Matrix Games

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ORIGINAL: Chris H

Listed as AM but you cannot form a minesweeping TF with them only minelaying

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Chris H

Listed as AM but you cannot form a minesweeping TF with them only minelaying

Could you explain a bit? Why would you want to form a minesweeping TF with them only minelaying?

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ORIGINAL: US87891

It looks like a weird little bug is skittering around. Fugasses are minesweepers but also have special auxiliary mines. If all of the minesweepers in a port have special auxiliary mines they won’t form a minesweeper TF. If there is one minesweeper in the port without special auxiliary mines then I can make a minesweeper TF and also put Fugasses into it just fine.

One more weird thing is if I edit the Fugasses mine weapon and move the 15 from armor to ammo and make them real mines instead of special auxiliary mines the Fugasses make a minesweeper TF just fine too. I think it is when all of the minesweepers have special auxiliary mines that the make new TF thinks you want a minelaying TF and doesn’t show the minesweeping TF.

Matt

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ORIGINAL: Alfred
Or it could be something else.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

I know you are not trying to form an ASW TF. I can read.

I am suggesting that in the change from classical WITP to AE, which affected the type of missions an AM was capable of, something has gone awry and that currently in AE perhaps the code does not recognise an AM class which lacks any ASW weapons as being a valid ship to form a minesweeping task force.

Frankly I was trying to give michaelm a leg up in tracking down the source of this prima facie bug and in the process give you a possible explanation, pending michaelm's definitive answer.

As to the internet disclosing the Fugas class was a minesweeper and therefore it is wrongly equipped in the game, that is an irrelevancy. There is no minesweeping device in the game, thus you can't correctly or incorrectly equip minesweepers in the game. It all depends on whether the game code recognises a class as a valid minesweeper.

Rather than rushing off to the internet to check on the Fugas, have you bothered to check whether the same problem also afflicts the French class I nominated as having the same deficiency. Obviously if the French class can be formed into a minesweeper TF then some other factor is responsible.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Chris H

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

I know you are not trying to form an ASW TF. I can read.

I am suggesting that in the change from classical WITP to AE, which affected the type of missions an AM was capable of, something has gone awry and that currently in AE perhaps the code does not recognise an AM class which lacks any ASW weapons as being a valid ship to form a minesweeping task force.

Frankly I was trying to give michaelm a leg up in tracking down the source of this prima facie bug and in the process give you a possible explanation, pending michaelm's definitive answer.

As to the internet disclosing the Fugas class was a minesweeper and therefore it is wrongly equipped in the game, that is an irrelevancy. There is no minesweeping device in the game, thus you can't correctly or incorrectly equip minesweepers in the game. It all depends on whether the game code recognises a class as a valid minesweeper.

Rather than rushing off to the internet to check on the Fugas, have you bothered to check whether the same problem also afflicts the French class I nominated as having the same deficiency. Obviously if the French class can be formed into a minesweeper TF then some other factor is responsible.

Alfred

Not how you previous post read to me since you talked about ASW but it's no biggy as far as I'm concerned No I don't have any French AM.

Having no idea what a Fugas ship was in real life, checking on the internet is a valid option. It could have been a minelayer for all I knew and therefore it's classification as an AM in the game would be wrong and, like you I was attempting to isolate the problem.