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ORIGINAL: Vic

Hi there DBeves,

Airsupply into a pocket is distributed to all units and HQs in the pocket. So just do an air supply mission on anairfield hex and you'll get some supplies to all units.

As for the supply routes. Yes its a simplification. I found a lot of people playing DC1 had problems wrapping their head around it since you could not show 1 layer on the map that would give the supply network for all units (since the supply state of a hex is different based on the command chain of a unit).

This is more straight forward.

I am sorry I did not make everything more complicated, there have been a number of design choices in which i made things a little bit easier. Also it was really a lot of calculations and slowed the game down quite much.

If you want you can do a public beta test with the old rules. Go to the editor => stngs => rulevars => select category 'supply' => set rulevar 887 to 0 (disabling easy supply/autoreinf rules)
This should work properly for supply, but has not been fully tested with replacement troops (which are also routed through HQs now). Any feedback is welcome, but playing with this option turned on falls outside regular game support, so no guarantees. Also expect a significant wait at startup of turn of like around minute when playing with this option turned on.

also... hi sanderz,
The logistical center bonus is only cumulative if the radius' of the bonus of the different towns do not overlap.

Hope this helps.

Best,
Vic

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ORIGINAL: Vic

@DBeves,

You do not lose any supplies if you drop on an airfield. If you try to deliver to a non-airfield hex it will be considered parachuted and you'll lose half the supplies dropped.

best,
Vic

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ORIGINAL: Vic

Hi there DBeves,

Airsupply into a pocket is distributed to all units and HQs in the pocket. So just do an air supply mission on anairfield hex and you'll get some supplies to all units.

As for the supply routes. Yes its a simplification. I found a lot of people playing DC1 had problems wrapping their head around it since you could not show 1 layer on the map that would give the supply network for all units (since the supply state of a hex is different based on the command chain of a unit).

This is more straight forward.

I am sorry I did not make everything more complicated, there have been a number of design choices in which i made things a little bit easier. Also it was really a lot of calculations and slowed the game down quite much.

If you want you can do a public beta test with the old rules. Go to the editor => stngs => rulevars => select category 'supply' => set rulevar 887 to 0 (disabling easy supply/autoreinf rules)
This should work properly for supply, but has not been fully tested with replacement troops (which are also routed through HQs now). Any feedback is welcome, but playing with this option turned on falls outside regular game support, so no guarantees. Also expect a significant wait at startup of turn of like around minute when playing with this option turned on.

also... hi sanderz,
The logistical center bonus is only cumulative if the radius' of the bonus of the different towns do not overlap.

Hope this helps.

Best,
Vic

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ORIGINAL: Tejszd

Definitely think the old supply option/rules sound better. Could you not show the supply route based on the individual unit selected or the unit on top of a stack in a hex?

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based on the individual unit selected

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ORIGINAL: DBeves

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ORIGINAL: Vic

Hi there DBeves,

Airsupply into a pocket is distributed to all units and HQs in the pocket. So just do an air supply mission on anairfield hex and you'll get some supplies to all units.

As for the supply routes. Yes its a simplification. I found a lot of people playing DC1 had problems wrapping their head around it since you could not show 1 layer on the map that would give the supply network for all units (since the supply state of a hex is different based on the command chain of a unit).

This is more straight forward.

I am sorry I did not make everything more complicated, there have been a number of design choices in which i made things a little bit easier. Also it was really a lot of calculations and slowed the game down quite much.

If you want you can do a public beta test with the old rules. Go to the editor => stngs => rulevars => select category 'supply' => set rulevar 887 to 0 (disabling easy supply/autoreinf rules)
This should work properly for supply, but has not been fully tested with replacement troops (which are also routed through HQs now). Any feedback is welcome, but playing with this option turned on falls outside regular game support, so no guarantees. Also expect a significant wait at startup of turn of like around minute when playing with this option turned on.

also... hi sanderz,
The logistical center bonus is only cumulative if the radius' of the bonus of the different towns do not overlap.

Hope this helps.

Best,
Vic

I tried this vic - and one thing I immediately noticed was that 11th army HQ eneded up with 5 stukas in it inventory of troops. one of its air units had requested the replacements but they seemed to get stuck in the HQ and not passed on. A turn later they were gone - passed to an air unit. It also got 100 romanian infentry which stayed with the HQ - so guess its not working with replacements

edit ... scrub the bit about the romanian infantry - seems they were passed on but to a corps hq within 11th army ... so it seems the replacements stop at the HQ then pass on down the chain in the following turns to end up where they should. That actually sounds kind of good to me - but I guess not how you envisaged it working ...

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ORIGINAL: Vic

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ORIGINAL: DBeves

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ORIGINAL: Vic

Hi there DBeves,

Airsupply into a pocket is distributed to all units and HQs in the pocket. So just do an air supply mission on anairfield hex and you'll get some supplies to all units.

As for the supply routes. Yes its a simplification. I found a lot of people playing DC1 had problems wrapping their head around it since you could not show 1 layer on the map that would give the supply network for all units (since the supply state of a hex is different based on the command chain of a unit).

This is more straight forward.

I am sorry I did not make everything more complicated, there have been a number of design choices in which i made things a little bit easier. Also it was really a lot of calculations and slowed the game down quite much.

If you want you can do a public beta test with the old rules. Go to the editor => stngs => rulevars => select category 'supply' => set rulevar 887 to 0 (disabling easy supply/autoreinf rules)
This should work properly for supply, but has not been fully tested with replacement troops (which are also routed through HQs now). Any feedback is welcome, but playing with this option turned on falls outside regular game support, so no guarantees. Also expect a significant wait at startup of turn of like around minute when playing with this option turned on.

also... hi sanderz,
The logistical center bonus is only cumulative if the radius' of the bonus of the different towns do not overlap.

Hope this helps.

Best,
Vic

I tried this vic - and one thing I immediately noticed was that 11th army HQ eneded up with 5 stukas in it inventory of troops. one of its air units had requested the replacements but they seemed to get stuck in the HQ and not passed on. A turn later they were gone - passed to an air unit. It also got 100 romanian infentry which stayed with the HQ - so guess its not working with replacements

edit ... scrub the bit about the romanian infantry - seems they were passed on but to a corps hq within 11th army ... so it seems the replacements stop at the HQ then pass on down the chain in the following turns to end up where they should. That actually sounds kind of good to me - but I guess not how you envisaged it working ...

Hi,

Actually this is intended behaviour with the Easy Supply/Replacement rule switched off. There is supposed to be a delay as the replacements trickle down the chain of command.

Best,
Vic

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ORIGINAL: Grotius

This thread is helpful, but I would love a bit more detail about how the APs for supply movement are calculated. In the starting Kharkov scenario as Germany, I can't understand why some AP costs are 9, some are 1, some are 53, etc. The terrain movement costs don't seem to add up right, even accounting for the "structural" bonuses from cities en route.

Does a city with 2000 structural points "subtract" 20 APs from the route? 1000 structural points subtracts 10 APs? Does this subtraction happen only once per city en route, as long as the supply passes through that city? If the total AP cost is 5 and the supply route then reaches a city with a -20 AP bonus, is the count reset to 0, or 1, or -15?

Also, it seems that every route to a unit is traced through its immediate HQ, even though that HQ no longer plays a role in distributing supply. Am I mistaken about that?

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1) If it takes you 100AP for Supply to reach a 2000 structural city, what is the first hex out of the city.., 100? Then after 20 more AP, it becomes 101?

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2) Same situation as (1), but the City gets attacked and suffers 1000 damage. After this attack, the city's structure is 1000. Are the free AP for Supply now only 10?

3) If this is still correct, then a unit in situation (1) was 20 Supply away from the town (thus having a Supply of 100). The town gets attacked and is now down to 1000 Structure (which only now gives a bonus of 10). Is that unit's Supply AP now go from 100 to 110 due to the structure damage to the city?