He lost allot of arm, but hung on to Moscow.
Draw so far.
I'd disagree with that. Clear german victory so far. Sure alot will depend on how Beekeeper handles the blizzard periode. 80 arm are alot thats around 22% of the total arms production. This will hinder the '42 army's come back and their ability over time to build art divs and so on. Wont hinder the inf build up but all supportive types will most likely hurt. So u might have the CV to attack, but ability to cause casulties and disrupt will be less.
40% of T-34 production lost, this wont necesarrily hurt that much long time as u have quite a surplus, but this does means the surplus is cutdown dramaticly. Wont mean u cant build the tank armies, but u cant start to lose T-34s in abundance, if so then i forsee problems.
50% of the IL2 production gone. Well, airwar doesnt matter that much in game, but losing 50% of the primary ground strike aircraft does mean if saper isnt of the type that manages his airwar this can become a problem. Again as with T-34 u lost ur sure surplus and the build up of shaz reg's will be slower. U certainly forced to diversify into more plane types for air-ground missions, and u will have to handle the airwar much more carefully. U cant just throw ground strike aircraft away with out thot any more.
When said that airwar doesnt matter that much i get the feeling that ppl tend to unestimate the ability of GS to disrupt an enemy. Cutting down on modified CV, especially the defending one. Ppl just see no losses and say it has no effect and doesnt see the disruptive effect cuz its more hidden.
KV loss, doesnt matter any bit in as far as the KVs lost. To few in units to matter, doesnt provide any CV and u got a surplus. The problem will be long term as in its 50% of IS production lost. There are few soviet tanks that can destroy panthers and tigers and u just lost 50% of tanks that are able and around 25% of overall production of AFVs (adding top SU/ISU) with that capabilty.(just look at the T 34-85 vs panthers test done some while ago)
Considering that germans alrdy generally seem to have an abundance of AFVs late war its simply a no brainer to just evac 1 of the KV factory when ever germans come within 50 MPs of Leningrad. Cost is what? 1500ish RR cap.
Take that together with arms lost = AT/art capabilty lost, i wouldnt worry if i was Beekeeper mid to later war about having tanks way in surplus of historic numbers. At leased if so its entire his own fault.
Last, but not least manpower. '42 manpower lvls wont be pretty again hindering the come back ability of the russian army. Considering russian casulties so far. A good '42 offensive on top of this will break the russian come back ability, i would expect that of Beekeeper.
Any how i dont think the game will make it so far that the long term effects will be seen, the game will be conceded long before.
All in all a clear german advantage at this point.
< Message edited by Walloc -- 7/18/2012 2:12:08 AM >