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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/2/2012 6:05:10 PM

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Turn 6
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed during 1942 =
Russian losses this turn: 125,000 Total dead: 1,100,000
Russian OOB:4,328,000
A net gain of: 140,000men
Russian units currently in a pocket: 8
GHC OOB: 3,430,000
GHC net OOB change: -6,000

AGN: keeps pushing 3 hexes a turn "only" 24 hexes from cut off point. 1 more HQB done. I would say all replacements an new units come to north as center and south are easy now.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/2/2012 6:06:02 PM

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AGC keeps pushing 3 hexes a turn only 25 hexes from Moscow.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/2/2012 6:07:44 PM

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AGS sends 2 PZ Corp towards Moscow as AGS is only 25 hexes from Rostov and is area is more like a summer drive not a war zone.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/5/2012 6:38:36 PM

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Updates?

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/5/2012 8:57:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Updates?

Just got a turn from MT so I will update tonight mybee.

Nothing new really standard defend north to south stuff I seen before.

Best SHC strategy really and what I expected from MT( and am tring to figure out myself as SHC). This strategy is really the best now that 1.06.13 has nerfed center and south from turns 5-10 becuase of logistic issues.

I have center my strategy around this in all my current games as this is best way to go. So tring to figure out best way to over come it. I have had 3 chances to break through his lines, but in all 3 cases a total of 5 bad die rolls. Didn't even reduse fort lvls with 5 poineers per battle heheh GG effect.

As long as SHC does a checker board from tula south it cant be broken until turn 12 ish which by then all industry is gone an just leave.

So as GHC and SHC south is really a back water now. GHC has to take it so can't really not hit it hard as 2/3 of manpower points are in that area of operations.

Moscow is easlly defended now, enough I can do it in first game. WiTE is now basicly about fight for Leningrad in 1941

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/5/2012 11:21:58 PM

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I agree that in the south, he's largely letting you do what you please so occupying the Donbas doesn't look to be an issue.

Moscow, I'm not so much in agreement. To some extent its survival in 1941 depends on how much time the Soviet has to get forts in place and how much the Soviet commits to the area. Strictly from a standpoint of terrain, Leningrad has to be considered the more defensible. But in virtually every case, Soviet players put more into Moscow's defense because it is of course the larger prize.

It's hard to see from what you're showing what the Soviet defenses look like. Maybe once the grand sweeping movements slow down, you can provide a more detailed look.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/6/2012 3:53:20 AM

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Turn 7
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed during 1942 =
Russian losses this turn: 85,000 Total dead: 1,185,000
Russian OOB:4,468,000
A net gain of: 144,000men
Russian units currently in a pocket: 4
GHC OOB: 3,433,000
GHC net OOB change: 3,000

I still have at least 50% of my infantry not in contact with the front, 95% are a 95% toe. Not much combat still mostly marching forward. Things should get interesting around turn 10 as all infantry will be at front and railheads will be close enough for HQB�s

Basicly the same SHC strategy as M60/Bobo/Hugh ect ect. Delay, evac and then fighting starts around turn 10.

AGN: OK now the going will be very hard. Until I cross rivers to south of lake.
2nd Army with 10 fresh infantry divisions will arrive next turn, but the main assault will not start until turn 9. No need to HQB the railhead is withen 10 hexes of front. I will have to assault east. Vs Brian it took me until turn 11 before I broke out. SHC has allot stronger forses. So 9th and 2nd with a few panzer untils will start assaulting NE towards Leningrad and the rest of AGN will push across to east.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/6/2012 3:54:06 AM

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AGC keeps pushing 3 hexes a turn only 22 hexes from Moscow. 46 PZ Corp pushed north
Another 80 miles. Tring to force SHC to deploy more troops along the line. Basicly the very same thing I do every game

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/6/2012 3:54:55 AM

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AGS advances another 30 to 50 miles. Doing just fine down here. Looks like SHC is forming some lines. Infantry are still tring to get into the fight.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/6/2012 3:59:03 PM

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This game is very tuff going for sure as expected. SHC is basicly giving me what I want from Tula south which is the min a GHC player needs. Leningrad is not a sure thing and Moscow is not likely.

I am probably more then likely going to have to reley on pocketing units late in summer like vs Bobo/Brian to name a few get tha AP crunch rolling.

Then to counter the cav exploit, I be saving up a bunch of AP points to do a bunch of HQ's on Infantry Corps so supplies(still bugged) and MP's will not be an issue during December. Hopefully this will put a large gap between me and SHC infantry forses the first turn of Blizzard. I just have to survive and then start marching back east in late February.

I am guessing MT's Blizzard strategy will be same as Bobo's. Charge west with mobil forses and some infantry, while 1/2 infantry start digging a 1942 summer defensive line several 100 miles from the winter front lines. Then probably a delaying action, buying time to diggin better. At some point in this ball room dance of a game a fight might breakout.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/6/2012 5:42:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Pelton

This game is very tuff going for sure as expected. SHC is basicly giving me what I want from Tula south which is the min a GHC player needs. Leningrad is not a sure thing and Moscow is not likely.

I am probably more then likely going to have to reley on pocketing units late in summer like vs Bobo/Brian to name a few get tha AP crunch rolling.

Then to counter the cav exploit, I be saving up a bunch of AP points to do a bunch of HQ's on Infantry Corps so supplies(still bugged) and MP's will not be an issue during December. Hopefully this will put a large gap between me and SHC infantry forses the first turn of Blizzard. I just have to survive and then start marching back east in late February.

I am guessing MT's Blizzard strategy will be same as Bobo's. Charge west with mobil forses and some infantry, while 1/2 infantry start digging a 1942 summer defensive line several 100 miles from the winter front lines. Then probably a delaying action, buying time to diggin better. At some point in this ball room dance of a game a fight might breakout.

Bugged how? Check V1.06.11 item 1.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/6/2012 6:31:24 PM

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I reported bug and have yet to see it fixed. Anyone can easly fill up any infantry or other HQ with 1000's of supplies.

I had over 4500 in this unit a few turns later.

This is the very same bug that me and MT rode hard and put to bed wet for over a yr before it was fixed.

They fixed the fuel bug not the supply bug.

It is still active long after 1.06.11 I think we are on 1.06.14 as a matter of fact I report it back around 1.05 release, but whos keeping track.

How do you think them cav never run out of supplies 200+ miles from railheads?

a) The amount of supplies and fuel delivered to a HQ conducting HQ Buildup is now equal to the total needs of all of the on map units attached to the HQ (supplies/fuel already on hand do not alter this calculation). This replaces the old method of basing supplies/fuel delivered on the AP cost of the buildup. These will then be distributed to bring the units up to 100% of their need with the unused remainder remaining in the HQ.

Its not working as I posted. Supplies still pile up and stay in HQ's as fuel use to. Sure fuels working as the HQ's don't end up with 1200 ish fuel after build-up.

Supplies build up amazing high and the stay. The HQ in question supplies kept going up turn after turn and ended up at over 4500 by the end of summer.

If thats what you call working then cool beans dude.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/6/2012 8:41:39 PM

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A HQ BU will give what is paid for; a full load of Supply, Fuel & Ammo for the units doing the BU. Ammo will be moved to HQ as Supply and the units will get what they need to top up to 100%, converting Supplies to Ammo as needed. Anything left over after that units have 100% of S, F & A will stay at the HQ, though as S & F only.

Trucks are being damaged and destroyed to move the supplies as well.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/7/2012 3:25:46 AM

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A HQ BU will give what is paid for; a full load of Supply, Fuel & Ammo for the units doing the BU. Ammo will be moved to HQ as Supply and the units will get what they need to top up to 100%, converting Supplies to Ammo as needed. Anything left over after that units have 100% of S, F & A will stay at the HQ, though as S & F only.

Trucks are being damaged and destroyed to move the supplies as well.

The damage means little as a few trucks can be replace, but several dozen divisions + morale are not easly replaced.

As a SHC a few 1000 lost trucks means nothing if I can pocket 20+ german divisions and drive 200 mile past railheads. The hole truck lost thing is a joke for both sides.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/7/2012 4:09:56 AM

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Pelton, I think you are projecting your experience with trucks as the Axis player on to the Soviets. The Axis certainly never is hurting for trucks, but this cannot be said for the Soviet, who is struggling for transport until mid to late 1943.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/7/2012 2:47:48 PM

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Pelton, I think you are projecting your experience with trucks as the Axis player on to the Soviets. The Axis certainly never is hurting for trucks, but this cannot be said for the Soviet, who is struggling for transport until mid to late 1943.

Part of the issue is that the status of trucks doesn't necessarily manifest itself in easy to see game terms where a player will see what is going on and know it is caused by a shortage of trucks.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/7/2012 3:46:06 PM

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Pelton, I think you are projecting your experience with trucks as the Axis player on to the Soviets. The Axis certainly never is hurting for trucks, but this cannot be said for the Soviet, who is struggling for transport until mid to late 1943.

Your right after the blizzard if SHC wasted allot its effect will be felt by SHC - and GHC + .

Its effects while they are being smoked during blizzard are really not seen.

Its a gamble.

With the logistics change HQB's for GHC are about 1/2 of what they were in the past so trucks should never be an issue now.

The SHC pushing to hard during blizzard without pocketing allot of German divisions will and has in many of my games really weakened the red army to the point where I am able to hold lines and start moving east in February.

If the SHC can pocket enough divisions the GHC can't mount a real offensive and there is no hang over.

I guess its like the Germans attacking into late 42 and early 43 you have to know when its time to stop.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/7/2012 5:16:19 PM

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Hi Pelton,

It's not really down to the Blizzard. Truck production is just so low for he Soviets that until LL comes online and ramps up they're always struggling to just have enough trucks to do basic stuff and can't even contemplate massively expanding their army into a Mechanised force.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/9/2012 9:14:50 PM

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Turn 8
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed during 1942 =
Russian losses this turn: 98,000 Total dead: 1,283,000
Russian OOB:4,503,000
A net gain of: 35,000men
Russian units currently in a pocket: 6
GHC OOB: 3,418,000
GHC net OOB change: 15,000

Only 9 divisions under 90% toe out of 104. Infantry in great shape so far.

AGN:Grinding forward.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/9/2012 9:16:22 PM

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AGC: 5 divisions pocketed and the lines move another 30 miles east.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/9/2012 9:17:34 PM

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AGS: Lines move another 30 miles to east and a few more units pocketed.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/16/2012 3:06:16 PM

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Little time for AAR's the last few weeks so read MTs.

AGN has hit a wall, but keeps advancing slowly.

Tula south manpower centers are falling.

Unit Morale is very high. I really have little consern for SHC OOB numbers as can be seen from my games with Bobo/Hugh and many other AAR have proven out.

41 (1.06.13+) is all about GHC morale after blizzard. I expect MT's blizzard skills to be atleast as good as Bobo so GHC is alrdy setting up blizzard lines and forming plans for 42-45.

GHc is going to be short by about 50 manpower points for 41, nothing that cant be recovered from. Land wise GHC will be a little short in center and in north before blizzard.

I expected a hard fought 41 from MT and am getting it so far.

The blizzard is key before the summer of 42.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/26/2012 12:44:22 AM

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Turn 19

The game has basicly gone as I thought before we started.

1.06.13 holding Moscow any moron even me can hold it.

Holding Leningrad is 100% possible if you know how, MT has done it vs 2 good GHC players.

As we all know know railing out industry as SHC is a cake walk and newbie (even I can easly do). This means 20+ units or more can be railed to north. As far as I know TDV was the first to do this and easly hold Leningrad even with the old HQB rules when muling and using air bases as ammo dumps was possible.

So now with 1.06.13 most of us morons will be able to hold Moscow in our sleep and as soon as we copy the TDV Leningrad defence, Leningrad holding will be a cake walk also.

Again as I have posted I have yet to see Moscow fall in a 1.06.13+ game.

As I have been saying for 18+ months the GHC can only take what it is given all things being equal.

As of 1.06.13 SHC can easly hold Moscow and soon Leningrad. This is because the south is a side show and industry window dressing if even that at this point. Playing the SHC has opened my eyes as to how easly it is to stop GHC from doing much of anything now.

After turn 9 a checkboard is really not even needed in the south as MT will tell you. The SHC will know that Leningrad and Moscow will not fall so all rail goes to the southern industry.

As GHC my options vs a very skilled SHC of which I only see 3. Flaviusx,MT and TDV.

Before I started the push east my #1 goal was farming morale.

As we all have seen the blizzard is a joke as it is not close to historical. The only large pockets were formed by Germans and not Russian forses in 41/42

So I took what I was given morale.

I know for sure that during blizzard MT would have pocketed a min of 25 german divisions as I am guessing he has 1/2 the skills TDV has.

This would have made my 42 offensive not even possible. This is based on my personal exp and many other AAR's and would have lead to my defeat in late 44.

I have based my game plan on morale, the over rated 41/42 blizzard, manpower out put #'s from 42-45 and past exp.

I fully expect 2by3 to nerf my game plan to save MT.

At this point all things being equal SHC will be at the German border in late 44 if your stick around for the Middle Earth blizzard of 41/42 or farm morale and run back behind the blizzard line.

Why stick around and lose 17 points of morale to general winter?
Why stick around and lose another 3000 pts off morale over all to SHC attacks?
Why stick around and lose 750,000 men to general winter?

Your going to lose in late 44 anyways so why not save the morale, save the men, and armament pts?

1.06.16 was a GHC nerf patch.

I am still waiting on a patch that brings the 41/42 blizzard in line with what was Earth based history and not Middle Earth history.

I expect the next few patchs to nerf the GHC and pump up SHC manpower #s and combat ratio's as our game plays out.

Ok back to the game at hand.

MT has lost only 2.1 million men. Seems good, but Hugh only lost 2.3 million and myself in my first game 2.5 million.

So I fully expect MT's #'s to be around 7.5 million by summer, which is really nothing specail for June 42 as we have all seen in many AAR's. Many of these SHC games with huge armys loss the game.

I have played games where I can't push through a SHC army with only 6 million come summer, **** TDV army only had 4 million. Then I have played in games where I cut through the SHC army of 7-8 million men like butter.

We have all seen other AAR's where the very same thing happens, so no I am not specail heheh. Its a simple fact.

The real question is why?

Morale is why in all of my cases. If I lose to much morale during blizzard my 42 summer O sucks and I loss no matter how large or small the SHC OOB.

If my morale is good no matter the size of SHC OOB ( or any other GHC player for that matter) I easly pocket it and game set match.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/26/2012 12:47:05 AM

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OOB

Again SHC OOB is nothing specail at this point or for that matter GHC OOB. ( high for me heheh)

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/26/2012 12:51:13 AM

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I know Flaviusx has a hang up on SHC OOB's, but it means little. As TDV's OOB was only 4 million and I could do little. When GHC infantry morale is sub 60 your talking 3 cv. So you can have more men then the SHC, but they are usless and your unable to regain it.

GHC infantry morale is the most important stat for GHC not manpower or squad #s.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/26/2012 12:57:41 AM

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What I do expect is the majority of my infantry morale to be +80 as it is now, panzers +88 as it is now and a very large and powerfull GHC come the spring of 42, 4 million?.

I expect SHC morale to be in the tank, 8 million men and no guards at all.

MT's options are to fight forward or to diggin behind the rivers.

It doesn't really matter to me which option he picks.

I have taken what I was given and made the most of it.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 9/26/2012 1:00:30 AM

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On a side note MT is not going to be around much for a week and I am going on vacation the following week.

So dont expect any fire works until December ish, when we get to the spring of 42.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 10/7/2012 12:49:59 AM

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Vacation time for me and The German Army.

So far this game is going as expected as I have stated more then once.

MT has played close to 30 games as GHC or SHC and only 2 times has anyone made it into 1942.

So I am hitting MT main weakness, staying power. I know the feeling, my first dozen games were cake walks ending before winter even set it.

It was unsettling for me to have games go into 42 at first, but after a while you learn from it.

I am in total control of the game at this point and hes not liking it I am guessing.

No one has been able to control him, until now and I am sure its a little unsettling for him.

MT is going into the unknown and has to 100% relying on info he is getting from other poeple about 42-45. Something he has never had to do before.

I have played 11 games into 42+ and will have 5 including this one into 42+.

I already know what to expect and he doesn't have any exp.

As far as the Poland rewind goes I dont beleive anyone has done it as I have.

I have planned from the start of the game to do this.

No one has ever had this large or high of a morale German army that will be moving east in June 1942, nothing even close.

MT will surely have the largest Russian OOB come June 1942, but he will also have the lowest morale russian army to ever see June 1942.

Morale is CV, numbers matter but not nearly as much as morale and exp.

I know what to expect come summer as I have tested this strategy already vs a friend who was nice enough to spend the time to test it out.

I know basicly where I need the lines to be come late 42 and late 43.

Now how it plays out vs MT will be another matter all together, for better or worse.

Once I get back from vacation next Sunday we will hopefully get to June 42 asap.

What really interests me the most is if MT has the stomach to last past 43.

< Message edited by Pelton -- 10/7/2012 12:51:27 AM >

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 10/7/2012 1:05:05 AM

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Oh my, the smack talk is on. Pelton has thrown down the gauntlet. Will be interesting to see the comments come Winter of 42.

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RE: Pelton vs MT - 10/7/2012 2:05:30 AM

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Pelton, even under the best circumstances, the Red Army morale is crap in 1942. Mid 40ish on average. A few dozen guards rifle divisions doesn't move the needle much here. The morale is basically baked into the game.

The real variable is first of all: how large it is going into 1942? And secondly, where is it at and how much terrain does it have to play with. I can hardly imagine a more favorable situation for the Soviets than the one you have handed to Michael.

The rope a dope thing you are planning can be countered. You've effectively given him a free setup, with 8 million or more men and replacement pools flowing to infinity. You are going to find out that morale, in fact, is not everything, and that quantity has a quality of its own, particularly when allied with time and space.

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