WitE forum is doing just fine - thanks for asking!
The WitE, as per Joel, sold similarly to WitP and is expected to have same grand total in long run...
Also please note that most players play WitE vs. AI (same case as with UV / WitP and WitP-AE)!
BTW, the number of post in WitP-AE forum is rather constant but, apart from AAR section, almost all post are "OT" (i.e. general military / historic stuff) and made by the very same core of old posters...
I understand your attachment to the game, but I've been looking in there for about 18 months and traffic is nowhere near what it was as recently as Feb. Some people read, but few post. I see 3-4 new posts per day outside the AARs, and of those there are only a couple of active ones whereas last winter there were a dozen or more. (About half of them Q-Ball's. )
I also don't see a lot of newbie posts, as you say.
On Joel's numbers, I note he says sales are versus WITP, not WITP and AE. If WitE sold as many as both WITPs I'd be very surprised.
The test will be WitW. I think there will be more who wait and see how the balance works than there were for WitE, especially at the price point.
First of all I have no understanding with stand:
"US" vs. "THEM"
(and "US" meaning "WitP-AE")
Why would one even think of undermining our Grognard community with stand like this at first place?
The "elitism" of "US" leads nowhere...
Offering a temperate response to this semi-attack . . .
As the OP I opened this thread for two reasons:
1) To the extent Matrix management ever reads this forum (probably not), to inform them that I, a buyer of BOTH games, have noted that WitE seems to have worked through its avid player phase, while AE has not. Thus, why not devote some/any resources to extending this franchise rather than promise GG & Co., in advance of evidence their current line has the staying power of the PTO, multiple guaranteed titles with concurrent funding and corporate support?
2) To congratulate the AE forum for its support and offer a comparison to the other mega-game currently at the forefront of Matrix's product portfolio.
Note that I do not consider myself a part of "the grognard community." I play AE; I don't play wargames. I bought WitE for educational reasons, but found the game mechanics so dense and the combat results presentation so antiseptic as to remove all enjoyment from the experience. But, as above, I spent my $80 so I get an opinion. And my opinion includes a portion which states that Matrix should consider leveraging the sales volume and extreme goodwill in the AE franchise by extending it. I have engaged in discusisons of game industry mechanics since the early 1990s on Usenet, when that was the predominate Internet channel for such, and I have had calm, respectful discussions with Erik R. there on several occasions concerning Matrix's business and marketing practices. We have never agreed on them, but he does have his reasons and I don't have perfect data. Still, I soldier on trying to get Matrix to devote some measure of operating capital and management time to extending this one, great game franchise which I am interested in above all others.
So, is it an Us vs. Them? Defined in one way, yes. Us is those who want a WITP2. Given that it's a zero-sum proposition where resources directed at other games are not directed at "our" project why would a sole-focused gamer such as me advocate for development of something I will never buy or play? Customers vote with their wallets and secondarily with their voices. And while I don't know the size of WitE's "wallet" I can see which game has the loudest and longest-lasting voice. This thread was yet another attempt to invite Matrix to notice us. That it went in alternate directions is fine--I'm from Usenet; I don't "own" a thread I start--as is the fact that you wish it hadn't gone there at all is fine too. If someone on the WitE forum wants to start a "We're the best!" thread they can. I predict they won't though.
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