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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/12/2013 10:00:48 PM   
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I think I'm going to move the troops over from NZ to OZ and push hard up the east coast for the next few months. I'll leave the troops prepping their objective in SoPac. I just sent 2x BG (96 planes) worth of B-24s from the Gilberts and Suva to Syndey. Following them are my elite 75 P-39Gs from the Gilberts and Marshalls campaign.

I have the big transport upgrades in 3/43. Some from AP to APAs and lots of others with significant AA upgrades. It will be mid-May before I have enough Hellcats, but not for all CVs, available to go for the invasions.

IF I can get up to Townsville and beyond, that will mean he has more area to defend. Only Brisbane and Toowoomba look to have significant troops. He needs to move them soon or they will not leave by land.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/14/2013 11:04:56 AM   
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Feb 10, 11, 12 :
Down to just Lashio and Lanchow for a few days.

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are underlined, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons)

Subs:
Searaven is hit by DDs off Georgetown [9-24-2-0]. She will limp back to Colombo.
Albacore hits an xAK with 1 TT north of Rabaul.

CVs:
Mine are at Wellington.

India/Burma:
Lashio - He has added a Chutai of 9 Nells to the attackers of my troops. Then comes the Helens (94) to continue to attack my troops. I lose 19 P-40s on the 11th as my LRCAP comes in from Bhamo in too few numbers. I say to myself afterwards, "sweeps are your friends."

China:
North -
Sian - AF is attacked by up to 12 Sonia daily.

Lanchow - Up to 27 Oscars sweep the base daily. The Sally/Helens (107) continue to hit the AF.

South -
Kukong - AF attacked by 29 Helens daily.

Australia:
Charlesville - Units flow in and out now. 33 Helens hit the AF on 11th. I have my BFs still one hex away.

South Pacific:
B-17/24s resting and taking in new airframes.

Central Pacific: -
Marshalls - Repairing and expanding bases

North Pacific:
Attu - Up to 19 A-29 Hudson and 3 B-18 Bolo hit the troops daily, weather permitting. P-40s sweep just in case.

Engineering: - Maloelap P4; Bhamo AF2; Nauru F4; Funafati AF1; Buldir AF2; Amchitka P2; Ailinglaplap AF4;

Notes:
In Burma, the troops are still outside of Schwebo without being detected.

In Australia, I have the armor out in front as they turn east from Charlesville to see whats ahead.

In New Zealand, ships go through 2/43 upgrades while others repair damage from trans Pacific crossing.


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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/14/2013 11:32:14 AM   
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Feb 13, 14, 15, 16 :
My troops keep marching.

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are underlined, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons)

Subs:
Growler sinks an xAK north of Pagan with 2 TT hits.

CVs:
Mine are at Wellington.

India/Burma:
Lashio - Tojo remain on CAP while Oscars escort in up to 68 Helens to continue the attack on my troops. I have one medium AA unit there.

China:
North -
Sian - AF is attacked by up to 12 Sonia daily.

Lanchow - Up to 27 Oscars sweep the base daily. The Sally/Helens (104) continue to hit the AF. On the 15th, they switch from the AF to attacking the troops in multiple waves.

South -
Kukong - AF attacked by 29 Helens daily.

Australia:
Charlesville - Units flow in and out now. On the trail just outside this base to the SW, my stack of troops are attacked by 68 Helens with 33 Oscars as escort. I had moved in 25 P-39s in expectation of the BFs to arrive on the 15th (settings at 11k, 50% CAP, 20% Rest, range 1). They don't shoot down many Helens, but Nick makes the mistake of having his bombers set at 1000' 43 Helens are lost to flak!!

South Pacific:
B-17/24s resting and taking in new airframes.

Central Pacific: -
Marshalls - Repairing and expanding bases

North Pacific:
Attu - P-40s sweep, but the bombers don't fly. Why not?? There are no troops left.

Engineering: - Maloelap F2; Howrah AF7; Broken Hills - F5; Buldir AF3; Imphal F6; Charlesville F2;

Notes:
I am able to convert my second air group to PB4Y-1 Liberators. I get my first PV-1 air group. Nice to see more USN bombers.

No China - My MLR continues to grow (see screenshot)





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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/14/2013 12:28:23 PM   
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Feb 17, 18, 19, :
Nick gets caught napping.

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are underlined, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons)

Subs:
Growler hits another xAK north of Pagan.

CVs:
Most are at Wellington. Some head down to Dunedin, NZ (hopefully away from prying eyes).

India/Burma:
Lashio - Oscars continue to escort in up to 69 Helens to hit my troops. On the 18th, my LRCAP from Katha that was SUPPOSE to be over Schwebo, ends up here. I lose 4 Hurricane/P-40s to 9 for Japan.

Schwebo - The empty base switch hands to Allies on 18th. Then, for some reason , the LRCAP from Katha heads over to Lashio. On the 19th, 42 Tojo sweep in and find only 8 Hurricanes on LRCAP. I lose 2.

Mandalay - On 19th, 25 P-38s from Imphal sweep in to find 48 Tojo on CAP. The loses are even at 2 each. A second sweep of 25 P-38s does better. Losses are 5:1 in my favor.

China:
North -
Sian - AF is attacked by up to 12 Sonia daily.

Lanchow - Up to 27 Oscars sweep the base daily. The Sally/Helens (104) continue to hit the troops.

South -
Kukong - AF attacked by 29 Helens daily.
Kunming is on the menu for 21 Sally on 18th.

Australia:
Charlesville - Bombers moved in 'briefly' on 18th for....

Townsville - On 19th, Nick pays a small price.
quote:

Morning Air attack on Townsville , at 92,144

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 3
Mitchell II x 27
B-26 Marauder x 12
P-38G Lightning x 19

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Turuga Maru, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Umezaki Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Teika Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Tarayasu Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire
SC Ch 7, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Atsuta Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC Ch 8, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
PB Syozui Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
SC Ch 11, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Hoten Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SC Ch 12, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Sureko, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Mikage Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAP Ohtaka Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires
xAP Kachidoki Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Tokyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
PB Hakakisan Maru, Bomb hits 1

Port hits 9
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Mitchell II bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x Mitchell II bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Mitchell II bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 7000 feet *
Port Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Townsville , at 92,144

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 10

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Tarayasu Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Tokyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Ohtaka Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Syozui Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Atsuta Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Townsville , at 92,144

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 7

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAP Hoten Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Ohtaka Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Hakakisan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
PB Sensan Maru, Bomb hits 3
PB Mikage Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC Ch 12, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Mitchell II bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 6 x 500 lb

I tell Nick that not many of those ships will survive.


South Pacific:
B-17/24s resting and taking in new airframes. However, "some" have moved to Sydney.

Central Pacific: -
Marshalls - Repairing and expanding bases

North Pacific:
Attu - My Amphib TF of an Inf Rgt and Combat Engineer are leaving Adak on 19th.

Engineering: - Ledo F5; Broken Hills AF5; Amchitka AF4; Chittagong P8; Bourke F5; Coff's Harbour AF8; Akyab F5; Nauru P3;

Notes:
Burma - With the capture of Schwebo, my troops will march one hex west. Then cross the Irrawaddy River with 20 Indian Div, 39 Indian Div, 2 Brit Div, 5 Chinese Corps, 268 Motorized Bde, 254 & 255 Armoured Bde, plus plenty of AA and FA units.

Australia - Three Australian divisions are now strung out to the east of Charlesville (see screenshot). 5 Aussie Armoured Rgt with 2 American Tank are the forward screen to east (389 AV). My elite P-38G (3x 25) are now at Coff's Harbour with a few stragglers still at Suva. They will sweep Brisbane in few days. Meanwhile, 39 B-17Es are at Newcastle with 96 B-24D are at Sydney. The B-25s from the just completed Townsville raid are now resting at Tamworth. Spitfires and Kittyhawks are 'tanned and rested' to join the American P-39/40s to close down Brisbane. Recon shows 73 fighters at Brisbane and 43 at Toowoomba. Hope to have some "Shock & Awe" in a few more days.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/14/2013 1:25:05 PM   
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It seems like your opponent is making some basic tactical mistakes....bombing at 1000 ft, and leaving a bunch of ships parked in a very bomb-able port......

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/16/2013 1:05:04 PM   
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Feb 20, 21, 22, :
Japanese defense in Australia is where?!?

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are underlined, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons)

Subs:
Swordfish need three of four TT to sink an xAKL off Russell Island in the Solomons.

CVs:
Mine are leaving NZ for a slow trip over to Melbourne.

India/Burma:
Lashio -

Schwebo - The expected counter strikes start to come in on the 21st.
quote:

255th Armoured Brigade, at 59,45 (Shwebo)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 99 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 29
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 30
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 21

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 6
P-40K Warhawk x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 11 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

The 22nd then changes back to just sweeps. The first is 42 Tojo vs 41 P-40s & 11 Hurricanes. This followed by 36 Oscars and another 41 Tojos. Losses are 20 for Allies to 18 for Japan.

China:
North -
Sian - AF is attacked by up to 12 Sonia daily.

Lanchow - Up to 27 Oscars sweep the base daily. The Sally/Helens (75) continue to hit the troops, but the numbers have decreased from over 100.

Urumchi - in the far, far north
quote:

Ground combat at Urumchi (79,11)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 384 troops, 0 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 40

Defending force 2304 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 82

Japanese adjusted assault: 68

Allied adjusted defense: 171

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)

Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
12th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
259th Brigade


South -
Kukong - AF attacked by 29 Helens daily.
Kunming - 21 Sally hit the AF on 21st.

Australia:
Toowoomba - is now empty!!

Brisbane - Lots of plotting and planning for a major display of Allied air power on 22nd. 92 P-38s & 38 Spitfires from nearby Coff's Harbour are ordered to sweep. 39 B-17Fs are at Newcastle while 96 B-24s are at Sydney set to make big holes in the AF. Meanwhile, over at Tamworth the 2e bomber fleet of 108 B-25/26s with 32 Kittyhawks for escort is waiting their turn. The AM phase shows heavy cloud cover and nothing flies. During the PM phase, there is no clouds displayed and still nothing flies. Of course the base is at 9/10 DL and I have good leaders, but.....
The base shows LCUs moving out to the NW up the rail/road.

South Pacific:
Large number of TFs headed south of NZ and others leaving Vava'u for Melbourne. I was second guessing myself for deciding to postpone my SoPac invasions for about three months to focus on Australia while I got major ship upgrades (APs to APAs and increase in transport AA firepower) and the Hellcats in April for my CVs. Now, I look at Australia as a good move.

Central Pacific: -
Marshalls - Repairing and expanding bases. Supplies and fuel flowing in.

North Pacific:
Attu - Landings begin late on the 21st and the empty base now belongs to the Allies on the 22nd.

Engineering: - Maloelap F3; Buldir AF4; Ceduna AF1; Koggala AF4; Kohima AF7; Bhamo AF3;

Notes:
Schwebo - The base is mine , BUT the flow of supplies into the base is not enough to support both the troops and give me enough to expand the AF from a size 1. I am using all my transports (135) to fly in supplies to AF6 at Katha from Ledo along with Blenheim (80) from Dimapur. What else can I do here??




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/16/2013 2:55:53 PM   
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The war has not been that painful when it comes to major warships sunk.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/16/2013 3:00:51 PM   
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Air Losses - This game to date has not been bloody in the air. I still have plenty of P-40s (both E & K models) along with Hurricane IIc models in the pool. As always, I would like more 2e bombers for the Allies.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/16/2013 3:03:50 PM   
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Victory Points will now be headed in the direction that favors the Allies as I reconquer lost territory.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/17/2013 8:24:13 AM   
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Feb 23, 24, 25:
Japanese troops are fleeing faster in Australia than I can move troops.

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are underlined, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons)

Subs:
KXV sinks an xAKL off Geraldton.
Snook sinks an AO with 2 TT hits due west of Truk.
Gunnel is just west of Ponape and misses CA Myoko who is with 2CL, 4DD

CVs:
Mine are headed back to NZ to withdraw the SBD air group from each CV and then await March 1st for the doubling of the remain SBD groups.

India/Burma:
Lashio -

Schwebo -

China:
North -
Sian - AF is attacked by up to 12 Sonia daily.

Lanchow - 16 Helens restart the attacks on the AF on 25th.

Urumchi - Another shock attack doesn't go well for Japan on 25th - 68:307.

South -
Kukong - AF attacked by 29 Helens daily.
Kunming - 21 Sally hit the AF on 24th.
Tsuyung - Those same Sally now hit this base on 25th.

Australia:
Toowoomba - This empty base changes possession to Allies on 25th.

Brisbane - My three Spitfire and four P-38s air groups finally sweep the base and find no resistance on 24th. There were fighters report there three days ago, but weather kept them grounded. Now the base shows ONE LCU there and headed NW.

Lord Howe Island - 39 B-17s & 98 B-24s hit the AF on 24th in multiple strikes = 32b, 29s, 62r. One Nell is destroyed. Hopefully, I can eliminate Nell flights over Melbourne. Two Aussie brigades have been prepping for this base for less than one month.

South Pacific: -
Multiple TFs headed for Australia

Central Pacific: -
Marshalls - Repairing and expanding bases. Supplies and fuel flowing in.

North Pacific:
Down to just shuffling around troops, bring in more supplies, and expanding bases.

Engineering: - Ceduna AF2; Hengyang F5; Charlesville AF6; Tamworth AF8;

Notes:
Australia - Nick is quickly retreating up the east coast. He has significant forces at Townsville - 6x TF, 150 fighters, 90 bombers, and 24 LCUs (16,600 troops). My lead tank units are between Maryborough and Bundaberg while the main tank force is still 4 hexes south of Rockhampton slightly inland. Looks like these units will be in Move Mode for some time once these two bases are captured.

Then what?!? Until I can get further north and get some recon flights up, I can only go by what mouse over shows. It looks like he has too many empty bases over in southern New Guinea.


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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/17/2013 6:10:42 PM   
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Are you playing 3 day turns or just composing the AAR in groups of 3 days?

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/17/2013 7:15:20 PM   
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Just doing 3 day AAR posting unless something major happens. Its easier to have about 10 posting per month. If, and when KB comes out of hiding, then that one will be a separate posting.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/19/2013 9:06:28 PM   
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I just subscribed and caught up on this AAR on a slow day at work- quite fascinating.

Can you post the latest Intel screen with victory points? How many did he end up getting with strategic bombing in Oz? I'm really curious if this strategy paid off for him or not-- last i saw his Vp ratio was not worth the overextension in Australia. Also, the actual Japanese army was vehemently against the idea of invading Oz historically.

Also, i'm mystified at the lack of capital ship casualties. There is a chance, despite the mistakes down south, that the japanese can thwart some moves by sea.



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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/19/2013 9:48:46 PM   
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Can you post the latest Intel screen with victory points? How many did he end up getting with strategic bombing in Oz? I'm really curious if this strategy paid off for him or not-- last i saw his Vp ratio was not worth the overextension in Australia. Also, the actual Japanese army was vehemently against the idea of invading Oz historically.


The Intel screen is posted a few postings back. He got 3166 points from the bombings.

The game has been on hold due to Nick recovering from a very bad combat result when he crossed over the river into Lanchow on the 28th with the three guards divisions and two tank divisions. Today makes the third day without a turn. I did get the Combat Replay after I asked him what happened to cause this unexpected delay (we has been doing two to four turns per day). He stated he would get me the turn back in a few hours and that was 7 hours ago.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/20/2013 2:57:53 AM   
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Well, hopefully Nick will recover from the shock of a failed river crossing. I would imagine he's had to steel himself quite a bit to deal with the lunge through the Central Pacific while withdrawing from Oz...

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/20/2013 9:00:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

The game has been on hold due to Nick recovering from a very bad combat result when he crossed over the river into Lanchow on the 28th with the three guards divisions and two tank divisions. Today makes the third day without a turn. I did get the Combat Replay after I asked him what happened to cause this unexpected delay (we has been doing two to four turns per day). He stated he would get me the turn back in a few hours and that was 7 hours ago.


I hope he recovers soon!

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/20/2013 9:20:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

The game has been on hold due to Nick recovering from a very bad combat result when he crossed over the river into Lanchow on the 28th with the three guards divisions and two tank divisions. Today makes the third day without a turn. I did get the Combat Replay after I asked him what happened to cause this unexpected delay (we has been doing two to four turns per day). He stated he would get me the turn back in a few hours and that was 7 hours ago.


Why is it so tough for players to take this kind of result and move on? It stings, yes, but it's not the war. Makes me think he's much more focused on the fun tactical side of playing Japan early but maybe not the long strategic grind it turns into in 43. Mourn them, sure, but then get back on the horse!

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/20/2013 9:28:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert


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The game has been on hold due to Nick recovering from a very bad combat result when he crossed over the river into Lanchow on the 28th with the three guards divisions and two tank divisions. Today makes the third day without a turn. I did get the Combat Replay after I asked him what happened to cause this unexpected delay (we has been doing two to four turns per day). He stated he would get me the turn back in a few hours and that was 7 hours ago.


Why is it so tough for players to take this kind of result and move on? It stings, yes, but it's not the war. Makes me think he's much more focused on the fun tactical side of playing Japan early but maybe not the long strategic grind it turns into in 43. Mourn them, sure, but then get back on the horse!


You surely need to be a particular kind of guy to play Japan, isn't it?

Micheal, do you know how's Olorin supply situation in this mod? Have you talked about it in the long run?

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/20/2013 1:19:10 PM   
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Micheal, do you know how's Olorin supply situation in this mod? Have you talked about it in the long run?


I know we mentioned it a few weeks ago about having to send the game files to MichaelM for a 'fix' to get us further along, but no specifics.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/21/2013 1:24:52 PM   
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Feb 26, 27, 28:
Allied troops racing up the east coast of Australia.
Nick suffers a poor combat result crossing over to Lanchow. The game was on hold for three days of mourning.

Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; (*) = destroyed aircraft; If odds are underlined, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons)

Subs:
None are hit nor are any ships hit.

CVs:
Mine are headed to Melbourne.

India/Burma:
Schwebo - 39 Tojo sweep the stack of troops one hex west of base that are trying to cross the river. I have 16 Hurricanes and 16 P-40s on LRCAP. I lose 7 planes to 4 for Japan. Then, 61 Oscars escort in 77 Helens to attack my troops. My 11 P-40/Hurricanes are unable to destroy any of his planes, but flak gets 3 Helens. I have better LRCAP numbers on the 27th as 42 P-40s and 30 Hurricanes face the 41 Tojo. The losses are 4 for Tojo to 3 for Allies. The 26 Oscars with 61 Helens go for the base and find 32 P-40s and 23 Hurricanes on CAP. 3 Helens are lost in A2A while 3 more are lost to my flak. Base damage is 7b, 8s, 19r. 69 Oscars with 30 Helens hit the troops to the west in afternoon. They find the skies empty. Another 22 Tojo sweep. The 28th is a day of rest.

China:
North -
Sian - AF is attacked by up to 12 Sonia daily.

Lanchow - Up to 16 Helens attack AF.

Urumchi - On 28th,
quote:

Ground combat at Urumchi (79,11)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 384 troops, 0 guns, 70 vehicles, Assault Value = 39

Defending force 2269 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 77

Japanese adjusted assault: 30

Allied adjusted defense: 51

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
12th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
259th Brigade


South -
Kukong - AF attacked by 29 Helens daily.

Tsuyung - 20 Sally hit the AF on 26th.

Kweiyang - The 20 Sally shift further west on the 27th.

Paoshan - They go as far west as they can on the 28th.

Australia:
Lord Howe Island - 39 B-17s & 98 B-24s hit the AF and the troops (BF and two naval guards) daily. The AV in port is sunk by the B-24s.

Emerald - the dot base changes hands on 26th.

Brisbane - the empty base is back in Allied hands on 27th.

Bundaberg - the empty base is back in Allied possession on 28th.

Maryborough - the empty base needs the Aussie Armoured Rgt to attack before becoming Allies on 28th.

South Pacific: -
Multiple TFs headed for Australia

Central Pacific: -
Repairing and expanding bases. Supplies and fuel flowing in.

North Pacific:
Down to just shuffling around troops, bring in more supplies, and expanding bases.

Engineering: - Alice Springs F5; Cedona AF3; Toowoomba AF5;

Notes:
Australia - The race is ongoing. My main tank force is two days out of Rockhamptom. The first of my warships with transports to follow arrive at Melbourne.

Lanchow - The combat results and correspondence will be in a separate posting below.




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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/21/2013 1:38:47 PM   
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Lanchow on Feb 28th sees Japan come across the river from the east and launches an automatic shock attack. The results are so bad that I don't hear from Nick for almost two days.

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Ground combat at Lanchow (81,34)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 58624 troops, 559 guns, 898 vehicles, Assault Value = 2118

Defending force 49263 troops, 319 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1382

Japanese adjusted assault: 1221

Allied adjusted defense: 4449

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 5)


Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
13236 casualties reported
Squads: 104 destroyed, 428 disabled
Non Combat: 37 destroyed, 157 disabled
Engineers: 26 destroyed, 46 disabled
Guns lost 91 (12 destroyed, 79 disabled)
Vehicles lost 143 (64 destroyed, 79 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
849 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 97 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled

Assaulting units:
15th Tank Regiment
4th Guards Division
1st Tank Division
6th Guards Division
2nd Tank Division
5th Guards Division
15th AA Regiment
North China Area Army
1st Ind.AA Gun Co
21st Army

Defending units:
100th Chinese Corps
9th Separate Brigade
34th Separate Brigade
71st Chinese Corps
10th Construction Regiment
3rd Chinese Corps
12th Construction Regiment
57th AT Gun Regiment
1st War Area
56th AT Gun Regiment
19th Chinese Base Force
8th War Area
4th Heavy Mortar Regiment
3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment
21st Chinese Base Force


The following was the email exchanges.
quote:

Hey Michael,

Nothing is going on, other than me being appalled by the results of this turn. I took a few days off AE to recover and decide my next move. Expect my turn in a few hours.

Nick


quote:

Nick,

I've seen similar results in my other game when I tried once to attack Changsha after the base had been bombed for weeks and their supply situation was very bad.

I saw that you had disruption (-) which may mean you had serious overstacking issues. The limit there is 50k. You had 5 divisions plus other troops. You can go slightly over, but this may have been a contributing factor.

Speaking of disruption, you had bombed the AF for some time and then stopped. You did very little with your Sally/Helens vs my troops in the turns prior to the assault. Why?? Players tend to look for how many casualties they inflict without realizing the most important thing is to raise the disruption level of the troops. Mine had almost none.

HQs - I saw the Corp/Army HQ, but do you have a Command HQ within range and prepped for this base?? "IF" the Army/Corp HQ passes the die roll that adds 10%. Then, if the Command HQ passes the die roll, they add another 90%.

I did not see the massive artillery that you usually bring nor the combat engineers. Why not??

The base will fall, but it will take some more time and recovery by your troops.

Michael


quote:

Michael,

OK here is your fix :)

To answer your questions regarding my Lanchow assault:
I was counting on my bombers to raise your disruption, but once I overstacked the hex next to Lanchow, I begun having supply shortages. To counter that, I had to devote my bomber force to air supply, which solved the supply problem, but allowed your troops to recover.

Regarding HQs, I had 3 of them (command+army+corps) fully prepped for Lanchow. Why I didn't read "leaders +" in the combat report, i don't know. I suspect it has something to do with hex control. As my command HQ was in Yenan, it may have been unable to communicate with Lanchow. Is this how it works in the game?

As for my artillery, I feared it would strain the single road I had in my disposal to supply my spearhead. In hindsight, I should have sent more artillery.

Anyway, I am almost fully recovered now. I don't know if the base will fall, but I am not too confident.

Enjoy!!
Nick


quote:

Nick,

The ground combat part of AE is the most difficult to fully understand. Now with stacking limits, its worse. I lost over 50k in supplies the turn we switched PWHEX files in my other game just outside Changsha. Your don't get the "Leaders (+)" unless the leaders are above average. I think that means that many of their qualities are above 60. Which ones specifically, I don't remember.

ENJOY!!
Michael






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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/21/2013 1:57:39 PM   
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Glad to see the game going again.

I agree with you. 104 destroyed squads, thats nothing. He will only have rest up for a week or two. Bomb the snot out of your forces and Lanchow will be his.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/21/2013 2:25:50 PM   
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Glad to see the game going again.

I agree with you. 104 destroyed squads, thats nothing. He will only have rest up for a week or two. Bomb the snot out of your forces and Lanchow will be his.


One thing we do not know is the IJ supply/leadership(inspiraton & admin) situaiton. The leaders might have high army ratings but low admin ... and it takes resting in a spot with > 25,000 supplies to recover the destroyed squads ..then it might be awhile before the 428 disabled sqauds recover.

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/21/2013 2:55:34 PM   
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Lanchow on Feb 28th sees Japan come across the river from the east and launches an automatic shock attack. The results are so bad that I don't here from Nick for almost two days.


I have to laugh. I recently made two river crossings in China. Plus one bad +3 terrain DA. If you want to succeed in China (in these cases made worse without without stacking limits) these are the kinds of things you have to get used to managing. These were within about a month of each other.

The first went to Chikhiang in +3 territory. I needed a bridgehead before he beefed the hex up even more, so I went for it knowing I would pay. Results;


Attacking force 99745 troops, 876 guns, 394 vehicles, Assault Value = 3523

Defending force 55371 troops, 270 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2299

Japanese ground losses:
14736 casualties reported
Squads: 279 destroyed, 1345 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 182 disabled
Engineers: 23 destroyed, 273 disabled
Guns lost 65 (7 destroyed, 58 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1513 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 281 disabled

Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled


The second went into Sian, again about hex-side control and opening a door to the base where I could then slowly work. Results;


Attacking force 73930 troops, 583 guns, 919 vehicles, Assault Value = 2728

Defending force 109559 troops, 709 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3270

Japanese ground losses:
20229 casualties reported
Squads: 182 destroyed, 1392 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 197 disabled
Engineers: 89 destroyed, 212 disabled
Guns lost 117 (7 destroyed, 110 disabled)
Vehicles lost 103 (7 destroyed, 96 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
5403 casualties reported
Squads: 82 destroyed, 202 disabled

Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 266 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 51 disabled
Guns lost 60 (12 destroyed, 48 disabled)


The third was just a DA in forest rough to try my luck. Wow;

Attacking force 111448 troops, 1048 guns, 154 vehicles, Assault Value = 3991

Defending force 64045 troops, 370 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2455

Japanese ground losses:
8652 casualties reported
Squads: 133 destroyed, 1515 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 107 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 103 disabled
Guns lost 72 (3 destroyed, 69 disabled)
Ouch!!

Allied ground losses:
3476 casualties reported
Squads: 25 destroyed, 234 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 105 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Guns lost 22 (1 destroyed, 21 disabled)



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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/21/2013 3:10:16 PM   
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Glad to see the game going again.

I agree with you. 104 destroyed squads, thats nothing. He will only have rest up for a week or two. Bomb the snot out of your forces and Lanchow will be his.


One thing we do not know is the IJ supply/leadership(inspiraton & admin) situaiton. The leaders might have high army ratings but low admin ... and it takes resting in a spot with > 25,000 supplies to recover the destroyed squads ..then it might be awhile before the 428 disabled sqauds recover.


Good point. But the Chinese doesn´t have 25.000 anywhere on map. So the disabled ones are lost forever!

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RE: Australia Invaded!! NY59Giants (A) vs Olorin (J) - 3/21/2013 3:24:32 PM   
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My supply situation in China sucks. I'm down to less than 13k in Chungking. I was up to over 25k before the Japanese started their northern offensive weeks ago. I've pulled in about 4700 infantry squads as replacements and still have about 1500 infantry in my pools. But, I don't have enough supply to build up those in Chungking with more troops. Thankfully, the three Corps that can use PP have been bought out and moved to India long ago.

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Glad to see the game going again.

I agree with you. 104 destroyed squads, thats nothing. He will only have rest up for a week or two. Bomb the snot out of your forces and Lanchow will be his.


One thing we do not know is the IJ supply/leadership(inspiraton & admin) situaiton. The leaders might have high army ratings but low admin ... and it takes resting in a spot with > 25,000 supplies to recover the destroyed squads ..then it might be awhile before the 428 disabled sqauds recover.


Good point. But the Chinese doesn´t have 25.000 anywhere on map. So the disabled ones are lost forever!




where is that coming from that it takes a base with 25000 supply to recover disabled squads? Must be rumor time lately. Just not true. All it takes is supply to recover disablements, if there is enough supply to recover one disabled squad into non disabled status, then it happens. Disabled squads also recover outside of bases so how the 25000 supply theory surfaces is beyond me. It also doesn't take 25000 and rest to get replacements for destroyed squads.

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I would like feedback on how to supply my army in northern Burma?? I have Schwebo, but cannot keep enough supplies there to even expand the AF from level 1 to 2. The base is often at 100 supplies or less. I have the huge army just to the west that will try to get over the river to capture Mandalay first and then the rest of the bases. I have all my transport planes and 2e bombers lifting in supplies daily to here and Katha.

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Glad to see the game going again.

I agree with you. 104 destroyed squads, thats nothing. He will only have rest up for a week or two. Bomb the snot out of your forces and Lanchow will be his.


One thing we do not know is the IJ supply/leadership(inspiraton & admin) situaiton. The leaders might have high army ratings but low admin ... and it takes resting in a spot with > 25,000 supplies to recover the destroyed squads ..then it might be awhile before the 428 disabled sqauds recover.


Good point. But the Chinese doesn´t have 25.000 anywhere on map. So the disabled ones are lost forever!




where is that coming from that it takes a base with 25000 supply to recover disabled squads? Must be rumor time lately. Just not true. All it takes is supply to recover disablements, if there is enough supply to recover one disabled squad into non disabled status, then it happens. Disabled squads also recover outside of bases so how the 25000 supply theory surfaces is beyond me. It also doesn't take 25000 and rest to get replacements for destroyed squads.


Just to go on record I never said it took 25,000 to recover disablements. Just a die roll. However, for the destroyed squads You are right ..it is just a simple 2X supplies from the nearest base for ground troops and 20,000 supplies for aircraft. My 25,000 quote for aircraft replacements [which I confusied with the ground requirement] is because it is not just a simple 20,000 because supply need is deducted first, which could be as less as 1K or more ..But the ground troops will require just 2X supplies from the closest base [probably pointing this out rather than going on a rant talking about rumors would have been more effective I made an honest mistake rather than intending to start a rumor mill ..

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Bases that have supplies that exceed double their supply requirements may use the excess to
provide replacements (as long as the ground unit has the Accept Replacements selection made
on its Ground Unit Information screen).


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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Glad to see the game going again.

I agree with you. 104 destroyed squads, thats nothing. He will only have rest up for a week or two. Bomb the snot out of your forces and Lanchow will be his.


One thing we do not know is the IJ supply/leadership(inspiraton & admin) situaiton. The leaders might have high army ratings but low admin ... and it takes resting in a spot with > 25,000 supplies to recover the destroyed squads ..then it might be awhile before the 428 disabled sqauds recover.


Good point. But the Chinese doesn´t have 25.000 anywhere on map. So the disabled ones are lost forever!




where is that coming from that it takes a base with 25000 supply to recover disabled squads? Must be rumor time lately. Just not true. All it takes is supply to recover disablements, if there is enough supply to recover one disabled squad into non disabled status, then it happens. Disabled squads also recover outside of bases so how the 25000 supply theory surfaces is beyond me. It also doesn't take 25000 and rest to get replacements for destroyed squads.

Adequate 'Support' squads are a major factor also.

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