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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/8/2012 1:21:56 AM   
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How about Operation Shingle? Allied forces landed behind enemy lines and held an area of about 100 square miles against what would eventually become 135,000 Germans. And they did it from Jan 22nd - May 22nd.

This would be like in WitP landing in a hex and then having to keep it supplied, maintain air superiority, provide naval bombardment to keep it from being overrun and rotate in fresh troops for 120 turns. Ultimately 43,000 casualties were take against 40,000 Axis. More blood was shed in a small space than just about anywhere else in WW2.


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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/8/2012 5:23:45 AM   
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Rorke's Drift.



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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/8/2012 4:31:42 PM   
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Wasn't there a seige at Peking during the Boxer rebellion?

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/8/2012 5:40:12 PM   
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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/8/2012 6:13:12 PM   
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How about Operation Shingle? Allied forces landed behind enemy lines and held an area of about 100 square miles against what would eventually become 135,000 Germans. And they did it from Jan 22nd - May 22nd.



Operation what? Are you talking about Anzio?


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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/8/2012 6:40:16 PM   
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I believe so.

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/8/2012 10:03:29 PM   
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The Siege of Harlech Castle ( 1461-1468 )

The Lancastrians held out for more than seven years before being overcome by the Yorkists.
The siege is immortalised in the song 'Men of Harlech'.
(This came to mind when I saw Rorke's Drift mentioned)

The Siege of Leningrad ( 1941-1944 )

Enough said!

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/8/2012 10:16:36 PM   
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How about Operation Shingle? Allied forces landed behind enemy lines and held an area of about 100 square miles against what would eventually become 135,000 Germans. And they did it from Jan 22nd - May 22nd.



Operation what? Are you talking about Anzio?



Anzio was the landing. Shingle is the entire battle including the air and naval battle.
Surprised that WW2 fans have never heard of the operation name.

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 6:54:02 AM   
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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 9:07:47 AM   
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I'm pretty sure no Americans were involved at Rourke's Drift.
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Just wait for the Hollywood re-make. Two versions are being contemplated:

1. Rafe McCauley's grandad takes over from the bumbling Bromhead and leads the British to victory - personally killing 14,000 Zulu warriors with his bare hands.

2. Mel Gibson leads the Zulu's to victory, not only at Rorke's Drift, but then proceeds to kick the British out of Africa.

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 9:58:49 AM   
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4. I tried to think of something from the Civil War, but the Siege of Chattanooga never got "life or death" (probably thanks to the ineptness of Bragg) and neither did the Siege of Knoxville. I couldn't think of any other instance.



Vicksburg maybe? 33.000 holding out against 77.000 for more than 40 days.

Well, not exactly "surrounded in enemy country" but rather surrounded in their own...


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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 2:20:57 PM   
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Anzio was the landing. Shingle is the entire battle including the air and naval battle.
Surprised that WW2 fans have never heard of the operation name.


"WW2 fans"?

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 2:36:14 PM   
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How about Julius Caesar at the Battle of Alesia? Surrounded and besieged by thousands of Gauls while besieging a town full of thousands of Gauls. He formed a tactical donut and fought both.

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 3:40:24 PM   
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Hornet's Nest at Shiloh? I don't recall whether they were COMPLETELY surrounded, but nearly so.

Three sides only.

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 3:46:24 PM   
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There was also a "lost battalion" in WWI. Nine companies of the 77th Infantry Division, if I recall correctly. And it would have to be considered in Indian Country, since EVERYBODY seems to be France's enemy.

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 4:24:23 PM   
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I think there was surrounded units at some point in the fighting at Pork Chop hill, Korean war.

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 4:25:54 PM   
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The Battle of the Imjin River and the British 29th Infantry Brigade.

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 5:04:23 PM   
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Battle of Buffalo Wallow (Indian Wars)

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 6:29:07 PM   
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Back to Rorke's Drift. No remakes please. I love watching "Zulu Dawn" for the action at Isandlwanna and then "Zulu" for the Rorke's Drift episode later that day, where you see what a great actor the young Michael Caine is going to be.

Another action later that year fits the bill as well. In the Battle of Ulundi the Brits and their native troops formed a divisional square, with cavalry (Lancers, Dragoons, Light Horse and Native (Natal) Horse) moving in and out as appropriate. The Zulus attacked from all sides but were annihilated with many of their wounded executed. The Royal Kraal of Ulundi was then burnt to the ground (it burned for three days).

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 8:37:41 PM   
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I'm pretty sure no Americans were involved at Rourke's Drift.
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Just wait for the Hollywood re-make. Two versions are being contemplated:

1. Rafe McCauley's grandad takes over from the bumbling Bromhead and leads the British to victory - personally killing 14,000 Zulu warriors with his bare hands.

2. Mel Gibson leads the Zulu's to victory, not only at Rorke's Drift, but then proceeds to kick the British out of Africa.


My money is on No.2.


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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/9/2012 8:38:46 PM   
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How about Julius Caesar at the Battle of Alesia? Surrounded and besieged by thousands of Gauls while besieging a town full of thousands of Gauls. He formed a tactical donut and fought both.


Got to be one of the greatest siege's of all time!!


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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/10/2012 12:01:23 AM   
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How about Julius Caesar at the Battle of Alesia? Surrounded and besieged by thousands of Gauls while besieging a town full of thousands of Gauls. He formed a tactical donut and fought both.


Got to be one of the greatest siege's of all time!!




You know how the US Marines are every man a rifleman? The Romans were kind of like that except every man an engineer. Winners do not forget that.

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/10/2012 12:13:57 AM   
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Me at the in laws house.......

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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/10/2012 2:57:08 AM   
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quote:

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How about Julius Caesar at the Battle of Alesia? Surrounded and besieged by thousands of Gauls while besieging a town full of thousands of Gauls. He formed a tactical donut and fought both.


Got to be one of the greatest siege's of all time!!



I still have fond memories of the board game. Although it's long gone I think I still have the Vercingetorix counter kicking around somewhere.


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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/10/2012 2:58:17 AM   
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Me at the in laws house.......





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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/10/2012 5:26:17 AM   
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The Battle of the Imjin River and the British 29th Infantry Brigade.


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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/10/2012 5:26:57 AM   
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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/10/2012 8:37:33 AM   
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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/10/2012 10:26:43 AM   
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How very true!!


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RE: "Surrounded in Enemy Country" - 8/10/2012 10:30:36 AM   
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How about Julius Caesar at the Battle of Alesia? Surrounded and besieged by thousands of Gauls while besieging a town full of thousands of Gauls. He formed a tactical donut and fought both.


Got to be one of the greatest siege's of all time!!



I still have fond memories of the board game. Although it's long gone I think I still have the Vercingetorix counter kicking around somewhere.



Did it come with Asterix & Obelisk counters??

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