13 Kittyhawk, 32 P-39D, 54 P-40E; 42(3) Oscar with 49(22) Helen vs 13 Kittyhawk, 28 P-39D, 51(1) P-40E = Manpower hits 4 & Fires 12091; 31(3) Sally & 35(13) Helen vs 8 Kittyhawk, 18 P-39D, 45 P-40E = Manpower hits 13 & Fires 18471; 33(8) Betty vs 4 Kittyhawk, 13 P-39D, 32 P-40E; and in the afternoon 36(3) Zero sweep vs 14(3) Kittyhawk, 19(2) P-39D, 40(6) P-40E;

Tamworth -
30th - 35 Betty = NO damage; 21(1) Betty = Resources hits 4;
Plenty of unescorted bombers, part 2 !!
31st - 33(12) Betty vs 16 Kittyhawk & 32 P-39; 17(6) Betty vs 14 Kittyhawk & 29 P-39D; 6(3) Betty vs 11 Kittyhawk & 27 P-39D;

South Pacific:

Notes:
A change of emotion from the sudden fall of Perth on 29th to the success of the CAP/LRCAP in Eastern Australia on the 31st (only 4 pilots KIA). Nick had spotted my American CVS, but didn't think of being better prepared when launching air strikes. Now, the true battle for southern Australia will take place.





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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/6/2012 6:38:32 PM   
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quote:

nteresting that with this invasion and with the VP industry bombing campaign he still hasn't made it to a 3:1 ratio.


I do remember Alfred commenting in a thread once that disrupting the Aus HI affects the entire Allied availible HI and eventually production. Not only in the land of oz but total production. Little quirks in how the rounding algorithum works can result in affecting aircraft numbers. Alfred proposed that the disruption of HI in the land of Oz might even be worth triggering the line of death. With the thought of disrupting HI and then moving on .. Here the IJ are attriting HI and avoding the LOD but it looks like they plan to hold this terrotory ..

What will be exteremly intersting to me is how the IJ defend this far from home when NY59Giants starts getting things rolling ... for example, the monsoon season will be over in Burma and the Allies will be able to get things kicked off there while putting pressure on the IJ in other places ..



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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/6/2012 7:39:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

quote:

nteresting that with this invasion and with the VP industry bombing campaign he still hasn't made it to a 3:1 ratio.


I do remember Alfred commenting in a thread once that disrupting the Aus HI affects the entire Allied availible HI and eventually production. Not only in the land of oz but total production. Little quirks in how the rounding algorithum works can result in affecting aircraft numbers. Alfred proposed that the disruption of HI in the land of Oz might even be worth triggering the line of death. With the thought of disrupting HI and then moving on .. Here the IJ are attriting HI and avoding the LOD but it looks like they plan to hold this terrotory ..





it does NOT and I really wonder why this is coming up so many times again and again. The Allied are swimming in HI, it doesn't matter if they lose the Australian and Indian HI alltogether nor do you have to supply it with fuel when it comes down to "producing" anything else than supplies. Probably more than 95% of the Allied ac "production" is coming as replacements, nearly no ac are produced on map. All you need is the HI in the US and even then you only need a small margin. It gives the Japanese some nice points but that's it. The Allied store millions of HI points of which there is no use for.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/6/2012 10:23:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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nteresting that with this invasion and with the VP industry bombing campaign he still hasn't made it to a 3:1 ratio.


I do remember Alfred commenting in a thread once that disrupting the Aus HI affects the entire Allied availible HI and eventually production. Not only in the land of oz but total production. Little quirks in how the rounding algorithum works can result in affecting aircraft numbers. Alfred proposed that the disruption of HI in the land of Oz might even be worth triggering the line of death. With the thought of disrupting HI and then moving on .. Here the IJ are attriting HI and avoding the LOD but it looks like they plan to hold this terrotory ..





it does NOT and I really wonder why this is coming up so many times again and again. The Allied are swimming in HI, it doesn't matter if they lose the Australian and Indian HI alltogether nor do you have to supply it with fuel when it comes down to "producing" anything else than supplies. Probably more than 95% of the Allied ac "production" is coming as replacements, nearly no ac are produced on map. All you need is the HI in the US and even then you only need a small margin. It gives the Japanese some nice points but that's it. The Allied store millions of HI points of which there is no use for.


Because there was a posting where as a player shutdown all industry in Oz to save supply. However, it is my understanding that P-38's produced in Los Angeles where affected and the behavior was attributed to an overall allied HI/Air production rounding algorithum introduced with the shutdown of Oz industry. So the conclusion at the time was shutting down Oz had a very untoward side effect on Allied air production. Maybe software changes since then makes this a moot point? ... I just know that in the beta before this last change I observed this behavior and turned Oz industry back on ... it is quite possible that some other factor I do not understand is involved ..

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/7/2012 2:08:48 PM   
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no software changes, the thinking that destroying/capturing/shutting down of HI in Australia or India affects Allied aircraft production has been wrong since release. Destroying Australian HI gives the Japanese player victory points, nothing else. Shutting down Australian HI saves the Allied player fuel, not supply. Just once look at all the HI in the US and any discussion about it will end in a moment.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/7/2012 2:20:35 PM   
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Here is what my economy looks like after last turn.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/7/2012 3:37:28 PM   
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June 1, 2, 3:
Things slow down....

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft;

Subs:
A damaged KXVIII is off Perth and get a TT hit on an AK

CVs:
American CVs are two days south of Melborne with empty transports heading for NZ
Brit CVs are resting and repairing at Wellington, NZ
Japan's CVs are unknown?!?

India/Burma:
I make a list my divisions present and what the PP cost will be for each. Much of my PPs will head here over the next few months or so.

China:
Yenan - Up to 30 Sally hit AF daily;

By-Passed:
Cebu - Up to 22 Sally/Helen hit AF daily;

Batavia - Up to 11 Nell and 8 Lily hit AF daily;

Australia:
Newcastle - On 1st, 34(10) Zero sweep the base vs 5 Kittyhawk, 18 P-39D, 36(3) P-40E; How the air situation has changed in Australia in less than a week.

Kalgoorlie - 30 Oscars sweep on 1st; 54(1) Sally hit the AF on 3rd = 4b, 6s, 42b

West of Charleville - the 56th Recon shock attacks my retreating Inf Bn on 1st;

East of Bourke - a cut of RAN BF is destroyed by Tank Rgt on 1st;

Meekatharra (dot base in the west) - captured by paras on 1st

Broken Hills -
2nd - 8 Zeros are on LRCAP over three Tank Rgt one hex to east. 65 B-26 & 16 B-25 hit the tanks destroying 3 and disabling a lot!! I lose 2 bombers to the Zeros (CAP from base did not leak over.
3rd - the 9th Tank Rgt makes it to the base, but my re-directed bombers (15 B-25 & 63 B-26) destroy 30 vehicles!! The unit is seen retreating.

South Pacific:
Moving supplies to NZ (two TF a few days out of North and South Island). Need fuel at Aukland/Wellington badly.

Notes:
Screenshot shows what the battle area of Australia will look at over the next few weeks to months. Bourke went to AF 1 last turn. Nick is still in shock per emails over the changes and tells me he will be back once Mr Tojo starts coming out in numbers this month. YIKES!!




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/7/2012 5:52:20 PM   
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Please excuse my blissful ignorance, but I don't play any of the Mods.  Did this scenario began on December 7, 1941 or at some later date?  Is the initial force Order of Battle (OB) historical or does it assume that the Japanese OB and Allied for that matter began at a more advanced state?  (Rhetorical musings) Why am I so resistant to Mods that seem designed to allow the Japanese a real chance of winning outright?  Using historical conditions could the Japanese have even dreamed of actuallly doing more than conquering northern Australia?

Thanks for doing an AAR on this.  You are a skilled and much appreciated player of this game.  I have learned much from your posts elsewhere.  In fact, I have learned more from you on playing the stock WitPAE than any other single poster in the Forum.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/7/2012 6:12:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Here is what my economy looks like after last turn.





Ok I think I took the conversation off track .. I am thinking the problem is aircraft assembly points? And hitting aircraft factories in OZ has a global effect? I have a 174 (+684 rnd) in Oct 42 in my game now .. no allied aircraft factories are getting bombed ... It might be worth tracking aircraft production vs. aircraft factory points indices as the IJ continue to bomb.. inquiriing minds want to know

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/7/2012 6:59:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: princep01

Please excuse my blissful ignorance, but I don't play any of the Mods.  Did this scenario began on December 7, 1941 or at some later date?  Is the initial force Order of Battle (OB) historical or does it assume that the Japanese OB and Allied for that matter began at a more advanced state?  (Rhetorical musings) Why am I so resistant to Mods that seem designed to allow the Japanese a real chance of winning outright?  Using historical conditions could the Japanese have even dreamed of actuallly doing more than conquering northern Australia?

Thanks for doing an AAR on this.  You are a skilled and much appreciated player of this game.  I have learned much from your posts elsewhere.  In fact, I have learned more from you on playing the stock WitPAE than any other single poster in the Forum.

Per the first post in this AAR, they are playing the latest version of Reluctant Admiral. For details of the mod see the thread "Reluctant Admiral Feedback" in the Mods section of this forum. RA does give considerable boost to the Japanese OOB but like most mods there are new challenges for both sides. I think the idea of most mods is to fix a few things that seem out of whack in stock (e.g. AA tweaks) and to keep the game fresh by giving players a different strategic possiblity. JFBs need a game that does not become depressing in 1943!

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/7/2012 8:10:01 PM   
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Actually, we are playing DBB #30 which has most of stock scenario 2 moved over to the DBB mod system. The big difference is the Japanese economy which I stated in GreyJoy's AAR and in his separate thread.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/8/2012 3:57:27 AM   
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Actually, we are playing DBB #30 which has most of stock scenario 2 moved over to the DBB mod system. The big difference is the Japanese economy which I stated in GreyJoy's AAR and in his separate thread.

DOH! I read the first sentence of the AAR and saw Reluctant Admiral and jumped to the Mod forum to look it up - never saw the subsequent DBB decision! Can we get a head-slap or Homer Simpson smiley added to the forum?
Thanks for setting me straight ny59giants!

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/8/2012 9:32:51 AM   
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BB - I 'had' started a game as Japan playing Reluctant Admiral vs Mike Solli, but he has been MIA since mid-August. I had put out a request for an opponent and got both Mike and Nick to respond. The good thing about this game is Nick (Olorin) and I is the pace of the game has us getting 2 to sometimes even 4 turns done a day.

Crackace - The aircraft factory at Sydney was bombed to dust, but the airframe isn't due to produce till 45, so I'm not to worried.

Princep01 - Thanks for the kind words. It must be the mental health professional side of me that continues to try to help people. I'm still subject to making mistakes and may have cost myself another division being destroyed needlessly by leaving it at Kalgoorlie too long. The next two days will determine if I have a V-8 moment and slap myself in the forehead. Details to follow in my normal postings.



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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 10/8/2012 10:11:40 AM   
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Interesting, keeping an eye on this.

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