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Meritorious as the goal is, I don't see why players would care about feeding their Light Industry with resources. As LI in your mod would produce nothing there is no carrot for the player. As there is no stick from not feeding LI with resources, I just don't see the motivation for a player to run the risk of losing merchant hulls and consuming fuel in the process of transporting resources, just to feed LI. I predict players would simply allow their LI to be starved of the feedstock.
Alfred
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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
I think LI will draw resources automatically, so player would have to feed areas with resources to keep HI running?
Yes, LI will automatically draw Resource points, and IIRC the player cannot "shut-off" LI Production.
The changes to the factory numbers are significant, as the mod is more than just a change to inputs/outputs.
In regards to Australia - here is the quick and dirty analysis -
In Stock-AE Australia has 3210 Resource centers producing 64,200 RP. Australia also has 2770 LI and 1120 HI which require 63950 RP and 2240 fuel. As such she has a 250 point RP surplus...no more resources need to be transported to Australia. The Industry/Refineries produces 5010 points of supply. She also has 55 Refineries which produce 495 Fuel and 55 supply. So in the end Australia produces 250 RP, 5065 Supply points and has a -1745 Fuel Deficit if all the industry is fed. If the Allied player shuts off HI in Australia and no oil is brought in, 2770 supply points are still generated and the fuel deficit is 0.
With my changes in Empires in the Balance Australia has 3210 Resource centers producing 64200 RP. An additional 412 damaged Resource Centers have been added to existing centers in two bases. As they repair they will eventually generate an additional 8240 RP.
Australia has been allotted 2770 HI and 7180 LI (significant changes) which require 72420 RP and 2770 fuel. THE LI will produce nothing, however the HI will generate 5540 Supply and 2770 HI if fed. At start Australia will now have a 8220 point RP deficit.
However, as stated, as the damaged Resource Centers repair, Australia will eventually be able to meet her resource needs. After approximately 206 days the 412 Resource centers will produce a further 8240 RP eliminating the Australian RP deficit.
Early in the game RP will need to be transported to Australia for her economy to keep functioning at peak efficiency. I tend to think of these Resource Points as asphalt, asphalt producing plants, crushing plants, compressors, jack hammers, screening plants for gravel, explosives, landing mat; for transportation, rail and rolling stock, trucks, gasoline storage tanks, and operating personnel, etc. After the first 206 days she will be fully self-sufficent.
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With the best will in the world, Australia simply did not have resources for the tremendous effort required. Australian manpower, scant to begin with, had already been drained for her military forces and war industries. Her continental defenses were at rock bottom, the best of her troops and the bulk of her military equipment having been sent overseas. Her economy was already stretched tight by the demands of two years of war and was scarcely sufficient to meet her own requirements. While a large part of the basic U.S. Army ration, items of clothing, and the like could be obtained locally, only a brief survey was needed to convince Americans in Australia that the great bulk of military supplies—including construction equipment and construction labor would have to come from the United States.
-Global Logistics & Strategy 1940-43, p. 168
Leighton & Coakley
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Australia and New Zealand were primarily agricultural, producing an exportable surplus of foodstuffs and raw materials, which in peacetime they normally exchanged with England for manufactured goods. Though their industry was increasing, and the pace of its development was vastly speeded by the war, it was far from sufficient in 1942 to maintain an essential civilian economy and provide equipment for the armed forces Australia and New Zealand could put into the field. The large American forces sent to the area promised an additional drain on the native economy. These American forces would be operating at the end of one of the longest supply lines in the history of warfare. If they could draw the bulk of their subsistence supplies from local sources, the saving in shipping would be immense. A fairly simple and direct exchange therefore suggested itself whereby Australia and New Zealand would furnish American forces with housing, subsistence, clothing, and miscellaneous supplies and services in return for which the United States would supply the marginal needs of both their military forces and civilian economy.
-Global Logistics & Strategy 1940-43, p. 497
Leighton & Coakley
The Australian Industry will produce 5540 points of supply if fed. She also has 55 Refineries which produce 550 Fuel. However because of the repairing resource centers the supply will be reduced to 3540 points per day for the first 206 days.
Australia At Start will produce a 8220 RP deficit, 3540 Supply points (5540 - 2000 for Resource Center Repair) and will have a -2220 point Fuel Deficit....assuming the US ships RP and Oil to Australia. Eventually the RP deficit will disappear and the damaged Resource center will not need supply for repair.
Due to other changes in the US economy which cause Supply to be much scarcer it may be beneficial for the US to ship RP in addition to supply to Australia in the beginning until Australia's economy can fully meet its RP requirements.
With ALL supply now being delivered by HI output, if Australian HI is turned off, does the Allied player want to tie up ships transporting 3540-5540 supply points per day to Australia to make up the deficit that is no longer being produced? Will those ships end up consuming more fuel than is used by the HI?
I hope these changes will also slow down the Allied ability to begin their push back sooner than August 1942. And before the AFB's begin crying foul...we have yet to discuss the limitations placed on the Japanese and JFB's.
< Message edited by treespider -- 8/29/2012 12:10:21 PM >
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