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RE: 3 wins 22 loses - 12/8/2012 9:35:36 PM   
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quote:

GHC men and guns is growing, fort belts are thickening.


I'm very curious how the sapper SUs (corps attached) and arty divisions will handle the forts come '43+

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RE: 3 wins 22 loses - 12/8/2012 9:42:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Disgruntled Veteran

Jeez Pelton,

Its not hating. The way you write your viewpoint is propaganda. I made a joke dude.


I was not talking about you, Wuffer was.

I was talking about allot of poeple not wanting to post on boards because of automatic negivite posts backlass they have to deal with, so they send me data ect and I have at it.

Herr Goebbels way of moving public option could not have been bad, because thats how most current goverments try to shape public opinoin. He was way ahead of his time, he knew the power of moving pictures decades before anyone esle.

A monster for sure, but not stupid.

< Message edited by Pelton -- 12/8/2012 9:43:55 PM >


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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


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RE: 3 wins 22 loses - 12/8/2012 9:50:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Seminole

quote:

GHC men and guns is growing, fort belts are thickening.


I'm very curious how the sapper SUs (corps attached) and arty divisions will handle the forts come '43+


I am sure much better unless I can get my SU commitments up to SJ's lvls.

I have improved from 2-4 to 6-8, but need 10+

The sappers have been taking massive loses/morale loses so if he keeps wasting them as he is they be usless for a while.

Once I started switching over to SJ's set-up my guns firing per battle has doubled. Causing allot more disrupted Russian units, which lowers CV. Some times he use same units and the amount of disrupted units is insane.

My next game I am keeping art toe at 90-100, lowering it is stupid looking back now. Some units will be at 100 some at 50 depending on cost and fire/effect.

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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

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RE: 3 wins 22 loses - 12/9/2012 2:21:53 PM   
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As to Herr Pelton's propaganda, he would have Michael T win earlier than most Soviet victories to achieve something. Herr Pelton's so-called victory might save a little face.

Pelton's strategy teaches a good defensive tactic for Axis and challenges Soviets to smart attacks.

Whether a distraction in Finnland means anything might have to be evaluated another time.

< Message edited by rrbill -- 12/9/2012 2:23:35 PM >

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RE: 3 wins 22 loses - 12/9/2012 2:41:29 PM   
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Are you swapping the romanians in and out versus some italian/hungarians? Only seen you show the romanians so far while you should be attempting to divert as much losses as possible on to the italians before their withdrawal.


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RE: 3 wins 22 loses - 12/9/2012 2:45:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mevstedt

Are you swapping the romanians in and out versus some italian/hungarians? Only seen you show the romanians so far while you should be attempting to divert as much losses as possible on to the italians before their withdrawal.




Good point, they are on river line with huns, because once rivers freeze they take allot of loses.

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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

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RE: 3 wins 22 loses - 12/9/2012 2:48:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rrbill

As to Herr Pelton's propaganda, he would have Michael T win earlier than most Soviet victories to achieve something. Herr Pelton's so-called victory might save a little face.

Pelton's strategy teaches a good defensive tactic for Axis and challenges Soviets to smart attacks.

Whether a distraction in Finnland means anything might have to be evaluated another time.


The basic point if any this if you stay or go the end result is the same vs a the best SHC players. I would be lucky to have 3.3 million men by now and be 50 miles to east less moral ect ect.

I seen what MT does in 42 if you stay.




< Message edited by Pelton -- 12/9/2012 2:49:14 PM >


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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

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RE: 3 wins 22 loses - 12/9/2012 3:20:03 PM   
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I can see your strategy, and, thanks to useful posts, I can understand your defensive tactic. I'm not one to fault WitE because it allows this strategy and these tactics, so play on. Chaulking up some ideas for myself.

BTW, what are your personal goals for the outcome? Soviets in Berlin, or wherever, by what date and what final loss ratios?

I think Michael T will win, only question is when and with what losses. Agree?

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RE: 3 wins 22 loses - 12/9/2012 5:04:44 PM   
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I'm getting sick of the "Put-down of Pelton" quips. I think I know the guy by reading 500 or more of this comments so here's my opinion....

1) He really doesn't care what you say or think unless he gets insight from the good (respectful) or bad (disrespectful) blogs.

2) He's the best German player (and he knows it) because a) of the joy and time he's spends playing WITE, b) his success in discovering new German tactics and strategy and 3) his willingness to share them.

3) His controversal comments/opinions/blogs are a sign of how talented he is by questioning and examining what others feel are WITE dogmas or, in the other extreme, insane fantasy.

Shame on him for being so involved in these AAR's and taking strong opinions. I see him treating people with respect until they merit , understandingly, a rougher approach.

Now his relationship with Michael T. When you've got two of the best WITE players (those who frequently play games with AAR's) going head to head, fur is going to fly. Sit back and enjoy it. I don't know about Michael T., but Pelton sure is !!!

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RE: 3 wins 14 loses - 12/9/2012 5:57:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rrbill

I can see your strategy, and, thanks to useful posts, I can understand your defensive tactic. I'm not one to fault WitE because it allows this strategy and these tactics, so play on. Chaulking up some ideas for myself.

BTW, what are your personal goals for the outcome? Soviets in Berlin, or wherever, by what date and what final loss ratios?

I think Michael T will win, only question is when and with what losses. Agree?


I guess my main goal starting out was I wanted to play the best to become a better player myself.

I have gained allot of knowledge and clearly have become a better player based on what to do and not to do.
Allot of the knowledge is from the my exp, but far more from allot of other guys wanting to share what they have learned. Been allot of fun talking with allot of other poeple who never post or post seldom.

off for a walk with the wife.


< Message edited by Pelton -- 12/10/2012 1:43:50 PM >


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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DiSQ36zfWk

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RE: 3 wins 14 loses - 12/10/2012 2:44:58 PM   
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Turn 62 GHC armaments: 0,000


Russian Men OOB: 8,529,000
Net of: -84,000
Russian Gun OOB:103,330
Net of: -520

GHC OOB: 3,604,000 Ready Rifle Squads: 46,250 Net change: -200
Net of: -20,000
GHC Gun OOB: 38,621
Net of: -124

覧蘭Won覧沫Lost覧由atio
SHC覧3覧覧14蘭覧18%
GHC覧0覧覧0覧沫100%

Permanent loss from game ratio is 3.4 :1

GHC Totals KIA: 663,521 POW: 12631

German - killed 19,270; pow 487 All disabled will return eventually. Total permanent losses = 19,757

SHC Totals KIA: 1,084,700 POW: 1,092,369 Disabled: 1,925,874

Soviet - killed 31,225; pow 1,000; change in disabled 51,758; actual disabled casualties caused in the turn ~69,421. 1/2 of disabled will return eventually, others will be permanent loss. Total permanent removed from game = 66,935


Air War. Luftwaffe痴 presents is being felt as units are upgraded and bases being moved to the area of attacks.


Ratio: 10 : 1

GHC loses: 22
SHC loses: 219


SHC basically attacked 6 hexes taking 3.

1 hex he attacked 1 time and it held.
2 hexes he attacked 2 times and they held.
2 hexes he attacked 3 times and he took both.
1 hex had to be attacked 6 times before it fell. Hex was bombed 10 times then 5 assaults by Rifle divisions and the last by Rifle and Tank Corps. The hex was attacked from 4 sides hehhe.

Again a decline in attacks and number per turn, ratio tic痴 up a .1
SHC again suffering a large drop in both manpower -84,000 and -520 guns
GHC drop mainly from several units withdrawing.





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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

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29 wins to 138 loses 17% for 42 summer - 12/10/2012 2:51:47 PM   
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The heaviest fighting has been in the Minsk area. The last 3 turns massive horde attacks of 6,8 and again 6 have been required to take a single hex. Last turn I moved in allot of air bases that痴 mainly why air ratio is up to 10:1. I will counter attack this turn and bomb the tank Corp in the area for some fun, takes longer to write the AAR then do the turn.

About 20 to 30 mins per turn now as everything is basically set-up.




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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

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RE: 3 wins 22 loses - 12/11/2012 12:19:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

I'm getting sick of the "Put-down of Pelton" quips. I think I know the guy by reading 500 or more of this comments so here's my opinion....



People are probably sick of the following boasting/gloating.

Slaughter on The Eastern Front 15.82 : 1 Ratio

Pelton vs MT - 29 wins to 138 loses 17%

Bobo's Epic failure 0 - 14 tring to take a single hex

GHC
15 - 3 - 3 with 4 on going.

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-1)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-0)

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Verdun - 12/11/2012 9:37:06 AM   
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Bobo's has nothing to do with boasting ect that should be clear go here: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3228977

I think Flaviusx would call's it cheesy

MT started all the boasting the I will win in 43 stuff and the spanking Pelton stuff not me, but seeing hes removed it I do same.

< Message edited by Pelton -- 12/11/2012 10:09:36 AM >


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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

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RE: Verdun - 12/11/2012 12:24:57 PM   
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Shame on Pelton for getting excited about a game that most have thought he's going to lose !!! Boasting !!! A little, but no one is forcing you to read his "palavar" (in whatever way you take this to mean !!) Would Gobbells do any differently ???

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RE: Verdun - 12/11/2012 11:46:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

Shame on Pelton for getting excited about a game that most have thought he's going to lose !!! Boasting !!! A little, but no one is forcing you to read his "palavar" (in whatever way you take this to mean !!) Would Gobbells do any differently ???


new patch looks like it will really help out.

Instead of attacking loses dropping off fast they will be more static.

Check the Molodechno battle

7300
3700
1700
1300
1300
500

total 8500
Attacking loses after 2nd battle were caused mostly by reserves and not units in hex. The end CV was about same.

So defenders will require less ammo now, so losses should go up

6800
5500
4500
3500
3000
2000

If you look over past battles Attacking loses drop off allot, because of lack of ammo.

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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

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RE: Verdun - 12/12/2012 2:43:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

Shame on Pelton for getting excited about a game that most have thought he's going to lose !!! Boasting !!! A little, but no one is forcing you to read his "palavar" (in whatever way you take this to mean !!) Would Gobbells do any differently ???

No one is forcing you to read what I post either.

You'll just have to learn to deal with it.

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5 Tank Corp Routed - 12/12/2012 4:50:06 PM   
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Turn 63 GHC armaments: 1,500


Russian Men OOB: 8,509,000
Net of: -20,000
Russian Gun OOB:105,330
Net of: +2000

GHC OOB: 3,594,000 Ready Rifle Squads: 46,008 Net change: -242
Net of: -10,000
GHC Gun OOB: 38,450
Net of: -170

覧蘭Won覧沫Lost覧由atio
SHC覧3覧覧18蘭覧14%
GHC覧6覧覧0覧沫100%

Permanent loss from game ratio is 4.85 : 1

GHC Totals KIA: 681,000 POW: 12994

German - killed 17,480; pow 330 All disabled will return eventually. Total permanent losses = 17,810

SHC Totals KIA: 1,084,700 POW: 1,093,369 Disabled: 1,925,874

Soviet - killed 39,750; pow 1,000; change in disabled 36,802; actual disabled casualties caused in the turn ~46,615. 1/2 of disabled will return eventually, others will be permanent loss. Total permanent removed from game = 86,365



Ratio: 5.5 : 1

GHC loses: 67
SHC loses: 371

Armaments is about static I am guessing as it goes to 0 then up some then back to zero.

SHC attacked 6 hexes taking 3.

1 hex SHC attacked 1 time and it held.
1 hex SHC attacked 2 times and it held.
2 hexes SHC attacked 4 times and one held and one was taken.
2 hexes SHC attacked 5 times and both were taken.

Ratio jumped up to 4.85 to 1 defending.

Below is the last of the 4 battles.




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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

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I Corp wipes out a months gains in a week for the loss ... - 12/12/2012 4:56:46 PM   
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4 attacks were made by AGC. I Corp showed up to put and end to the Minsk sillyness. SHC units are so packed that 5 Tank Corp were routed and 3 rifle divisions routed. SHC put the units out to dry, a few small attacks cut off the tank Corp then they were finished off with routes. Rookie mistake by MT.

The below screen shot is just from these 4 battles, I cleared data then did attacks. The totals are slightly different then the battle report but close so data is from battles only.

Here are combat losses for just these battles.
SHC Loses Men: 21,474 Guns: 351 afv: 219
GHC loses men : 6,825 Guns: 212 afv: 18

Combat ratio is 3.1 to 1 which is a high for attacking (42-45) when attacking Corp. Not as high as my defending ratio of 4.85 to 1 on the surface, but you have to remember all German disabled return. So that pushes ratio over 5 to 1.

As can be seen in the report SHC lost some heavy guns.

So basically all the hexes that SHC has had to take the last 4 turns (all of which required 4 or more attacks per hex) in this area were all lost in a single turn. For the loss of only men: 6,825 Guns: 212 afv: 18





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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DiSQ36zfWk

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RE: I Corp wipes out a months gains in a week for the l... - 12/12/2012 5:05:06 PM   
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I had a little more fun in the south, One of the 2 battles. SHC air forse took a beating in both battles.




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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DiSQ36zfWk

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RE: I Corp wipes out a months gains in a week for the l... - 12/12/2012 5:13:58 PM   
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I pulled another tank Corp from front for reserves as the tempo has slowed down. Looks like I can pull 5 more rifle divisions off line next turn.

Great turn over all.



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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DiSQ36zfWk

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RE: 5 Tank Corp Routed - 12/12/2012 5:14:36 PM   
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I'm surprised he would keep front line tank corps as STAVKA attachments - the combat penalties are not helpful and he should have enough APs to avoid it, I would think.

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RE: 5 Tank Corp Routed - 12/12/2012 5:55:37 PM   
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I'm surprised he would keep front line tank corps as STAVKA attachments - the combat penalties are not helpful and he should have enough APs to avoid it, I would think.


A few easy wins with a great ratio for GHC and a big hit to arm for next to nothing.


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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

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RE: 5 Tank Corp Routed - 12/12/2012 6:19:31 PM   
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It is interesting that the actual combat casualties look relatively similar to our game, outside of the extra million or so captured that I suffered due to actually having to take a beating in '42. Are you seeing those ratios come in or expand (i.e. good for you) at this point?

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RE: 5 Tank Corp Routed - 12/12/2012 10:12:12 PM   
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It is interesting that the actual combat casualties look relatively similar to our game, outside of the extra million or so captured that I suffered due to actually having to take a beating in '42. Are you seeing those ratios come in or expand (i.e. good for you) at this point?


I have refused to use the airfield and other exploits for over a yr and with random weather it is amazing hard to get pockets in 41.

You gave ground in south to avoid pockets. Games are very close other then land. You have about 1 million less men and I am guessing your over all moral is not that good also.

Playing SHC is not that easy. Some games I play guys that only have 6 - 6.5 million men and they are really hard to beat and other guys have 7 - 8 million men and are easy to defeat. I am still tring to figure out what the difference is.

You look at CV values and your like why is this guy at 30-50 cv in a fort and the other guy 10-30 and has 1 million more men. I guess its mostly moral in the end.


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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

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RE: 5 Tank Corp Routed - 12/14/2012 12:28:37 AM   
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Ok here is last turns results, whats different?

You can look back at other turns I have the battles listed.

MT got his 4 wins for less battles, but whats different?

post 166/ post 161/ post 134 that should be enough of a hint.




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GHC
22 - 4 - 8

15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DiSQ36zfWk

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RE: 5 Tank Corp Routed - 12/14/2012 1:59:39 AM   
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Turn 64--- GHC armaments:0 --------Only 148 turns to go---------- 39 turns of mud


Russian Men OOB: 8,535,000
Net of: +26,000
Russian Gun OOB:107,025
Net of: +1695

GHC OOB: 3,576,000 Ready Rifle Squads: 45,356 Net change: -356
Net of: -18,000
GHC Gun OOB: 38,314
Net of: -136

覧蘭Won覧沫Lost覧由atio
SHC覧4覧覧4蘭覧50 % much better for MT
GHC覧0覧覧0覧沫100%

Permanent loss from game ratio is 5.7 : 1

GHC Totals KIA: 700,244 POW: 13308

German - killed 19,244; pow 314 All disabled will return eventually. Total permanent losses = 19,548

SHC Totals KIA: 1,149,747 POW: 1,093,369 Disabled: 2,008,703

Soviet - killed 65,047; pow 1,376; change in disabled 82,829; actual disabled casualties caused in the turn ~(92,872)=Dis. 1/2 of disabled will return eventually, others will be permanent loss. Total permanent removed from game, KIA + POW + (1/2 Dis(92,872 / 2)) = 111,483



Ratio: 6.8 : 1

GHC loses: 34
SHC loses: 232

Last turn was the best turn by far as far as combat ratio goes. Air war was good also.

It would appear that german retreat losses are lower now and that SHC loses do not drop off after the 1st, 2nd or 3rd waves as in the past. Very good news, should make game go even longer.

RMA is same as before.

1 turn of data is not a trend, but first turn is as I had expected: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3231294








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8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


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RE: 5 Tank Corp Routed - 12/14/2012 8:09:50 PM   
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The new patch's ammo changes makes your tactics better and the repeated attacks that MT has been doing worse. The losses don't drop off as they used to as your troops conserve ammo for the later attacks.

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RE: 5 Tank Corp Routed - 12/14/2012 9:10:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: carlkay58

The new patch's ammo changes makes your tactics better and the repeated attacks that MT has been doing worse. The losses don't drop off as they used to as your troops conserve ammo for the later attacks.



I would say it is not a random event as this turn also the results are the same.

Steady losses to SHC no drop off and lower German retreat losses.

Check out the battle that took 5 wave assaults and compare to other 4 or 5 wave assault before patch I have them listed in the thread.

The numbers are the numbers.

This should help more games get into March/April 45 very very good patch.





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15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


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RE: 5 Tank Corp Routed - 12/15/2012 2:31:41 AM   
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Turn 65--- GHC armaments:0 --------Only 147 turns to go---------- 39 turns of mud-


Russian Men OOB: 8,456,000
Net of: -79,000
Russian Gun OOB:107,025
Net of: - 2264

GHC OOB: 3,564,000 Ready Rifle Squads: 45,356 Net change: + 237
Net of: -12,000
GHC Gun OOB: 38,116
Net of: -202

覧蘭Won覧沫Lost覧由atio
SHC覧5覧覧10蘭覧33 %
GHC覧0覧覧0覧沫100%

Permanent loss from game ratio is 4 : 1

GHC Totals KIA: 714,966 POW: 13703

German - killed 14,722; pow 395 All disabled will return eventually. Total permanent losses = 15,115

SHC Totals KIA: 1,178,251 POW: 1,095,933 Disabled: 2,008,703

Soviet - killed 28,504; pow 2,564; change in disabled 39,145; actual disabled casualties caused in the turn ~~(59,623)=Dis. 1/2 of disabled will return eventually, others will be permanent loss. Total permanent removed from game, KIA + POW + (1/2 Dis(59,623 / 2)) = 60,889

Ratio: 12 : 1

GHC loses: 18
SHC loses: 215

Another good turn 4 to 1 and SHC OOB dropped 79K and guns dropped 2264





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15 games ended in 41 (15-0-0)
7 games ended in 42 (5-0-2)
8 games ended in 43 (2-3-3)
4 games ended in 44 (0-1-3)


General Cheesefinder of WitW

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