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RE: How Did Clancy Know? - 9/1/2012 7:26:49 PM   
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I am a Harry Coyle fan. He was there and he got it right. See that some people like books about the details of warfare. This one isn’t fiction, it is factual. And it sits in the timeframe. Another Armor puke.


wrote the book when he was a Captain!!! Has a gift for words and ability to describe his perceptions, good and bad. This book is on the required reading list for my courses in military history.

Dan Bolger is now a Lt.Gen. Was Deputy CoS, US Army, and then CG, Transition Command, Afghanistan. Really nice guy and really sharp. Drinks Bourbon.



Bolger's work certainly rates in my top ten even though it isn't even fiction . I got it at an airport (because I couldn't find anything else) over twenty-five years ago but I have picked it up and re-read it every few years since then. A really great book. His other non-fiction (Death Ground) was interesting but not in the same league as his first book.

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RE: How Did Clancy Know? - 9/1/2012 8:16:18 PM   
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This absolutely isn't intended as a political thread, but would be fine for discussing Clancy books.

I think many successful authors write with passion early on.  Then, big contracts are thrown at them, meaning that they are "forced" to write something, anything, quickly.  Rather than the story coming from the heart it comes somewhere that the writer's muse doesn't hang out.


Were they "Contractual Obligation " books rather than his normal output??

He should have dropped Jack Ryan and headed somewhere else.



Yes. You are probably right. He probably picked "Ryan" because of its Irish orgin, just like his own name.

When the Ryan-based plots became progressively more implausible, he should have switched to a good Hampshire name..oh I don't know, Biden maybe. Then he could have done comedies for a change.

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RE: How Did Clancy Know? - 9/1/2012 11:05:12 PM   
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I also liked Dale Brown withhis Patrick McLanaghan character ubtil he got to the tinman era.

Plus the guy who did Flight of the Intruder

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RE: How Did Clancy Know? - 9/2/2012 2:26:16 AM   
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An interesting note, back when I was in the Marine Corps, the Commander of Charlie Company came back from leave, then let it slip that he had spent the entire two weeks in a bar drinking with Tom Clancy. I believe this is his M.O. for getting secret info.



I heard a story, possibly apocryphal, that after one of his early books came out he was invited to have a chat (the word I originally heard was 'debriefed') by one of the security agencies and asked to divulge where he'd come across much of the more esoteric information in the book. Maybe just a BS urban myth, who knows? I'd also heard about him picking that sort of info up hanging around in bars frequented by defence personnel.



True story. The problem was that he not only had rather precise technical details, he had the exact ops concept for a system that was still years away from being fielded. He then dressed up his next story with some similar technical stuff that was pure fantasy, i.e. something what was both technically and geometrically impossible, but it was in the same genre of the stuff that got him in the "debrief" to start with. Bound to be a true story because I got it drinking in a bar with a govie.

I've had some interesting drinking sessions with defence personnel down here in Australia. Once they've had a few drinks they do open up and if you appear knowledgable and not hostile they will talk quite openly sometimes, of course they shouldn't but there was no danger ultimately in speaking to me and the end result was I learned quite a lot about the forces relative satisfaction with certain weapons systems and how they were using them, had certain interesting training operations and specifics explained to me in some detail and all in all was accepted into their little circle for the evening, to the point where they started pulling 'Soldier of Fortune' magazines from their bags and handing them to me. They we're young, and the info wasn't particularly valuable by itself, but spies have been working like this since time immemorial.

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RE: How Did Clancy Know? - 9/2/2012 2:58:12 AM   
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You can get a lot of this info from newspapers and magazines reasonably feely available.

The real people in the know keep the juicy bits very close to their chest, its them that pay if the info gets out.

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RE: How Did Clancy Know? - 9/2/2012 6:38:28 AM   
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Wasn't Clancy questioned for the depth of his knowledge with the Hardware in Red October? Similar thing happened with The Sum of All Fears when he was asked how he so minutely detail how to build a nuclear weapon.


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