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RE: December 1942 - 1/1/2013 3:45:56 PM   
Pelton


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Status: offline 		MT moved allot of fresh units to front so I expect a large amount of attacks next turn. Last turn was one of his worst in a while.

Not sure how the blizzard will effect his attacking tactic as it requires allot of movement. During blizzard there is extra movement cost and fitgure. I have my digging Corp set-up so fort building is going better then normal for blizzard.

I am very interested to see if he can keep doing what hes doing during blizzard or it will back fire on him. Looking at the last 2 turns battle reports hes only getting off 2 attacks per hex, which in most cases is not enough to take the hex. Hes only had 2 3x attacks now that blizzard has started.

43 is close so armaments should not be an issue during 43, be more of a manpower issue if anything for GHC. Thats why I have been so conserned with the manpower issue.



< Message edited by Pelton -- 1/1/2013 4:05:44 PM >

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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: December 1942 - 1/2/2013 2:26:55 AM   
Pelton


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Status: offline 		Turn 80--- GHC armaments: 66,500 --------Only 132 turns to go----------


Russian Men OOB: 8,663,000---------Total Loses:4,996,782
Net of: -24,000 ---------------------- Loses last turn: 63,211
Russian Gun OOB:123,500
Net of: 650
Ready Rifle Squads: 43,700 Net change: -400

GHC OOB: 3,516,000 ----------Total Loses:2,203,501
Net of: +43,000---------------Loses last turn: 33,524
GHC Gun OOB: 38,200
Net of: +750
Men in GHC manpower Pool: 104,000---- Active pool: 77k.

———–Won——–—Lost———Ratio
SHC——7—————7—–——–50 %
GHC——4—————0——–—--100%


Air War

Ratio: 6.5 : 1

GHC loses: 43
SHC loses: 280

Another good turn as active pool drops 60k and OOB goes up 43k. In the south MT is almost through the 1st 3 deep fort belt, but I have built a 3 deep fort belt to the west that shortens my lines.






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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: December 1942 - 1/3/2013 10:07:40 PM   
Pelton


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Status: offline 		Turn 81--- GHC armaments: 6000 --------Only 131 turns to go----------


Russian Men OOB: 8,630,000---------Total Loses:5,045,782
Net of: -33,000 ---------------------- Loses last turn: 48,473
Russian Gun OOB:123,600
Net of: 100

Ready Rifle Squads: 44,600 Net change: +900

GHC OOB: 3,574,000 ----------Total Loses:2,203,501
Net of: +58,000---------------Loses last turn: 26,042
GHC Gun OOB: 38,600
Net of: +400
Men in GHC manpower Pool: 40,000---- Active pool: 20k.

———–Won——–—Lost———Ratio
SHC——6—————13—–——–31 %
GHC——0—————0——–—--100%


Air War

Ratio: 123 : 1

GHC loses: 2
SHC loses: 247


Another good turn as OOB/rifle squads goes up. I did not see any good stacks to attack and at this slow of a tempo no real need. SHC has tried attacking at other spots allong the lines, but so far all have failed.

Basicly the 2 pushes gaining a hex or 2 per turn. No ways near enough to be alarmed by any means.

Also I am very surpised how high the over all morale of the infantry is at this time.




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< Message edited by Pelton -- 1/4/2013 2:26:27 AM >

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GHC
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10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: January 1943 - 1/4/2013 11:17:09 AM   
Pelton


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Status: offline 		Turn 82--- GHC armaments: 8106 --------Only 130 turns to go----------


Russian Men OOB: 8,579,000---------Total Loses:5,045,782
Net of: -50,000 ---------------------- Loses last turn: 53,402
Russian Gun OOB:123,000
Net of: -600

Ready Rifle Squads: 44,400 Net change: -200

GHC OOB: 3,601,000 ----------Total Loses:2,256,578
Net of: +27,000---------------Loses last turn: 27,031
GHC Gun OOB: 39,000
Net of: +400
Men in GHC manpower Pool: 47k---- Active pool: 21k.

———–Won——–—Lost———Ratio
SHC——8—————10—–——–44 %
GHC——0—————0——–—--100%


Air War

Ratio: 45 : 1

GHC loses: 4
SHC loses: 182

Armaments now should not be an issue. Been able to stay above zero and now growing, slowly.

Thw manpower pool is now at what would be considered normal levels for 2 turns 47k. I need to work on getting 2 more fort building Corp set-up so I can easly stay ahead of SHC grinding. Right now I would stay I can keep up, but I would like to be ahead during blizzard. Summer should be easy to stay ahead.

SHC tried 6 attacks this turn that were not in the 2 push areas but they all failed again.

In the south push areas SHC is only able to mount 6 attacks, 4 were on hexes I only left a single Rummainian division in as I am withdrawing to shorten lines for summer. The 2 that were on the line I am tring to hold the SHC failed.

In the north SHC attacked 4 times, but only 1 was on a hex to west of push. As SHC advances they are forsed to attack the sides, this slows down advance. Basicly 1 hex east and 4 or 5 to flanks.

SHC units in the front cv has been dropping steadly. I think the weather is having more of an effect on SHC then GHC.

OOB over 3.6 million again.

Not sure how MT has his Red Airforse set up, but its been a complete disaster and a turkey shot for LW. He might want to rethink his tactics, because its clearly not working out.

Again no reason to counter attack tempo is slower then I can build forts even in blizzard.

Several river lines are being looked at for summer defenses.






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GHC
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10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: January 1943 - 1/4/2013 5:44:57 PM   
Pelton


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Status: offline 		Looks like over the last 6 months SHC has moved the lines 40 miles closer in the north, 20 miles in center and holding and 30 miles in south.

OOB is basicly the same, guns, men and rifle squads.

I have some screen shots as of Jan 1943 I can post at some point that I can use as a bench mark for future turns. I will post them come spring.

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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: January 1943 - 1/4/2013 10:40:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now the Soviet morale will start going up (and the German went down), so their strength will increase. In the first month it's a 6 point change, 11 more during the whole year.

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RE: January 1943 - 1/4/2013 11:05:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: morvael

Now the Soviet morale will start going up (and the German went down), so their strength will increase. In the first month it's a 6 point change, 11 more during the whole year.


I only care about the things I can control. GHC morale.

I farmed it in 1941 and MT gave me several hundred pts of it because of soaking attack tactics in 1942.

GHC has very high morale. By far the highest I have ever had in Jan 43.

That will keep GHC CV high for longer then normal.

German morale doesn't go down because they are sitting, SHC has to win a battle from time to time.

When they attack 2 or 3 times then win GHC morale in many cases goes up or at worst stays even.


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10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: January 1943 - 1/5/2013 1:27:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Pelton

Looks like over the last 6 months SHC has moved the lines 40 miles closer in the north, 20 miles in center and holding and 30 miles in south.

OOB is basicly the same, guns, men and rifle squads.

I have some screen shots as of Jan 1943 I can post at some point that I can use as a bench mark for future turns. I will post them come spring.


Surely the biggest problem is historically in Jan43 the fighting was at best happening around Velike Luki approx 220miles east of your front lines (as of last maps from mid october). Also stalingrad still holding out too (500miles east - but obviously that's not necessarily a situation for any commander to aspire too...!!) However in a game of real estate to be honest you are very much behind the curve. Whats your current VP tally? Appreciate you are trying to put a positive spin on things but being 120miles from the Prussian border at this point is not something that the Fuehrer would have tolerated I think (understatement).

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RE: January 1943 - 1/5/2013 3:31:36 AM   
Pelton


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ORIGINAL: Gunnulf


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Looks like over the last 6 months SHC has moved the lines 40 miles closer in the north, 20 miles in center and holding and 30 miles in south.

OOB is basicly the same, guns, men and rifle squads.

I have some screen shots as of Jan 1943 I can post at some point that I can use as a bench mark for future turns. I will post them come spring.


Surely the biggest problem is historically in Jan43 the fighting was at best happening around Velike Luki approx 220miles east of your front lines (as of last maps from mid october). Also stalingrad still holding out too (500miles east - but obviously that's not necessarily a situation for any commander to aspire too...!!) However in a game of real estate to be honest you are very much behind the curve. Whats your current VP tally? Appreciate you are trying to put a positive spin on things but being 120miles from the Prussian border at this point is not something that the Fuehrer would have tolerated I think (understatement).



I never set out to take land, but build morale and try to keep it from the out set of game. That I have done no "spin" needed.

There are allot of things Hitler or Stalin would not like that we all do when we play this game.

I try not to use them as role models personally.

What have I spun in your all knowing all seeing opinion?

It is a game try not to take things so personal, loosen up kick back and have some fun.

I am.




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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: January 1943 - 1/5/2013 3:54:12 AM   
Pelton


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Status: offline 		Turn 83--- GHC armaments: 14706 --------Only 129 turns to go----------


Russian Men OOB: 8,534,000---------Total Loses:5,160,135
Net of: -45,000 ---------------------- Loses last turn: 60,951
Russian Gun OOB:124,000
Net of: 1000

Ready Rifle Squads: 44,600 Net change: +200

GHC OOB: 3,626,000 ----------Total Loses:2,281,617
Net of: +25,000---------------Loses last turn: 25,039
GHC Gun OOB: 39,400
Net of: +400
Men in GHC manpower Pool: 57k---- Active pool: 25k.

———–Won——–—Lost———Ratio
SHC——12—————6—–——–66%
GHC——3—————0——–—--100%


Hexes lost: 12
Hexes regained: 10
Net for 1943: 2


Air War

Ratio: 47 : 1

GHC loses: 7
SHC loses: 336

Another turkey shot in the air this turn.

SHC has best turn to date as far as won lose ratio. Many of the "lost" hexes are ones from the last turn SHC was not able to move troops into.

Armaments go up more this turn, rifle squads up, OOB up, SHC OOB drops again this turn. Tracking net hexes lost for the fun of it. Only had to counter attack once vs a stck of Corp and got 2 to 1 in loses. Most hexes SHC can't move into.






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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: January 1943 - 1/5/2013 11:31:54 PM   
Gunnulf

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gunnulf


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Looks like over the last 6 months SHC has moved the lines 40 miles closer in the north, 20 miles in center and holding and 30 miles in south.

OOB is basicly the same, guns, men and rifle squads.

I have some screen shots as of Jan 1943 I can post at some point that I can use as a bench mark for future turns. I will post them come spring.


Surely the biggest problem is historically in Jan43 the fighting was at best happening around Velike Luki approx 220miles east of your front lines (as of last maps from mid october). Also stalingrad still holding out too (500miles east - but obviously that's not necessarily a situation for any commander to aspire too...!!) However in a game of real estate to be honest you are very much behind the curve. Whats your current VP tally? Appreciate you are trying to put a positive spin on things but being 120miles from the Prussian border at this point is not something that the Fuehrer would have tolerated I think (understatement).



I never set out to take land, but build morale and try to keep it from the out set of game. That I have done no "spin" needed.

There are allot of things Hitler or Stalin would not like that we all do when we play this game.

I try not to use them as role models personally.

What have I spun in your all knowing all seeing opinion?

It is a game try not to take things so personal, loosen up kick back and have some fun.

I am.





What on earth would make you think I am taking anything personally? I came on here to have a friendly discussion regards the results thus far of your game, asking a genuine question on what your current VP tally is. Why the hostility?

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RE: January 1943 - 1/6/2013 6:28:20 AM   
Seminole


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Status: offline 		What have I spun in your all knowing all seeing opinion?

quote:

Looks like over the last 6 months SHC has moved the lines 40 miles closer in the north, 20 miles in center and holding and 30 miles in south.


You seemed positive about MT's ability to move the front in '42, and dismissive of the fact:

quote:

Surely the biggest problem is historically in Jan43 the fighting was at best happening around Velike Luki approx 220miles east of your front lines (as of last maps from mid october). Also stalingrad still holding out too (500miles east


In some way, I'm reminded of this fellow:



"Our initial assessment is that they will all die"
"We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe the level of casualties we have inflicted."
"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of [the Reich]. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."
"Their forces committed suicide by the hundreds. ... The battle is very fierce and God made us victorious. The fighting continues."
"Yesterday, we slaughtered them and we will continue to slaughter them."


Still enjoyable AAR to read, and I hope you're soon "roasting their stomachs in Hell."

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RE: January 1943 - 1/6/2013 9:52:27 AM   
Pelton


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Status: offline 		The lines are going to move the question is how fast will they move and can Berlin hold?

There is never any question about the GHC getting ground down, its how long will it take.

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10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: January 1943 - 1/6/2013 3:43:16 PM   
Seminole


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The lines are going to move the question is how fast will they move and can Berlin hold?


And the point is they are already well west of where they would be historically at this point, which affords GHC less room to fall back.
Obviously there are trade-offs between the length, depth, and strength of the line.
Your defensive adjustments may be great, but put to better use further east in '42 (after the Red Army has had more bites taken from it).

quote:

There is never any question about the GHC getting ground down, its how long will it take.


And the consensus is that GHC going to the defensive on turn 14 fails to keep the Red Army in check, and that it will happen faster than otherwise.
So we'll see.

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RE: January 1943 - 1/6/2013 4:28:00 PM   
Wuffer

 

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The lines are going to move the question is how fast will they move and can Berlin hold?


And the point is they are already well west of where they would be historically at this point, which affords GHC less room to fall back.


#1 the Fuhrer is dead. Rabies. After kissing Blondie. :-)
#2 the historical lines are irrelevant; this is not a simulation, but an abstraction :-)

quote:


Your defensive adjustments may be great, but put to better use further east in '42 (after the Red Army has had more bites taken from it).

Yes, but how?
Seriously, what has been the alternative on turn 14 (or so, pls look in the AARs), facing a non-beaten Red Army in winter? 100-150 miles further east, but maybe only of half CV strengh? As said, the game is an abstraction - the closer you look, the more 'interesting' details you will find. On both sides. 'nuff said. :-)

quote:


And the consensus is that GHC going to the defensive on turn 14 fails to keep the Red Army in check, and that it will happen faster than otherwise.
So we'll see.

The retreat was perhaps not that voluntarily, but obviously the lesser evil in Pelton's view.
And yeah, let's watch :-))

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RE: January 1943 - 1/6/2013 5:18:59 PM   
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#2 the historical lines are irrelevant;


I see them as a barometer of progress, since victory conditions are relevant to territory captured by particular dates.

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Yes, but how?


That's why I want to see a return game, where MT plays the Axis and Pelton puts his training in the defensive to use as the Red Army.

quote:

this is not a simulation, but an abstraction :-)


They're not mutually exclusive, all simulations involve abstraction.

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RE: January 1943 - 1/6/2013 6:08:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Seminole

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#2 the historical lines are irrelevant;


I see them as a barometer of progress, since victory conditions are relevant to territory captured by particular dates.


Feel free ... :-)
So how would you 'barometering' Terje's success-story?



quote:



That's why I want to see a return game, where MT plays the Axis and Pelton puts his training in the defensive to use as the Red Army.


Of course! Back in Toaw's time a simultan mirror was common practice. At least this would stopping the endless discussions of some hallucina-saurus.

quote:


quote:

this is not a simulation, but an abstraction :-)


They're not mutually exclusive, all simulations involve abstraction.


Ok, nevermind. I happily gave you the last word. :-)+
My point is: Instead of blaming someone we should recognize that all people will profite from exactly this game in the long run, as it will show a lot of potential improvements for further editions.
Monster games like this could not be perfect in the first try, think of CV, WitP, WitP_AE etc., think only of the necessary real time of one testgame.
We need blankpoint fighting to the bitter end; IIRC there was an alpha suggesting Q-Ball to give up after losing Moskwa ("you will never reach Berlin...") - based on a logic assumption, but assumptions are dangerous if you understand what I mean. Q-Ball didn't listen and Q-Ball won.

We didn't global, synthetic modifiers like the permanent blizzard morale punishment, but a more realistic supply organisation etc. etc. etc.


Greetings



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RE: January 1943 - 1/11/2013 1:14:25 AM   
Pelton


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Status: offline 		Turn 83--- GHC armaments: 3400 --------Only 128 turns to go----------


Russian Men OOB: 8,513,000---------Total Loses:5,160,135
Net of: -21,000 ---------------------- Loses last turn: 76,338
Russian Gun OOB:125,200
Net of: 1200

Ready Rifle Squads: 45,300 Net change: +700

GHC OOB: 3,639,000 ----------Total Loses:2,281,617
Net of: +13,000---------------Loses last turn: 35,281
GHC Gun OOB: 39,400
Net of: 00

———–Won——–—Lost———Ratio
SHC——14—————5—–——–73%
GHC——11—————0——–—--100%


Hexes lost: 14
Hexes regained: 11
Net for 1943: 3


Air War

GHC loses: 2
SHC loses: 178

Did some counter attacks but unlike last turn I did not move into any hexes.

As can be seen, most are a complete waste of men and equipment for GHC. GHC does better losing hexes then winning them.

It is really "odd" for sure, but standard for 43-45.




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GHC
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10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: January 1943 - 1/12/2013 1:14:59 PM   
Marquo


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Status: offline 		"As can be seen, most are a complete waste of men and equipment for GHC. GHC does better losing hexes then winning them."

Come on Pelton; the numbers are clear and speak for themselves: your attacks caused much more damagae to the Soviets when you won then when you lost simply defending. And there are moralel considersations...

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RE: January 1943 - 1/12/2013 8:38:23 PM   
Pelton


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Status: offline 		Turn 85--- GHC armaments: 0000 --------Only 127 turns to go----------


Russian Men OOB: 8,475,800---------Total Loses:5,316,000
Net of: -37,000 ---------------------- Loses last turn: 79,000
Russian Gun OOB:126,200
Net of: 1000

Ready Rifle Squads: 44,000 Net change: -1300

GHC OOB: 3,597,000 ----------Total Loses:2,360,000
Net of: -43,000---------------Loses last turn: 43,105
GHC Gun OOB: 39,100
Net of: -300

———–Won——–—Lost———Ratio
SHC——12—————5—–——–70%
GHC——2—————0——–—--100%


Hexes lost: 10
Hexes regained:
Net for 1943: 13


Air War

GHC loses: 9
SHC loses: 158

The ratios are not near close enough to make it worth counter attacking. Manpower and armaments can't make up for wasted counter attacks and only quicken the grinding of the GHC.

Sure they work vs someone you alrdy beaten down under the 7 million range, but not when the enemy is over 8+ million and with the extra manpower centers.

Morale is not an issue as I am still close to peak 41 GHC morale. SHC morale by design will start to sowly go up.

SHC has finally gotten to the pt where they can win more then 50% of the time.

< Message edited by Pelton -- 1/12/2013 10:12:22 PM >

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GHC
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10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: January 1943 - 1/19/2013 2:34:57 PM   
Pelton


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10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: January 1943 - 1/20/2013 1:02:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have asked earlier, but not answered... Again (more clearly), what are your expectations for Sov advance/Axis retreat positions in terms of time and space? Berlin falls when? or Berlin doesn't fall?

Must say you have a tenacious, clever defense. What would constitute a personal victory for you?

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RE: January 1943 - 1/21/2013 6:56:35 PM   
HITMAN202


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Status: offline 		What is your "peak" 41 inf morale. In 2 server games my average infantry on about the 10-11 turn, Mazzah - almost 80.5 and Goodgrief- almost 81. I've been going out of my way to jack them up. In one game (I forget which) after the 3 rd turn I only had 4 70's and 1 74 and 72(that is the infantry at the start of the game) and the rest were 75 or +++. Several divisions had 5 and 6 attacks the first turn alone !!!! They will go down. The Moscow grind ia about to start.

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RE: January 1943 - 1/25/2013 2:25:41 AM   
Pelton


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ORIGINAL: rrbill

Have asked earlier, but not answered... Again (more clearly), what are your expectations for Sov advance/Axis retreat positions in terms of time and space? Berlin falls when? or Berlin doesn't fall?

Must say you have a tenacious, clever defense. What would constitute a personal victory for you?


No idea.


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10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: January 1943 - 1/25/2013 2:27:28 AM   
Pelton


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ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

What is your "peak" 41 inf morale. In 2 server games my average infantry on about the 10-11 turn, Mazzah - almost 80.5 and Goodgrief- almost 81. I've been going out of my way to jack them up. In one game (I forget which) after the 3 rd turn I only had 4 70's and 1 74 and 72(that is the infantry at the start of the game) and the rest were 75 or +++. Several divisions had 5 and 6 attacks the first turn alone !!!! They will go down. The Moscow grind ia about to start.


If they do checker boards like MT and the game your in its easy to get 80.

The problem is in winter/blizzard you lose 16ish pts. So your looking at 55-65 on most units if SHC knows what they are doing.


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10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: March 1943 - 1/29/2013 11:42:58 PM   
Pelton


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Status: offline 		Turn 90--- GHC armaments: 0000 --------Only 122 turns to go----------


Russian Men OOB: 8,455,000---------Total Loses:5,688,000
Net of: -20,000 ---------------------- Loses last turn: 372,000
Russian Gun OOB:131,000
Net of: 5000

Ready Rifle Squads: 40,800 Net change: -3200

GHC OOB: 3,542,000 ----------Total Loses:2,530,000
Net of: -55,000---------------Loses last turn: 170,000
GHC Gun OOB: 39,000
Net of: -100





Air War

GHC loses last 5 turns:
SHC loses last 5 turns:

Total GHC:4,512
Total SHC:22,796

So far rifle squads is staying up and lines are holding. Men in manpower pool is only at 113,000 and arty is basicly static which means armaments is not an issue so far.

Mud is not to far of and looks like I might hold the rivers i wanted to, but time will tell.

< Message edited by Pelton -- 1/29/2013 11:53:34 PM >

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GHC
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10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: March 1943 - 2/7/2013 7:41:55 PM   
Joel Billings


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Status: online 		I've posted my comments about this game here: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3254415&mpage=4

I'm sorry we weren't able to save it.



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RE: March 1943 - 2/8/2013 11:22:09 PM   
STEF78

 

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Status: offline 		Your defence was as good as possible. Much better than what I am able to do; but giving so much ground in 1941 against a very good player like MT proved to be a wrong decision.

It could have work against a less good SHC player, but it wouldn't have happened. Against a weaker SHC, you would have taken Leningrad and not given such ground.

So the question is: has the GHC lost the game if he cannot take Leningrad in 1941?

Good luck in your others games.

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RE: March 1943 - 2/9/2013 2:43:14 AM   
Pelton


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ORIGINAL: STEF78

Your defence was as good as possible. Much better than what I am able to do; but giving so much ground in 1941 against a very good player like MT proved to be a wrong decision.

It could have work against a less good SHC player, but it wouldn't have happened. Against a weaker SHC, you would have taken Leningrad and not given such ground.

So the question is: has the GHC lost the game if he cannot take Leningrad in 1941?

Good luck in your others games.


It would be hard but not impossible, the thing is if you dont take Leningrad your up agianst a good player and you get nailed in the blizzard and be unable to move the lines much if any in 42.

Your right about the ground I should have started digging my winter 41/42 lines in July 1941 just east of the rivers. With out the ammo bug it would be next to impossible to move the lines at all until 43. Then in 43 summer simply with draw behind the 2 major rivers.

I basicly did this vs Kamil, lines did not crumble until 43/44 winter.

I had no idea what I was doing at the time.

If the GHC saved the morale which would be lost during blizzard it would make for a very tough army to break. You would be looking at a 4 million plus man OOB on January 44.

I pulled back a little to far vs MT coupled with ammo issue which has been fixed made for some hard fighting to be sure.

I think I could have held out until spring 45, not sure about making it to 212. Thats based on my game vs Kamil.

MT is as good as it gets as SHC so yes vs anyone other then the elite SHC players a draw looks to be not that hard using my strategy.


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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: March 1943 - 2/9/2013 1:41:04 PM   
rrbill


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Status: offline 		Have to admit it took a while to see what you were up to, but in the end, very instructive. Too bad the game went corrupt. There was too much technical issues to give your idea a good test.

BTW, "when" the SU "wins" is the issue. 9/44, 3/45, or ?

I'll look at the "Kamil" game, or have you another which best demostrates the tactic?

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