ORIGINAL: Mad Russian
Looks good, can't wait. Tactical map marking for British regiments was always difficult to get right when worked on the map table at Brigade HQ (for my sins..). Its always a shame to lose some of the flavour of the full name but some are obviously quite lengthy so a standard abbrev was used to avoid confusion, and cluttering the map. If you need any help with the authentically used map abbrev then I should be able to help on that front.
1st btln Green Howards = 1 GH. However the Green Howards were in fact a 'Light Role' btln part of 24 Airmobile brigade, not Warrior mounted. Sorry to 'rain on your parade' on that historical point :)
Royal Scots Dragoon Guards = SCOTS DG (not 1st btln, they were just 'The' I think..)
Not sure there ever was a Queens Royal Dragoons that I am aware of (but might be mistaken)? Do you mean Queens Dragoon Guards? (1 QDG) But that was Armoured Recce i.e Scimitar/Sabre not Challenger...
Below you will see the information listing I have for the British 1st Armored Division. What you are seeing on the map is the 12th Armoured Brigade. The ORBATS we use have been extensively researched.
Not saying they are perfect but been checked and cross checked for accuracy. The British Army units are the hardest in the world to get right.
We've spent a lot of time trying to both the units and the equipment correct for 1989 specifically. Just having the units doesn't help that much we needed the equipment they were armed with as well to make scenarios as accurate as possible. To create the scenario editor data base for basic units as well.
Any additional information is always welcome.
2. 1st British Corps GHQ - Bielefeld, FRG: assigned to BAOR
a. 1st Armoured Division - Verden, FRG:
1) 7th Armoured Brigade - Soltau, FRG: 4 Sultan, 4 Spartan, and 4 Ferret
a) 2nd Royal Tank Regiment: 56 Challenger, 4 Sultan, 8 Scorpion, 10 FV432, 8 Ferret
b) 2nd Bn, The Coldstream Guards: 45 Warrior, 4 Sultan, 8 Scimitar, 26 FV432, 7 Ferret, 8 81mm Mtr, 24 Milan
c) 1st Bn, The Staffordshire Regt: 45 Warrior, 4 Sultan, 8 Scimitar, 26 FV432, 7 Ferret, 8 81mm Mtr, 24 Milan
2) 12th Armoured Brigade - Osnabruck, FRG: 4 Sultan, 4 Spartan, and 4 Ferret
a) The Royal Scots Dragoon Guards: 56 Challenger, 4 Sultan, 8 Scorpion, 10 FV432, 8 Ferret
b) 1st The Queens Royal Dragoon Guards: 70 Chieftain, 4 Sultan, 8 Scorpion, 10 FV432, 8 Ferret
c) 1st Bn, The Green Howards: 45 Warrior, 4 Sultan, 8 Scimitar, 26 FV432, 7 Ferret, 8 81mm Mtr, 24 Milan
3) 22nd Armoured Brigade - Hohne, FRG: 4 Sultan, 4 Spartan, and 4 Ferret
a) The 4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards: 56 Challenger, 4 Sultan, 8 Scorpion, 10 FV432, 8 Ferret
b) 2nd Bn, The Grenadier Guards: 45 Warrior, 4 Sultan, 8 Scimitar, 26 FV432, 7 Ferret, 8 81mm Mtr, 24 Milan
c) 1st Bn, The Royal Anglican Regiment: 71 FV432, 4 Sultan, 7 Ferret, 8 Scimitar, 8 81mm Mortar, 24 Milan
4) 1st Division Artillery Group - Hohne, FRG:
a) 4th Royal Artillery Regiment: 24 M109A2
b) 45th Royal Artillery Regiment: 24 M109A2
c) 1st Royal Artillery Regiment: 24 Abbot 105mm SP howitzers
5) 21st Royal Engineer Regiment - Nienburg, FRG: 30 FV432, 12 Spartan, 12 AVRE, and 12 AVLB
6) 1st Air Defense Regiment - Hildesheim, FRG: 6 Rapier, 36 Javelin
7) 1st Royal Army Aviation Regiment - Hildesheim, FRG: 24 Lynx (TOW), 24 Gazelle
Few initial thoughts, but will need to double check the rest:
100% sure it was 2 R ANGLIAN (not 1 R ANGLICAN. Thats my first regiment. 2 btln was in Germany, 1st Btln UK based but in Northern Ireland in 89 i think).
I have checked and also 100% sure that 1 Green Howards were 24 Airmobile Bde in the UK in 1989. Checked from the biography of the commanding officer.
It was 100% 1 GREN GDS (not 2 GREN GDS). They deployed to Gulf war I.
1 Queens Dragoon Guards were an armoured recce regiment with Scorpion/Scimitar not Chieftain.
On the other units it could be a timing issue between sources. Likesay btln units rotated every few years, bdes stayed in location. I will do some more searching to see whether my listing in my post above are valid. PM me an email address and I'll send you the source file i used. I am really confident that this orbat is correct for 89:
1 UK ARM DIV
7 UK ARM BDE:
SCOTS DG (Challenger) = Royal Scots Dragoon Guards
2 RTR (Challenger) = 2 Royal Tank Regiment
1 STAFFORDS (Warrior) = 1 Staffordshires
12 UK ARM BDE:
4 RTR (Chieftain) = 4 Royal Tank Regiment
1 R IRISH (Fv432) = 1 Royal Irish Rangers
1 RGJ (Fv432) = 1 Royal Green Jackets
22 ARM BDE:
QOH (Chieftain) = Queens own Hussars
1 RTR (Chieftain) = 1 Royal Tank Regiment
1 SG (Fv432) = 1 Scots Guards
2 R ANGLIAN (Fv432) = 2 Royal Anglian
4 Regt RA (M109A2) = 4 Field Regiment Royal Artillery (29/88/97 Field Batteries)
40 Regt RA (M109A2) = (38/129/137 Field Batteries + 10 Battery Javelin Air def)
1 RHA (Abbott) = 1 Royal Horse Artillery (A/B/E Batteries)
21 Regt RE = 21 Field Regiment Royal Engineers
1 AAC (Gazelle/Lynx) = 1 Regiment Army Air Corps (651/652/661 Sqdn)
1 QDG (scimatar/scorpion = 1 Queens Dragoon Guards. Arm Recce Regt attached from Corps
Some naming conventions:
Queens Dragoon Guards (nor Queens Royal Dragoon Guards)
1 Royal Horse Artillery or 1 RHA (not 1st Royal Artillery Regiment)
1 Regt Army Air Corps (not Royal Army Aviation Regiment)
Also should read 40 Regiment RA or 40 Regt RA (not 40th Royal Artillery Regiment)
Same for engineers i.e. 21 Regiment RE or 21 Regt RE
Small points I know but they all stand out like a sore thumb to veterans. Makes more sense when you break down then into batteries & squadrons. i.e. 11 Field Squadron RE
For the most part looks ok, however I really don't think Ferrets were used by any BAOR units as late as 89 in any meaningful combat fuction. They are listed in orbats start of 80s as 5-8 per arm regt. 1 per regt & squadron HQ. More as liason vehicle running around rather than an AFV. It was off the combat ORBAT really.
I will look into the units more later
< Message edited by Gunnulf -- 4/13/2013 11:53:13 PM >