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RE: Pelton vs Hugh 1.06.13+ Summer 1943 - 1/30/2013 2:43:04 PM   
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Turn 105 ——————- Armament points: 212,000———

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 275
Russian Units Destroyed during 1942
Corp: 2
Divisions: 81
Brigades: 30
SU: 2
AP total: 1007
Russian OOB: 9,085,000
A net gain of: +243,000 men
Russian Gun OOB: 137,000
Net of: +4000
GHC OOB: 3,731,000
GHC net OOB change: -66,000
GHC Gun OOB: 40,600
Net of: -000

Rifle Squads: 41500
Net change:+ 200

Air War:

GHC total: 6017
SHC total: 22507

Ratio: 10 : 1

GHC loses: 175
SHC loses: 1810

AGN: SHC has had a slow steady advance in the north to-date, SHC started pushing around turn 60. In about 50 turns SHC has managed to push 20 hexes. I would say the very best units are in AGN's area. GHC was able to hang on to river line before ice went out. Hopefully lines can be held in this general area for another 10+ turns. Many stacks of 30-40 Attack CV north and south of Lake Ilmen.

My biggest consern is the size of SHC and its still growing every five turns. So far rifle squads has remained above 40k, but allot of GHC units will be sent to the west over the next few turns.

I have allot of armaments, but about 300k men in the manpower pool. I am guessing many are support squads that will slowly get converted to rifle squads over the coming year.

Guns is also static another good sign and I started pulling out the 20+ AA regiments. Probably I should do this during the first blizzard then assign them come spring 1942 as this really adds allot of guns to front, which is a huge help.




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RE: Pelton vs Hugh 1.06.13+ Summer 1943 - 1/30/2013 2:45:49 PM   
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AGC: Nothing really going on, a few hexs lost but nothing SHC can build on. I have allot of units in this area that can be moved north as needed. Just trading space really in this area. This should keep allies in the fight for a very long time as main SHC push is in the north and not center/south.




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RE: Pelton vs Hugh 1.06.13+ Summer 1943 - 1/30/2013 2:48:09 PM   
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AGS: The south was getting pushed, but the last 10 turns has not been moved as the river lines are holding so far.

Again GHC has allot of space to trade for time as needed, but so far it has not been needed.




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RE: Pelton vs Hugh 1.06.13+ Summer 1943 - 2/8/2013 1:48:40 AM   
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Turn 110 ——————- Armament points: 264,000——— 102 Turns to go and shortest distance to Berlin is 930 miles.

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 275
Russian Units Destroyed during 1942
Corp: 2
Divisions: 81
Brigades: 30
SU: 2
AP total: 1007
Russian OOB: 9,210,000
A net gain of: +125,000 men
Russian Gun OOB: 140,000
Net of: +3000
GHC OOB: 3,525,000
GHC net OOB change: -206,000
GHC Gun OOB: 39,100
Net of: -1500
Manpower in pool: 350,000

Rifle Squads: 37,000
Net change:-4000


Air War:

GHC total: 6356
SHC total: 24881

Ratio: 10 : 1

GHC loses: 339
SHC loses: 2374

Fighting has been fairly heavy yet the SHC OOB keeps growing by about 25,000 men per turn. GHC OOB has dropped of because i have been tweaking things tring to milk more of of the system, but it did not work. As of turn 115 GHC OOB is at 3.77 million men. On turn 85 GHC OOB was at 3.6 million, which is an increase of 177,000 over 30 turns. SHC is huge and growing, but so far GHC has been at least static and giving ground slowly. The far north above Lake Ilmen has given up 210 miles, South about 50 miles and the center and south 0 to 50. The shortist distance to Berlin has changed only 20 miles in 30 turns.

AGN:SHC pushes over the Volkhov river. Many counter attacks are made, but SHC moves west another 20 miles.

South of Lake Ilmen the other northern offensive pushs a few hexes closer.

The SHC West of Moscow is still kept in check for another month.





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RE: Pelton vs Hugh 1.06.13+ Summer 1943 - 2/8/2013 1:52:09 AM   
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AGC: 17th and 6th army start with drawing to shorten the lines.




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RE: Pelton vs Hugh 1.06.13+ Summer 1943 - 2/8/2013 1:53:35 AM   
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AGS: 1st PG and 18th Army hold the line.




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RE: Pelton vs Hugh 1.06.13+ Summer 1943 - 2/8/2013 3:05:12 PM   
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Pelton, earlier you said that you wished you had put your AA SU's in safe havens during the first blizzard. Since it's best for the Germans to retreat during blizzard (ie. run like hell !!) why not move all SU's to safety ??? You're not going to build fortified zones. The AP's are available. ???

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RE: Pelton vs Hugh 1.06.13+ Summer 1943 - 2/9/2013 12:38:01 AM   
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Pelton, earlier you said that you wished you had put your AA SU's in safe havens during the first blizzard. Since it's best for the Germans to retreat during blizzard (ie. run like hell !!) why not move all SU's to safety ??? You're not going to build fortified zones. The AP's are available. ???


It would be best to move them all back, then forward during snow. Huge pain in the ass, but worth it in long run.


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RE: Pelton vs Hugh 1.06.13+ August 1943 - 2/25/2013 2:51:44 AM   
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Turn 115 ——————- Armament points: 107,000——— 97 Turns to go and 870 miles to Berlin

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 275
Russian Units Destroyed during 1942
Corp: 2
Divisions: 81
Brigades: 30
SU: 2
AP total: 1007
Russian OOB: 9,326,000
A net gain of: +116,000 men
Russian Gun OOB: 144,000
Net of: +4000
GHC OOB: 3,773,000
GHC net OOB change: +250,000
GHC Gun OOB: 40,600
Net of: +1300
Manpower in pool: 25,000

Rifle Squads: 37,400
Net change: +400


Air War:

GHC total: 6765
SHC total: 27452

Ratio: 6 : 1

GHC loses: 409
SHC loses: 2571

AGN: The Red Horde keeps pushing west, only 20 miles from Leningrad. So far SHC has had to fight for every hex.







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RE: Pelton vs Hugh 1.06.13+ August 1943 - 2/25/2013 3:02:47 AM   
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AGC generally holding up fine so far.




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October 1943 - 2/25/2013 3:03:39 AM   
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AGS keeps with drawing from the ben to shorten lines to 900 miles.




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3.5m vs 9.3m October 1943 - 3/17/2013 9:27:06 PM   
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Turn 120 ——————- Armament points: ,000——— 92 Turns to go and 870 miles to Berlin

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 275
Russian Units Destroyed during 1942
Corp: 2
Divisions: 81
Brigades: 30
SU: 2
AP total: 1007
Russian OOB: 9,436,000
A net gain of: +110,000 men
Russian Gun OOB: 142,000
Net of: -2000
GHC OOB: 3,501,000
GHC net OOB change: -272,000
GHC Gun OOB: 41,700
Net of: +1100

Manpower in pool: 217,000

Rifle Squads: 35,000
Net change: -1400

Air War:

GHC total: 7069
SHC total: 27452

Ratio: 9 : 1

GHC loses: 304
SHC loses: 2830

Over all everything is holding together even vs The Horde from Mordor. GHC has been able to build forts faster then SHC can over run them. The LW is doing ok, because of amr pt issues I am going totally over to defensive to save. The LW should easly be able to keep losses at about 25 to 1. We will see how next 5 turns go.

The manpower pool has grown over the last few turns, many because GHC has been forsed to disband and rebuild a bunch of FZ's. I also thinned out everything possible and am rushing every single AA regiment to front asap. I have to build up AP to + 400 so I can get rdy to build the final defence lines.

GHC has managed to keep the closest distance to Berlin at 870 miles, almost to the point where GHC could retreat a hex a turn and still hold Berlin. I still have areas of the front where I can trade space for time, soon I will have the hole front where I can trade space for time.

AGN: Leningrad has been cut off and The Horde pushes west another 30 miles. Things are still holding together.





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RE: 3.5m vs 9.3m October 1943 - 3/17/2013 9:35:18 PM   
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AGC: Tula north remains as solid as a rock, but Orel to Mius GHC has been slowly pulling back to a minor river line.

Orel to Kursk area will require help after mud.

The key for me will be not to let any German units get cut off.

Should be a break in the action over the next 5 turns.




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RE: 3.5m vs 9.3m October 1943 - 3/17/2013 9:36:45 PM   
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AGS is in good shape, but forses will be shifted north some to help out in Kursk area.




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3.5m vs 9.5m November 1943 - 3/17/2013 9:54:12 PM   
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Turn 125 ——————- Armament points: 7 ,000——— 87 Turns to go and 870 miles to Berlin

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 275
Russian Units Destroyed during 1942
Corp: 2
Divisions: 81
Brigades: 30
SU: 2
AP total: 1007
Russian OOB: 9,578,000
A net gain of: +142,000 men
Russian Gun OOB: 142,000
Net of: 000
GHC OOB: 3,503,000
GHC net OOB change: +2,000
GHC Gun OOB: 43,000
Net of: +1300

Manpower in pool: 217,000

Rifle Squads: 35,000
Net change: 0

Air War:

GHC total: 7209
SHC total: 31749

Ratio: 31 : 1

GHC loses: 140
SHC loses: 4297

LW is ruling the skies, again huge thanks to Katza in this area.

Allot of mud so no movement in lines, gun #'s move up, manpower holding, arm pts growing and distance to Berlin is 87 hexes with 87 turns left. With 3 seasons of mud thrown in I say about 70 clear/blizzard/snow turns left at a max and 63 min.

I really have to hold the line as long as possible, but not throw away any divisions. I have some land to trade for time, but I have to make sure on the timing.

Big thks to JB, Katza and Hitmann for their good advice in different areas as to good defensive tactics and tricks of the trade.

Also I am hoping to use what I learnt from terje439 in his loss to Brad. Some good things there I have yet to use as things close in on Berlin. Its in the toolbox, but yet to get out the wrench.

Average infantry morale is still 70, mech morale 82.





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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m November 1943 - 3/18/2013 7:28:14 PM   
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quote:

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LW is ruling the skies, again huge thanks to Katza in this area.


Big thks to JB, Katza and Hitman for their good advice in different areas as to good defensive tactics and tricks of the trade.




In my game against Schascha I doubt being able to defeat him during summer 42. So I would be very interested to learn from your defensive experience.

How do you manage to control air war?

What are the key decisions to hold a line in front of such huge army?

Thanks

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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m November 1943 - 3/23/2013 11:32:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

LW is ruling the skies, again huge thanks to Katza in this area.


Big thks to JB, Katza and Hitman for their good advice in different areas as to good defensive tactics and tricks of the trade.




In my game against Schascha I doubt being able to defeat him during summer 42. So I would be very interested to learn from your defensive experience.

How do you manage to control air war?

What are the key decisions to hold a line in front of such huge army?




The biggest thing is morale of GHC its basicly everything. Hugh basicly did not fight forward enough in 41, followed it up with a poor blizzard offensive. This let me rest 15 infantry and 15 mot/panzer units in citys. Then in 42 I built up any units that had -70 morale. I made some pockets where I could get them, but mostly farmed morale.

I took the time while farming morale and built 2 defensive lines, disbanded 40 Corp HQ's+disbanded all but 10 air bases and 3 LW HQ's. I started releasing city AA units to the front, basicly where ever SHC was tring to push.

set-up all army's with 9 infantry divisions and 3 mot/panzer. I also had 3 Corp left over with 3 or 4 infantry divisions each.

Most armys only have an army HQ, this way you get 10 to 20 su committing to each battle.

The lines are basicly infantry in front with panzers broken down in 2nd row and a 3rd row of digging LW ect units. Almost impossible for SHC to get a brakethrough and you can dig faster then they can advance even in winter.

LW is basicly leaving it at 160 on intercept. I leave ground support on so fighters are flying allot. Also change over all planes to FW 190's ( fighter bombers ) asap.

My lines will break at some point, but it is possible IF over all morale is +80 to hold back 9 million russians for over a yr and into 1944 more then 870 miles east of Berlin.

Katza plane thread is up in war room. I have talked in many plases about GHC 43-45 defensive tactics.

Thanks


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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m November 1943 - 4/8/2013 2:17:53 AM   
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AGC turn 125




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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m November 1943 - 4/8/2013 2:18:33 AM   
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AGS Turn 125




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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m November 1943 - 4/8/2013 2:56:15 AM   
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Turn 130 ——————- Armament points: 2 ,000——— 82 Turns to go and 870 miles to Berlin

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 275
Russian Units Destroyed during 1942
Corp: 2
Divisions: 81
Brigades: 30
SU: 2
AP total: 1007
Russian OOB: 9,701,000
A net gain of: +123,000 men
Russian Gun OOB: 147,000
Net of: +5,000
GHC OOB: 3,548,000
GHC net OOB change: +45,000
GHC Gun OOB: 43,000
Net of: +00
Manpower in pool: 200,000

Rifle Squads: 35,000
Net change:

Air War:

GHC total: 7462
SHC total: 33475

Ratio: 7 : 1

GHC loses: 253
SHC loses: 1726

Mud has cleared and the fighting is very hvy with the dike holding back the Horde from Mordor, but I am running out of fingers and now using toes to plug holes.

As can be seen the OOB is going up, but rifle squads is static? I beleive its because of more SU's arriving every turn. The air war is more even, not sure if SHC got tired of gettting shot down or is running out of planes heheh. GHC loses are mostly from recon. I am keeping a close eye on SHC cav units as winter is almost here.

I am hoping that by spring I am holding the river line. I have not lost any units yet, but I am throwing away 1 or 2 divisions. SHC is making a massive assault near Belgorod. The offensive started on turn 125. Turn 128 SHC was able to break though, but GHC was able to call in reserves and drive back the Red forses to only a 20 mile advance. But this turn SHC forse were able to advance again another 30 miles. The key for GHC is delaying, thats why I am willing to lose a few divisions. So far I have been able to keep the hole only 20 miles wide over 5 turns. I should be able to drive back SHC 20 miles easly but thats it. I have very strong defences to the west side of the breakthough so he is forsed to slide south east.

Check out the one battle listed, look at the # of 88mm's and 20mm's

There is a pocket forming so I will have to start pulling back. The up side is over all I will have only lost 30 miles from east to west over 8 or so turns and still have a line. The units the most to east will fall back over time. I called in more diggers and 3 reserve panzer divisions to help reform lines.

The other good thing is I have allot of the best SHC mech units tied down here so I can call in other front line units to help.

At some point the wheel will fall off, but I am hoping to hang on as long as possible east of rivers.





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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m November 1943 - 4/8/2013 3:03:18 AM   
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On a side note GHC had no Corps in volved in the defence = 0% combat mods and SHC as can be seen has a long list.

Disbanding as many Corps as possible has a huge up side in every single battle, more SU commitment you win more rolls and no negitive combat %'s

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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m December 1943 - 4/21/2013 3:38:27 PM   
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Turn 131 ——————- Armament points: ,000——— 81 Turns to go and 860 miles to Berlin


GHC OOB: 3,475,000
GHC net OOB change: - 75,000
GHC Gun OOB: 42,300
Net of: -700
Manpower in pool: 264,000

Doing some smaller turn by turn up-dates now with a 5 turn delay.

Armaments have bottomed out and I expect them to stay below 0 until mud.

Manpower pool has jumped up which is the same trend as 6 other games currently in the same time frame.

North: Finland will be lucky to make it 5 more turns so I will not bother pictures in that area. The Baltic to Tula area is still holding the line as this area is closest to Berlin.








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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m December 1943 - 4/21/2013 3:58:16 PM   
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South: A large SHC offensive has cut off 4 divisions. For sure I could have releived pocket, but with very strong SHC armor formations to the north and south I have desided to let them die. With the NM bug finally getting fixed losing a few divisions from time to time will not be a crushing blow as it was in the past.

With this area of the front 980 + miles from Berlin and only 81 total turns with atleast 20 being mud it has been desided to start a 10 to 20 mile withdrawal per turn until mud season begins. With blizzard condisions slowing down SHC this should be more then enough to slow tempo. I alrdy have 2 lines of defences set-up for the coming summer.

I am playing for a draw so the longer I can keep OOB near 3.5 million the better. The frontage by the time the lines get to Warsaw goes from 900 miles long to 450 miles with 40% being mountians. So if I can keep OOB high I should have a least a good 3 deep line with a blanket of forts from Warsaw to Berlin.

Between August 44 and March 45 I get a extra 68 divisions so I simply need to delay SHC.

I am counter attacking whenever I have a chance to route Cav/Mech or tanks units as this causes high truck loses. Some turns I manage to route 10 some 3 or 4 Corp.

As I have 2 defensive lines built alrdy I am going to save up some AP, I am not 100% sure where I will start holding the line for good so I like when I have a feel for it beable to drop down a line 2 deep when I know I will be grinding it out.

I am using both minor allies as much as possible to take some of the load of German manpower. All armies have atleast 1 AA Regiment and the best leaders possible so the rest of AP's will be mostly spent on FZ's from Warsaw to Berlin.

I have still very powerfull armor and infantry formations, strong enough to blunt any thrust. I will hold the lines just to the west of the armored finger until the other GHC forses to south are in a striaght withdrawing line.




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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m December 1943 - 4/21/2013 7:57:37 PM   
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How many men are tied up in fortifications?

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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m December 1943 - 4/21/2013 8:52:16 PM   
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How many men are tied up in fortifications?


I only have 118 FZ's so not many. No reason right now for me to build any.

I have allot of units broken down into regiments and I am withdrawing so not pt in building any and I can buildem very fast.

I have several HQ's I am setting up so as to have digging Corp, alrdy have 3 set up.

I will very quickly be able to carpet Warsaw to Berlin. Only thing that could hurt me is this stupid manpower issue thats killing all the late war games. I have 360,000 in pool as of turn 135. Thats an increase of 100,000 and I am retreating and have extra armament points.

This issue is a complete JOKE! Magicly for some reason with more armament points and less fighting my manpower pool is going up by 20,000 per turn, WTH?


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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m December 1943 - 4/23/2013 12:04:35 AM   
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I only have 118 FZ's so not many.


I don't know how that relates to an OOB of 3.4 million men.
In the commanders report you can see how many of your men are in the FZs, and in HQs, etc.

This inquiry is just informational, and not specifically related to the issue you're having with the flow of manpower. But I presume you limit their TOE and turn off refit. I don't know what the attrition rates are like for REMFs.

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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m Jan 1944 - 4/23/2013 12:42:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Seminole

quote:

I only have 118 FZ's so not many.


I don't know how that relates to an OOB of 3.4 million men.
In the commanders report you can see how many of your men are in the FZs, and in HQs, etc.

This inquiry is just informational, and not specifically related to the issue you're having with the flow of manpower. But I presume you limit their TOE and turn off refit. I don't know what the attrition rates are like for REMFs.


I set them on 71 during blizzard, because if u set them at 50 the fort lvls decay. Might be another very slow fort decay rate back in town , but I have bigger fish to fry.

< Message edited by Pelton -- 5/14/2013 12:36:36 PM >


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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m December 1943 - 4/23/2013 2:16:51 AM   
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Concerning the late war manpower issue I agree completely Pelton. I have two late war games as axis and in both I have over 300,000 men in the pool (over 400,000 in my game against you). I posted about this in the tech forum a few weeks ago and got nowhere. Very frustrating! The Wehrmacht is getting beaten to a pulp in late '43 and onwards and my manpower in the pool just keeps climbing.....

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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m Jan 1944 - 5/14/2013 1:19:00 PM   
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Turn 137 ——————- 74 Turns to go and 860 miles to Berlin
Armament points: 5,000
Manpower Pool: 357,000
Infantry morale on average is 70

With only 74 turns left in game and at least 16 being mud, leaving only 58 clear/snow/blizzard turns Hugh and I have desided to call our game a draw and start a new game at some point around September using the SD campaign.

I do not believe I could hold enough citys to get a draw, but at same time should be able to easily hold Berlin.

The German army has been with drawing 1 hex per turn along most of the front. It is still more then strong enough to hold the line at the closest path to Berlin and quickly blunt any possible breakthroughs.

Because of the coming mud season, THE reopening of refit paths in last patch, low combat tempo and good defensive lines to west of front the manpower pool should drop under 100,000 by June 44. Plus with the + 58 divisions from August to February 44 I do not see GHC OOB dropping below 3 million.

My strategy going forward would be to keep with drawing 1 hex per turn until Mud season. Which would put lines just east of rivers at which time I would try and hold the river line for 4 to 6 turns leaving about 52 turns left. Then I would start with drawing 1 hex per turn until some wheres around Warsaw at which time the lines will have shortened from 900 miles to 600 miles, by this time the GHC receives plus 58 new divisions between August and February 45. While the withdrawal from current lines to Warsaw was on going I would be building 8 FZ's per turn so that by the time lines reached that area there would be thick line of forts, GHC OOB would still be strong.

AGN: North is with drawing 1 hex per turn, with strong enough reserves to hit back where needed. Hugh is hitting as often as he can where he can.









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RE: 3.5m vs 9.5m Jan 1944 - 5/14/2013 1:20:44 PM   
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AGC: Holding where needed and with drawing 1 hex per turn where needed.




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