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I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 1:19:17 AM   
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...but I'm hoping that I can salvage something from it.

I've spent the better part of two days putting together a pretty nice first turn for a PBEM game as the IJ. I 'opened' the game by selecting Allied computer and I input my moves, upgrades, industry changes-the lot. Like I said, two days...

Then when I clicked on the 'end turn' icon, it saved my turn and ran it, as expected. Except for one little detail: I don't think that the game save or the turn can be run in a PBEM format-I started it against the computer.

Is there any way of salvaging this effort for a PBEM first turn, oh wise forum?

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 3:12:14 AM   
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...but I'm hoping that I can salvage something from it.

I've spent the better part of two days putting together a pretty nice first turn for a PBEM game as the IJ. I 'opened' the game by selecting Allied computer and I input my moves, upgrades, industry changes-the lot. Like I said, two days...

Then when I clicked on the 'end turn' icon, it saved my turn and ran it, as expected. Except for one little detail: I don't think that the game save or the turn can be run in a PBEM format-I started it against the computer.

Is there any way of salvaging this effort for a PBEM first turn, oh wise forum?

MichaelM is your only recourse here and even then I'm not sure he can or will do it...

Good idea to have your first turn PBEM saved and archived.

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 4:42:02 AM   
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...but I'm hoping that I can salvage something from it.

I've spent the better part of two days putting together a pretty nice first turn for a PBEM game as the IJ. I 'opened' the game by selecting Allied computer and I input my moves, upgrades, industry changes-the lot. Like I said, two days...

Then when I clicked on the 'end turn' icon, it saved my turn and ran it, as expected. Except for one little detail: I don't think that the game save or the turn can be run in a PBEM format-I started it against the computer.

Is there any way of salvaging this effort for a PBEM first turn, oh wise forum?

MichaelM is your only recourse here and even then I'm not sure he can or will do it...

Good idea to have your first turn PBEM saved and archived.

+1

Really sorry to hear this. Been there, done that. Real pain.

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 5:02:32 AM   
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I know it's a little late but ...

When I start a non-historical start game I recommend the following to my opponent

1. Japanese player sets switches, saves game, ends turn and mails it
2. Allied player opens turn to see if it opens and checks the settings
3. Allied player mails an "OK" or a "whoops" to Japanese player
4. Japanese player loads save and proceeds with issuing turn 1 orders






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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 6:43:59 PM   
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I wonder if you couldn't go back to the pre-save turn at the top of the saves menu?

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 8:15:38 PM   
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quote:

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...but I'm hoping that I can salvage something from it.

I've spent the better part of two days putting together a pretty nice first turn for a PBEM game as the IJ. I 'opened' the game by selecting Allied computer and I input my moves, upgrades, industry changes-the lot. Like I said, two days...

Then when I clicked on the 'end turn' icon, it saved my turn and ran it, as expected. Except for one little detail: I don't think that the game save or the turn can be run in a PBEM format-I started it against the computer.

Is there any way of salvaging this effort for a PBEM first turn, oh wise forum?

MichaelM is your only recourse here and even then I'm not sure he can or will do it...

Good idea to have your first turn PBEM saved and archived.


Thanks for the reply, Damien. The problem wasn't insufficient saves or archiving, of course-it was selecting the wrong 'switch' before putting in my turn. Gah!

Well, at least I got to 'game' half a dozen different strike scenarios and run them all. Interesting possiblities!

For those that are interested, you can put a 1.75 division-equivalents of screaming IJA infantry, HQ and base forces on Oosthaven (Sumatra) and Merat (Java) on turn one. Easy as pie.

For those allied players that are thinking of taking advantage of the supply production by refineries in Palembang and doing a "Mega Fortress Palembang" with British, Indian and Australian troops thrown into Palembang, just keep this in mind.

For Japanese players considering PBEM: remind you opponents about your ability to do this by using the first turn movement bonus. Consider holding off on this if your opponent agrees not to take advantage of the Palembang tactical supply production exploit. If they don't-you can be in Palembang within 10 days of the war start.

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 8:26:51 PM   
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I would respond with land at any base you want, just be prepared for 100s of B-17s flying night missions at 6000 feet, day after day after day. And later B-29s on Naval Attack at 6,000 feet.

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 8:32:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pompack

I know it's a little late but ...

When I start a non-historical start game I recommend the following to my opponent

1. Japanese player sets switches, saves game, ends turn and mails it
2. Allied player opens turn to see if it opens and checks the settings
3. Allied player mails an "OK" or a "whoops" to Japanese player
4. Japanese player loads save and proceeds with issuing turn 1 orders

That makes sense. I have a game going where my IJN opponent set receive replacements to "ON" instead of "OFF" and I've mistakenly lost a bunch of B-17s out of the pool to units that withdraw which automatically took them (because I didn't catch them to change their setting in time).

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 8:34:24 PM   
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I would respond with land at any base you want, just be prepared for 100s of B-17s flying night missions at 6000 feet, day after day after day. And later B-29s on Naval Attack at 6,000 feet.


Hi Dan,

My comment was referring to that "Fortress Palembang" exploit per se-not as a rehash of all pertinent house rules predicated on allowing the Allies to exploit this game engine problem. Thus, it was not my intent to review all the other game-wrecking HRs that the Allies / Japanese could continue to use if they saw fit.

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 8:35:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pompack

I know it's a little late but ...

When I start a non-historical start game I recommend the following to my opponent

1. Japanese player sets switches, saves game, ends turn and mails it
2. Allied player opens turn to see if it opens and checks the settings
3. Allied player mails an "OK" or a "whoops" to Japanese player
4. Japanese player loads save and proceeds with issuing turn 1 orders



Good idea. Albeit it a little late.


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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 9:51:31 PM   
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It does appear as rooster boy is really choking his chicken this time!

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 9:58:45 PM   
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It does appear as rooster boy is really choking his chicken this time!



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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/4/2012 10:15:25 PM   
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It does appear as rooster boy is really choking his chicken this time!



That's just fowl!

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/6/2012 12:36:45 AM   
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I was feeling fowlish at the time.

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/6/2012 3:05:59 AM   
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Thanks for the help, guys.

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/6/2012 6:16:08 AM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: pompack

I know it's a little late but ...

When I start a non-historical start game I recommend the following to my opponent

1. Japanese player sets switches, saves game, ends turn and mails it
2. Allied player opens turn to see if it opens and checks the settings
3. Allied player mails an "OK" or a "whoops" to Japanese player
4. Japanese player loads save and proceeds with issuing turn 1 orders

That makes sense. I have a game going where my IJN opponent set receive replacements to "ON" instead of "OFF" and I've mistakenly lost a bunch of B-17s out of the pool to units that withdraw which automatically took them (because I didn't catch them to change their setting in time).


This happened to a past PBEM which we restarted after a lot of consideration on that topic. Replacements ON and 2 day turns are about as bad a combination as it can possibly get...

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/6/2012 3:36:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LoBaron


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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: pompack

I know it's a little late but ...

When I start a non-historical start game I recommend the following to my opponent

1. Japanese player sets switches, saves game, ends turn and mails it
2. Allied player opens turn to see if it opens and checks the settings
3. Allied player mails an "OK" or a "whoops" to Japanese player
4. Japanese player loads save and proceeds with issuing turn 1 orders

That makes sense. I have a game going where my IJN opponent set receive replacements to "ON" instead of "OFF" and I've mistakenly lost a bunch of B-17s out of the pool to units that withdraw which automatically took them (because I didn't catch them to change their setting in time).


This happened to a past PBEM which we restarted after a lot of consideration on that topic. Replacements ON and 2 day turns are about as bad a combination as it can possibly get...



I'm glad to hear someone else is not hot on 2 day turns. 2 and 3 day turns are great for players that NEVER screw up. That lets me out.

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RE: I think I may have messed up...g - 9/6/2012 4:03:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


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ORIGINAL: LoBaron


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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: pompack

I know it's a little late but ...

When I start a non-historical start game I recommend the following to my opponent

1. Japanese player sets switches, saves game, ends turn and mails it
2. Allied player opens turn to see if it opens and checks the settings
3. Allied player mails an "OK" or a "whoops" to Japanese player
4. Japanese player loads save and proceeds with issuing turn 1 orders

That makes sense. I have a game going where my IJN opponent set receive replacements to "ON" instead of "OFF" and I've mistakenly lost a bunch of B-17s out of the pool to units that withdraw which automatically took them (because I didn't catch them to change their setting in time).


This happened to a past PBEM which we restarted after a lot of consideration on that topic. Replacements ON and 2 day turns are about as bad a combination as it can possibly get...



I'm glad to hear someone else is not hot on 2 day turns. 2 and 3 day turns are great for players that NEVER screw up. That lets me out.


Sorry to disappoint you Steve, but I am 2 day turns all the way. Just not to keen on replacements set to On at the same time.

Which does in no way indicate I am immune to screwups. Only that my blood pressure seems to cope with it pretty well...

3 day turns OTOH are for people with nerves of steel, the gift of fortune telling, a complete emotional immunity to violent death of ship crews out
of nowhere, and a fetish for words like "random", "unknowns", "unpredictability", and the likes. I am not tough enough for that.

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RE: I think I may have messed up...g - 9/6/2012 4:28:27 PM   
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Glad to hear it LoBaron. My blood pressure needs all the help it can get!

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RE: I think I may have messed up...g - 9/7/2012 10:13:01 AM   
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I heard rumors that sinking enemy major combatants is the best medication in this regard.

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RE: I think I may have messed up...g - 9/7/2012 3:55:56 PM   
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I heard rumors that sinking enemy major combatants is the best medication in this regard.



No doubt you are right. But getting my head handed to me makes me a better player.(Because if nothing else, I'll learn what DOESN'T work). And at the rate of my epic defeats , someday I'll actually be dangerous!

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RE: I think I may have messed up...g - 9/7/2012 8:36:27 PM   
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I heard rumors that sinking enemy major combatants is the best medication in this regard.



But getting my head handed to me makes me a better player.


If this was true I should be invincible by now.


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RE: I think I may have messed up...g - 9/7/2012 8:43:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

I heard rumors that sinking enemy major combatants is the best medication in this regard.



But getting my head handed to me makes me a better player.


If this was true I should be invincible by now.



Your'e not?

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RE: I think I may have messed up...g - 9/7/2012 8:46:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


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I heard rumors that sinking enemy major combatants is the best medication in this regard.



But getting my head handed to me makes me a better player.


If this was true I should be invincible by now.



Your'e not?


No, but don´t tell anybody...

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RE: I think I may have messed up...g - 9/7/2012 10:18:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


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ORIGINAL: LoBaron


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

I heard rumors that sinking enemy major combatants is the best medication in this regard.



But getting my head handed to me makes me a better player.


If this was true I should be invincible by now.



Your'e not?


No, but don´t tell anybody...



Your secret is safe! But I'm not giving up my sigline! I had it 1st!

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RE: I think I may have messed up... - 9/8/2012 4:14:10 PM   
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Chickenboy -

I have always wondered, if in the same situation as you are, that I could zip and email a non pbem game and just carry on.

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