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RE: Sov Infantry Brigades - 8/25/2012 9:25:23 AM   
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My tank corps in June 1942 ( early version corps that will change TOE fairly soon ) use 1031 vehicles ( trucks ).

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RE: Sov Infantry Brigades - 8/25/2012 10:51:03 AM   
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you are right about rifle corps and risking to lose them in a "following pocket".

i think i will go for more tank corps in 1942. they can open pockets and retreat in safety.

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RE: Sov Infantry Brigades - 8/25/2012 10:10:05 PM   
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Another thing i don't agree with; the '42 "crap" rifle corps has 9-10 CV easy.... the basic '42 tank corps has 3 CV. I can't break many pockets with that, i like 15-18 rifle corps in '42.

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RE: Sov Infantry Brigades - 8/25/2012 11:37:56 PM   
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I can build rifle corps that are double digit CV in 1942, sure...but only because they are way overstrength. They are not punching at their true TOE weight. They're acting like a 1943 rifle corps, at least until a few combats knocks off the padding.

A genuine, non roid raging, pre October 1942 rifle corps at true TOE strength with 20,000 or less men is not impressive. 7ish CV. I'd rather have the 3 rifle divisions at that point. (Or even the two rifle divisions and brigade.)

A post July tank corps is more like 6-7 CV with attachments. By autumn you can start seeing double digit CV tank corps, if you feed them a few wins and get them trained up. This is more than good enough to cause a rumpus somewhere. The ones in April are fairly weak due to the 42a TOE, but they'll go up from there naturally relatively fast, whereas with rifle corps you are working against the grain trying to make them act like a real 43 corps until almost the end of the year. The first real ToE for them doesn't hit until October.




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RE: Sov Infantry Brigades - 8/26/2012 12:18:52 AM   
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quote:

7ish CV. I'd rather have the 3 rifle divisions at that point. (Or even the two rifle divisions and brigade.)


But you can't put 9 units in a hex...

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A post July tank corps is more like 6-7 CV with attachments.


Won't a rifle corps see the same CV improvement, apples to apples?

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RE: Sov Infantry Brigades - 8/26/2012 12:25:51 AM   
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And i have never seen a '42 tank corps with double digit strength... 7 is the highest i created, with two attachments.

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RE: Sov Infantry Brigades - 8/26/2012 1:12:03 AM   
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Gotta train 'em up and feed 'em wins. They won't be double digit freshly raised. But they can get there by year's end solely on the basis of the July TOE.

A rifle corps won't see anything like this dramatic improvement until almost 1943. It will tend to go down in strength as a result of combats due to the TOE. Only after October does this turn around. You are also paying 20 APs for it at this stage and getting a rather slow unit.

Mobility matters.

So far as mass goes...mass is what you need to crack fort lines, not so much for counterattacking the bleeding edge of a panzer advance. Rifle divisions stiffened with mobile units are perfectly capable of hitting unfortified panzers in the open, unless they are in 3 unit stacks, and sometimes even then.



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