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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/11/2012 12:03:11 AM   
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TBH a successful attack on Moscow is not happening this year. While Ive suffered no major defeats the Northern Flank really delayed me. The last few turns I sent 3 pz Group North to unhinge VL. This really slowed me a lot. Last turn I trapped 3 infantry divisions only to see him blast a hole in the encirclement. I am going to make progress to buy me time and space for Winter. Hopefully Tula, Kalinin, and Kaluga fall before Blizzard.






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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/11/2012 12:06:45 AM   
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Here things are a bit sexier. T14 and 15 saw me do my 3rd HQBU and anchor the entire 1pz Group on Refit. I had a wide open flank and A-Game has ignored the southern front. I figured I could seize the industrial area, but instead i turned straight South and bagged 25ish military formations. While this delayed my drive to Rostov it will net me some more communist laborers.




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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/11/2012 12:08:27 AM   
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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/11/2012 12:26:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		If u avoid losing tons of moral in the Blizzard/to many unit u will be in greate shape for the 42 offensive. He wont be if u keep up the grinding. Dont even let the mud stop u. If he has 1-2 weak units in a hex with out forts or more than 1. U can succesfully attack if u have firepower enough. As sad as it is u cant take more than 3 mil losses pre blizzard as russian and have the army u need come july 1942. Grinding is in ur favor now.

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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/12/2012 2:07:41 AM   
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While Moscow isn't going to fall in 41 I am making great progress. A-game has fought a good defense. He's fought forward enough to stall me, but far enough away to avoid catastrophic losses. I've noticed some of my weaknesses and will learn from them come next campaign season. Just submitted T16 back to him so Ill post T17 when it comes back.

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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/13/2012 12:41:06 AM   
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As you can see the Neva River is crossed. It took about a dozen pre-Deliberate/Hasty attacks to draw out his reserves and exhaust his defense. Then the 75CV stack of 6 blasted him off the line. He is now isolated in Leningrad with 11 eleven rifle divisions, an Army HQ, and the usual FZ's.

Ill wait till after Mud to try attacking the Urban provinces so for now were going to rest the units and wait for the freeze. The line on the volkhov is lvl 3 and should survive the winter. I've never played into Blizzard before.




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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/13/2012 12:44:16 AM   
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So last turn I used 3pz Group to unhinge him and try to encircle some units but he turned the tables on me. He cut off 2/3 of 3pzG and so they exhausted their mp's just getting back to safety. While I wanted to withdraw the panzers for refit during mud it looks like they will be manning front line duty. Good play to A-game.

Otherwise we took Tula, Kaluga, Kalinin and have pushed him to within 4 hexes of Moscow.




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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/13/2012 12:52:47 AM   
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Earlier we bagged about 25 units and have now destroyed about 16 of them. We also isolated Stalino and took it this turn. Im in a good position to take Rostov and Vorishlagrod. I withdrew the tank divisions to rest up during the mud.

The Crimea isn't going to happen this year so we'll likely fort off the straights and economize on military might. The Southern Front has been my saving grace in late 41. While AGN took Leningrad the Center front has been lackluster. I followed the Art of War maxim of attacking where he is weakest to avoid pitched battles. I knew A-game was expecting a heavy push to Moscow (doesn't everyone?)And although I have been attacking towards Moscow it hasn't been my Schwerpunkt by any means. I kept 1pz Grp heavy with Das Reich, 60th motor, and 1st Cav to keep them strong. In hindsight I wish I had kept the whole 2nd Pz Grp in the South but I couldn't have kept A-game thinking I was gunning for Moscow so it worked out well. We'll save Moscow for 42 or maybe Ill turn 1pz Group North...not sure yet. Depends on him probably. Either way I should be able to raid Rostov and V-grad before Blizzard.




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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/17/2012 5:38:01 PM   
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Still starving Leningrad until Mud ends and still digging on the Volkhov. The Soviets have thinned their lines all over the North. Probably regrouping them for blizzard. PzGrp 4 is only a shell with a single pz Corps remaining..now withdrawn for refit. They will probably take over a infantry Corps or two to ease the command burden on AGC. Manstein is returned to the command pool awaiting further assignment.




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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/17/2012 5:43:47 PM   
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3PzGrp is falling back to pull armor off the line. We hold Kalinin bug the Russians are hugging it tightly. Basically Im waiting on the flanks to be cleared so 3pz can refit for the rest of mud. The 9th and 4th armies continue to grind..producing outstanding results. Im bunching 3-5 divisions per attack and causing 20-30k losses per turn in straight battle. Not bad for mud!

Further South the 2Pz Group pulls off the line to rest. Tula turns into a fortress city and Im contemplating my next move. All reinforcements head to the Center front and I've transferred a few divisions there. Going to do my best to encircle Moscow.




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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/17/2012 5:46:18 PM   
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Not much happening here. Big gaps where both of us have left empty. Im starving Kursk right now and will take it soon. Otherwise 2nd Army is just laying low. The bulk of 6. Army has turned South but 1 Corps remains to keep the line honest.




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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/17/2012 5:47:55 PM   
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Status: online 		You were asking why any Soviet player would waste an army holding back the Finns at the chokepoint. Look at your map now and you'll see why. Imagine those same Finns at the Svir river.

Soviet players now count on Leningrad falling. It's practically an autoloss if the German really wants it.

But with the Finns contained up north, the loss can be managed and the line immediately stabilizes at the Volkhov river.

Not everybody agrees with this, a distressing number of Soviet players still buy into the false economy of a runaway to the Svir (which turns into a runaway to Yaroslavl) but more and more players are switching over to a forward defense up north.

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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/17/2012 5:52:55 PM   
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The Crimea is sealed off but he has some decent numbers buried inside. Not sure If I trust the Romanians to hold that gap or not. Im kind of in a dilemma as 11. Army is spread out everywhere. Were pushing to Rostov and holding the trapped Southern Front divisions. I've eliminated 2 of them so far but the rest can wait until November.

Right now I count 4 pockets awaiting destruction:
Leningrad: 11 Rifle divisions, 5 FR's, HQ staff
Kursk: 1 Rifle Division
South: 2 pockets containing 11 military formations with 10 being divisional level. The last may be a HQ..couldn't recon it.

He's at 2.93m losses so far and so when these units are destroyed it should knock off at least 200k more.




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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/17/2012 10:07:06 PM   
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The Romanians won't hold anything against a determined Soviet assault. I'd be wary of leaving them without pre-planning some reserves to send in case they break down.

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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/18/2012 12:35:46 AM   
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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/19/2012 9:51:09 AM   
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Right now I count 4 pockets awaiting destruction:
Leningrad: 11 Rifle divisions, 5 FR's, HQ staff



sorry to disappoint but Lgrad is not isolated or starving as A game still controls the port and it is being supplied across the lake


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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/19/2012 9:52:10 AM   
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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/19/2012 4:18:32 PM   
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Right now I count 4 pockets awaiting destruction:
Leningrad: 11 Rifle divisions, 5 FR's, HQ staff



sorry to disappoint but Lgrad is not isolated or starving as A game still controls the port and it is being supplied across the lake



Isolated. Map might be a bit too abstracted to see correctly. The only supply hes getting is air.

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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/19/2012 4:21:58 PM   
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Leningrad is ours. 5 Divisions destroyed. Sweet!

X Corps is castling to 16. Army right flank and I. Corps will move to winter vacation spots. LVI Panzer Corps has moved to Koenigsburg to act as a deep strategic reserve. The Grind in the Valdai hills has won the AGN/AGC some good defensive terrain and some breathing space. Winter positions going up everywhere.




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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/19/2012 4:28:16 PM   
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Let's face it. Moscow is perfectly safe this Winter. All Im doing is grinding away his blizzard strength. Ive set up winter positions but the line isn't manned so its going to get dicey in December. I didnt have time or initiative to position 2nd PzGp anywhere truly effective so I just had them attack to destroy units and win space. I really didn't play AGC correctly in the late summer.




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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/19/2012 4:32:40 PM   
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The last of the pockets are gone. Rostov wont hold past next turn. AGS has done well. To answer my critics about garrisoning...most of my security brigades were used to box in that 25 division encirclement while AGS kept pushing East. He still managed to cut my line with one of his damned cav units before he died. I believe waiting until November to destroy these units was a mistake in hindsight. Having my Romanian units tied up really hurt my overall advance. In Leningrad it made sense but not here. Either way...

Im moving more 11. Army units to backdrop the Crimean "Gates" I'd hate to have a strong Soviet breakthrough in the Deep Flank.




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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/19/2012 4:34:50 PM   
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5 divisions still bagged in Leningrad with HQ and FZ's




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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/19/2012 5:14:55 PM   
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You have your neck sticking out there at Rostov come blizzard, and I believe A-Game may have learned a thing or two about the utility of cavalry corps in our game (he's Axis).

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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/19/2012 5:18:58 PM   
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Are you going to secure the cities that give you Army Groups A and B?
You have your neck sticking out there at Rostov come blizzard, and I believe A-Game may have learned a thing or two about the utility of cavalry corps in our game (he's Axis).


I'd love to but I dont think I can get all 3 and get back to safety before blizzard. Not with the major river in my way and all. Do you have to hold the cities for a turn or is merely raiding them good enough to release the AG? I just used one turn of snow and made good progress but If I have to hold those 3 for a turn it ain't happening.

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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/19/2012 10:49:42 PM   
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Dnepr not an obstacle to your retreat ( or his advance ) come blizzard.

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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/21/2012 1:24:50 AM   
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You plan on with drawing a hex or 2 a turn or stand and fighting?

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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/21/2012 2:23:06 AM   
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Good game looks to be a draw so far.

You plan on with drawing a hex or 2 a turn or stand and fighting?


Not sure. I just read several AAR's during blizzard and its quite scary. Not sure the best approach tbh.

One thing I couldn't find in the manual. Is December particularly bad for the axis during first Winter or are all blizzard months the same? Either way I really don't want to lose ground.

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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 8/21/2012 2:36:26 AM   
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Status: online 		Each month the blizzard becomes progressively weaker. By February you can actually stand your ground. In December and January it's best to give ground, though, and limit the number of units that can launch attacks on you. Basically if you give up 2 hexes a turn most rifle units won't have the movement to catch you and attack. Only limited numbers of mech, cavalry and mountain units will be able to keep up.

All that being said, the blizzard isn't near as scary as it used to be. Look at Kamil's game. He wrecked the Germans, killed literally dozens of divisions, and the Wehrmacht bounced back quite smartly in summer of 42 and he's rather in trouble. The Germans did preserve their mech, the landsers took it in the chin.

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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 9/1/2012 11:35:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just a heads up! A-game and I decided to do a restart so this AAR is going to conclude. The Reason?

Well we were both doing well. I think we were at a operational tie depending on how blizzard went. The main reason was that we both learned a lot and we just wanted a redo. Another big reason is that we decided upon Random weather instead of non-random. I realize that by doing this I am probably going to regret it, but the idea of knowing every single weather turn does seem kind of silly.

Right now were in T7. Once A-game returns next turn I'm going to start another AAR. After all most of the first few opening turns are the same sequence anyways. Were off to a good start so look for my next AAR posting soon!

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RE: Disgruntled Veteran (Axis) vs A-Game (Commies) No... - 9/2/2012 1:10:05 AM   
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good news: the game is going on.

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