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RE: Bombers intercept? - 8/5/2012 9:08:46 PM   
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My bombers have a interception setting?

Very interesting, very exciting, very strange.
Who or what will my bombers intercept?





I'd guess it's a holdover from AT/ATG. All air based units have an intercept rating. For bombers just turn it to 0 like you'd do in AT/ATG.

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RE: Bombers intercept? - 8/6/2012 1:10:57 PM   
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What type of bombers were these, Templer? Fighter-bombers, or level bombers, or dive bombers? Maybe they aren't so much "intercepting" as providing close air support, on defense?

I'm pretty sure I've seen enemy bombers "intercept" me. If they're providing close air support, maybe that's okay.

I hope Vic can explain what's going on here, as I'm curious too.

The setting is with each aircraft.
But with bombers, transport planes and dive bombers this setting is complete nonsense.
Or don't I understand something?

Imagine, bombers after a emergency start hunting in a dog fight enemy fighters.

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RE: Bombers intercept? - 8/6/2012 8:29:25 PM   
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Ok the INTCP setting just appears for all air units. However divebombers, transporters and levelbombers will never, no matter the intercept setting, join an intercept mission, even when mixed with fighters in the same unit.

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RE: Bombers intercept? - 8/6/2012 9:39:09 PM   
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Status: online 		Why do stuff like this happen then ? The bomber wasn't in the hex attacked.




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RE: Bombers intercept? - 8/6/2012 9:42:56 PM   
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Status: online 		Or hm looking at my own picture it seems like the intercepting unit was just misidentified as a bomber one, I thought I had seen bombers intercepting but maybe im just confused.

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RE: Bombers intercept? - 8/7/2012 8:19:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just got intercepted by the Soviets when bombing an infantry unit as Germany.
Casualties for the Soviets are (from casualties inflicted statistic, it is the very first action in very first turn): 5 fighters and 10 LEVELBOMBERS.

How can this be if they don't intercept?

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RE: Bombers intercept? - 8/7/2012 10:03:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		It just shows the icon for the bomber even though they are not intercepting.

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RE: Bombers intercept? - 8/8/2012 12:01:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, I mean the Soviets literally lost 10 bombers. I looked it up because I was wondering why they lost only 5 fighters even though the combat result was 3 red planes and they lost 5 fighters and 10 bombers (Polikarpov U-2 to be precise).

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RE: Bombers intercept? - 8/8/2012 10:44:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Apart from the Bombers intercepting, I have another question about the game mechanics regarding air power - how is it determined whether I lose bombers when attacking ground units? I am always trying to be as careful as possible: first flying air attacks/recon missions with fighters to try and gain air superiority - as far as I have experienced fighters can only intercept you once per turn? Then I never ever attack units where any AA is within 2 hexes. Then I bomb the lone infantry/AT guns/artillery with my Kampfgeschwaders (level bombers, JU88 and HE111). And STILL I am very often losing ground attack planes - is this realistic? Losing medium/heavy bombers to fire from the ground from a regular infantry regiment?
Or could it be that something else attacked my planes (what?!?) and it is just not shown in the combat results?

And apart from the discussion whether it is realistic or not, how is it determined through the game mechanics anyway? I don't see any AA statistics for non-AA units?

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RE: Bombers intercept? - 8/8/2012 6:22:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		All of your question can be answered when you go into the Combat Details screen. Once it opens, click around you will have the answers to all of your questions.

I am pretty sure that you only can lose Bombers from either (1) Ftr intercepts, (2) Heavy Flak (88's for example), or (3) Accidents. I do not know the math behind accidents, but that causes kills.

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HQ intercept? - 8/8/2012 7:36:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, this is my HQ 1st Panzer Army.

Someone tell me now, what will my HQ intercept?





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RE: HQ intercept? - 8/8/2012 9:15:59 PM   
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Someone tell me now, what will my HQ intercept?






He'll intercept all the really good booze heading to the front!

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RE: HQ intercept? - 8/8/2012 10:35:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		How does von Kleist get a Staff Ratio of 43.33? Did you remove all of his subordinate units? Did you also do something to assign him only AIR or something wacky like that? My point is that entire von Kleist window is weird.

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RE: HQ intercept? - 8/9/2012 10:39:18 AM   
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How does von Kleist get a Staff Ratio of 43.33? Did you remove all of his subordinate units? Did you also do something to assign him only AIR or something wacky like that? My point is that entire von Kleist window is weird.

I did nothing weird.
Here more information about Kleist. Same HQ, same scenario, a few turns later.





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Replacemant to stranger - 8/11/2012 4:36:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, HQ receive replacement. I know.
But sometimes non-HQ units also receive replacements.
Like this 13th Panzer Division.

What didn't I understand?





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RE: HQ intercept? - 8/11/2012 5:28:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did you receive some aircraft replacements several rounds ago?

The excess troops will stay in the supreme HQ, until there are vacancies in OOB.

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I don't understand a word! - 8/13/2012 8:30:35 PM   
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Did you receive some aircraft replacements several rounds ago?

The excess troops will stay in the supreme HQ, until there are vacancies in OOB.


Aircraft replacements several rounds ago?
What do you want to do with it?

Vacancies in OOB?
In a regiment of a Panzer division?

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Different settings. Why? What's the difference? - 8/14/2012 10:37:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		The settings on the left image, my 370th infantry division show: RPL = 100% (100%).

The settings on the right image, my Romanian 2nd infantry division shows: PRIORITY (100%).

What's the difference?
Why is this different settings?






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RE: I don't understand a word! - 8/14/2012 11:49:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		You must be playing the 1st Panzer Army Campaign.
The 1st Panzer Army HQ is the supreme HQ instead of OKH in scenario.
If there are some replacements, it should first be transferred to 1st Panzer Army HQ, then distribute to the units requested them.
But, for one aircraft group, only 5 planes can be transferred in one round, others are waiting in 1st Panzer Army HQ.
And if there is no unit has requested, it stay in 1st Panzer Army HQ too.

If there are some aircraft in it, it is supposed to be an air unit, and you can set int or use it to bomb enemies.




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RE: Different settings. Why? What's the difference? - 8/14/2012 11:58:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		If there is a HQ in the HQ chain of Romanian 2nd Infantry division has been set to PRIORITY(PRIO), all HQs and non-HQ units under it in the command tree will be PRIORITY(xx%).
So, check its HQ and higher.

The PRIORITY units will receive replacements first, you can check "autoreinforcelog.txt" under logs directory.

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RE: Different settings. Why? What's the difference? - 8/14/2012 12:40:05 PM   
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Sorry, don't get it.

Both, 370th infantry division and Romanian 2nd infantry division are assigned to HQ.

So...





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RE: Different settings. Why? What's the difference? - 8/14/2012 1:07:08 PM   
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Check the "III CORPS".

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RE: Different settings. Why? What's the difference? - 8/14/2012 1:44:39 PM   
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@Templer

Check the "III CORPS".

Checked it.
And? What should I looking for?





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RE: Different settings. Why? What's the difference? - 8/14/2012 1:57:08 PM   
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The RPL of "III CORPS".
If III CORPS is set to PRIORITY(PRIO), then the unit under it like Romanian 2nd Inf. can be set to PRIORITY(100%) .

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RE: Different settings. Why? What's the difference? - 8/14/2012 2:52:37 PM   
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@Templer
The RPL of "III CORPS".
If III CORPS is set to PRIORITY(PRIO), then the unit under it like Romanian 2nd Inf. can be set to PRIORITY(100%) .

This was a difficult birth.
But I've now understood.

Thanks for the help.

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Question still not answered - 8/14/2012 6:14:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Still not, after 19 days, does someone has a answer to the issue in post #: 1 what that green triangle with its values​​ stands for!

The attempt to answer in post #: 2 by alex0809 has not confirmed or denied so far.

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RE: Question still not answered - 8/14/2012 6:57:17 PM   
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If attack or defense score is indicated with 2 values like 100/50 it means the first value is used by the side thats on the offensive (trying to take the hex) and the second by the side thats on the defensive (trying to hold the hex).

vic has answered in post #6.

They are defense ability on offensive and defensive.
Remember the numbers, and execute an attack, open details window, and look through the process of attack, you will find these numbers.
As a test, it show you more details if you set no fog.
You will see that the basic ability of attack and defense are both different in offensive and defensive.

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RE: Question still not answered - 8/14/2012 9:14:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		In post #: 6 Vic replyed to 'The Red Baron'.

Are you sure this is the answer to my question?

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RE: Question still not answered - 8/15/2012 12:24:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sure, he said attack or defense.
Defense means the hit-points in battle. One is for attack, and the other is for counter attack.
Soft attack means damage on non-tank in active attacking.
Soft defense means counter damage on non-tank in being attacked.
Hard attack means damage on tank in active attacking.
Hard defense means counter damage on tank in being attacked.

It can be verified by closing fog of war.




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Hurrah, I graduated - 8/15/2012 12:41:31 AM   
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Got it now.
Sorry for giving you so a hard day.
I hope your lesson will be helpful to many more other desperate.

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