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RE: Innocently Slaughtering: Japanese Glory--RA - 7/2/2012 7:14:32 PM   
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Just might answer for the sake of taking Hawaii.

I've always felt that if one could take PH or render it unusable to the American Fleet you would mightily advance the Japanese cause. It totally turns the axis of probable attack on its head. Having Midway, the Line Islands, and Hawaii would create a massive line from which the American Commander would be force to either (1) go north through the Aleutians, (2) start down in Suva/Pago Pago, (3) work from Australia, or (4) come from India. The capture would massively expand Allied supply lines as well as take an excellent anchorage/repair yard out of the picture. Note that I don't HAVE to take PH. Having everything but PH still achieves the same thing.


I think that there is a problem with this: Hawaii are so far outside of Japanese perimeter, that even transferring planes there is problematic (Allies can cut off Japanese ability to transfer fighters there by taking Midway and Johnson simultaneously, and these islands are too small and isolated to be effectively defended). Also, fuel costs for supplying them and maintaining active operations must be kept in mind when playing RA. I found Hawaii (without Oahu) somewhat of a trunk without handle - hard to carry, but too valuable to drop.

That said, my Hawaian operation did miracles in attriting Allied fleets. I exchanged 2 old battleships for 8 there, and still can enjoy local surface superiority in some areas in 1/44 as the result.

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RE: Innocently Slaughtering: Japanese Glory--RA - 7/2/2012 7:50:30 PM   
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To me attriting the Enemy is the kay. What could one accomplish in India compared to Hawaii? Sinking the Royal Navy wouldn't get one very far while sinking large numbers of the American Fleet would greatly help.

Came back to thinking about India with the Hook. One can take Ceylon without triggering reinforcements. So I guess one could land there and gain those facilities while landing at Viza and driving east to get those Industrial facilities.



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RE: Innocently Slaughtering: Japanese Glory--RA - 7/2/2012 9:30:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		FYI, one can even take Calcutta without triggering the reinforcements. I think the LOD is the hex row "East" of Dehli.

My earlier comment assumed you have a house rule about paying PPs to cross national boundaries with restricted Indian Army units. It's those units that could fight at Calcutta or elsewhere but couldn't enter Burma in numbers I was cautioning you about.

That said, if you want all of India I think you have to land on Karachi, which obviously will trigger the LOD.

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RE: Innocently Slaughtering: Japanese Glory--RA - 7/2/2012 9:45:51 PM   
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Status: online 		Yup, and remember that as soon as you cross the LOD, at Karachi will magically spring 72 Spitfires mk VIII....that will kill everything you put in the air at a rate of something like 15 to 1....

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RE: Innocently Slaughtering: Japanese Glory--RA - 7/2/2012 9:52:34 PM   
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RE: Innocently Slaughtering: Japanese Glory--RA - 7/2/2012 10:00:24 PM   
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Your Flying Circus of Death, GJ. The Few that saved Karachi. What a story it was!


Yup, i saved Karachi thanks to those 72 Spitfires...was a great adventure...but not for the Japs

Seriously John, those Spifire, packed with some 72 Hurricanes and possibly some american planes could easily turn the whole Karachi adventure into a nightmare... am not saying you should not do that...just underlining another possible problem

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RE: Innocently Slaughtering: Japanese Glory--RA - 7/3/2012 12:32:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Invade Karachi or do the right hook. No in betweens. Would like to point out with all the ground bases in the IO and bases noth of the LOD, can isloate karachi with the extended map. May be good time to see the effects of the extended map on an India campaign.........

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RE: Innocently Slaughtering: Japanese Glory--RA - 7/3/2012 5:04:13 AM   
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It's late, am very tired and was ready for bed; but by the time I was midway down page one of this thread I was so fired up I couldn't stand it!

John 3rd - to me it doesn't matter what you choose to do; it will be fast, hard and furious. I have no doubt that the fur will fly...

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RE: Innocently Slaughtering: Japanese Glory--RA - 7/3/2012 6:02:08 AM   
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Just got home and found the 12-7-41 turn sitting in the in box. Time to see how things start. Will be back with a quick Posting.


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RE: Innocently Slaughtering: Japanese Glory--RA - 7/3/2012 7:35:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The decision is in. I will work a Right Hook into India and, possibly, take Ceylon.

Turn ONE is now in the books. Fairly average and nothing to write home about. Will Post in the Morning.


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RE: Innocently Slaughtering: Japanese Glory--RA - 7/3/2012 2:12:38 PM   
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Status: online 		As an Allied player I´ll say this. Losing PH wouldn´t worry me too much. I wouldn´t even try to take it back until late game.

Losing India on the other hand would be an...I can´t even find words strong enough to tell you how horrible that would be!

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...and the Bombs fell... - 7/3/2012 9:30:35 PM   
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December 7, 1941

Am going to describe the Opening of the war as an OK start. Nothing terrible but nothing exciting either. We'll cover the areas that saw attacks:

Pearl Harbor
CarDiv2 and CarDiv5 start the war by launching a strike 78 Zero, 93 Val, and 93 Kate. There is no aerial opposition. The Val Daitai were split evenly between AF and Port Attack while the Kates saw two Daitai with Bombs and 2 with Torps. The results of the attack are acceptable but could have been much better since SIX Torps struck their targets and were DUDS. Never seen that before. Here are the results:

Arizona 2 800Kg--1 TT--2 Bombs---On Fire
Nevada 1 800Kg--3 TT--2 Bombs---Heavy Damage
Oklahoma 1 800Kg--3 TT--2 Bombs---Heavy Damage
Pennsylvania 1 800Kg--4 Bombs
California 1 TT--5 Bombs---On Fire
Maryland 2 800Kg--3 Bombs---On Fire
West Virginia 1 800Kg--1 TT--3 Bombs---On Fire
Tennessee 2 800Kg--2 TT--3 Bombs--On Fire

CA San Francisco 1 800Kg---Heavy Fires, DD Aylwin 1TT---SUNK, DD Cassin 1TT---SUNK.

Two strikes by Jakes sank a pair of AMc.

Six more TTs would surely have helped but we live with what we get. For the attack we lose only 2 Val and 2 Kate. That is pleasantly acceptable. KB moves due west to Cover the Midway and Wake Landings.

The Philippines
Manila
This base is the focal point of several strikes on Opening Day. To start with 36 Zero Sweep in and find no opposition. This raid is closely followed by 18 Zero and 27 Betty who attack the AF getting decent results and destroying a few planes on the ground. The main action is provided for by CarDiv1 who launch 28 Zero, 54 Val, and 54 Kate for a Port strike. EXCELLENT Results occur here as the American Subs serve as the focal point of the attack:

SUNK: SS Saury, Swordfish, Pickerel, Porpoise, Perch, S-40, and S-41. DAMAGED: 8 more are hit by one or two bombs.
Damaged Shipping: AS, 3 AK, AP, TK, 2 PG, AV Langley, AVD, and an AM

Seven SS confirmed sunk with another 8 hit. Very nice. He will expect a massed assault on Manila next turn so I won't provide it. Will first take my bases needed for Zeros to SWEEP on the 9th. THEN I'll attack.

Iba
Nailed by 9 Z and 27 Betty destroying 4 planes on the ground.

Clark
Hit by 27 Zero and 54 Betty massively damaging the AF and destroying several P-40 and B-17s.

Cagayan
Hit by 36 Nell/Betty from Babeldoap smashing the AF and destroying at least 3 B-17s.

Landings in the Philippines: Aparri (33rd ID), Laoag (65th Brigade and 2 BF), and Cotabato is taken by Paras.

Hong Kong
Smashed by 7 F and 78 Bombers destroying several planes on the ground. In the afternoon 9 Vals attack and plant 2 Bombs on DM Thracian.

Malaya
Kota Bharu, Alor Star, and Georgetown all hit by several raids. Each AF is damaged heavily and at least 10 planes are destroyed.

Kota Bharu sees three landings and a BB Bombardment by old Fuso and Yamashiro. There are 2+ ID coming ashore with lots of support troops.

Victoria Point falls to an Army Parachute Landing. Base Forces being flown in.

Borneo
Miri has a Nvl Guard land at it and it will fall tomorrow.


So (as you can see) a fairly standard opening round with nothing to write home about. Everything worked and went where I wanted it but nothing GLORIOUS occurred.


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Planning - 7/3/2012 10:13:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK. The game is now rolling. Here are my initial thoughts regarding the Hook into Eastern India:

Burma: Double the normal weight of the attack there to 2 ID. Build pressure for reinforcement.

Land a massed Invasion Force (4 ID) at Viza or that other town there in early-March. ALL Armor and Paras to be included within the assault.

Land another 4 ID at Chittagong a few days AFTER the landing at Viza. We'll try to catch him while on the move.

Possibly at the same time as the Viza Landing hit Ceylon with a like amount of Troops (all Infantry) for a quick capture of the island.




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RE: Planning - 7/3/2012 10:27:03 PM   
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OK. The game is now rolling. Here are my initial thoughts regarding the Hook into Eastern India:

Burma: Double the normal weight of the attack there to 2 ID. Build pressure for reinforcement.

Land a massed Invasion Force (4 ID) at Viza or that other town there in early-March. ALL Armor and Paras to be included within the assault.

Land another 4 ID at Chittagong a few days AFTER the landing at Viza. We'll try to catch him while on the move.

Possibly at the same time as the Viza Landing hit Ceylon with a like amount of Troops (all Infantry) for a quick capture of the island.





where you wanna draw your "line in the sand" ? cause the plains of central india and its RR system is a clear advantage when attacking....but once the allies get stronger, their armoured corps could be a pretty nasty opponent on that big and flat territory

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RE: Planning - 7/4/2012 12:00:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		If landing at Viza first, you will tend to draw troops out of the Assam/Calcutta region. This will make capture of the Assam easier, but will minimize the forces caught in the killsack. If destruction of forces is the main goal, reverse the landings (suck them in with Chitt landing and cut them off with Viza). If occupation and usage of industry is the main goal, then stick to your plan as is.

If you have the forces available, I'd take Ceylon either way. It has a variety of benefits (delay, shipyard, ships building at shipyard destroyed, etc), and if done early enough is very doable.

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RE: Planning - 7/4/2012 4:46:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am going to follow this AAR from your side, (my first). I was going to vote for India.

If you take the Hawaiian Islands, you can wreck havoc on the pacific supply routs and little else,this will be easily countered by redirecting though Capetown to India to Perth.

With India the real prize is the Industry, which is heavily loaded on the front side. If your lucky when you take the industry within three hex's of Calcutta there is 1100 resources 560 LI and 416 HI (after being cut in half) add a little fuel from Rangoon and that is almost 1500 supply a day. which will free up your shipping for other stuff.

You probably can't take all of India, unless your opponent, tries to defend forward, and you can eliminate large chunks of the Indian/British forces. But if he trades land for time, you get a walk in the park through large swaths of it.

I would land at Diamond harbor encircle Calcutta then smash it. from there you can easily cut of the entire Burma front from supplies, leaving them for latter. If you then drive up to Bombay with paratroops and tanks & rail-lines you just might cutoff the bulk of his forces from falling back to Karachi, Bombay is the best port for subs around Karachi. And Betties in Bombay will make his shipping a nightmare. You would then have lots of time to consolidate Southern India take Ceylon and turn that Island into a fortress for the late-game.

You might want to buy the 90th Infantry Regiment as it is broken into 3 Battalions of 42 AV each. your going need a lot of little units.

And you might want to seriously ramp up your vehicle factories, India is tank country, and you will want nearly every armored unit in the army there, 86 new vehicles a turn is going to be woefully inadequate for their work load.

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12-8-41 - 7/4/2012 5:13:51 PM   
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A fairly mediocre Opening turn turns into a rock-solid second turn for the Japanese. As guessed, my opponent emptied out Manila without me doing a Port Attack. The result--shall we say--were spectacular.

Planning and Regions:

North Pacific
Am planning my normal opening Northern Moves where I'll grab everything from Cold Bay west. It will take about a week to get my shipping and escorts together and shall then commence operations.

Central Pacific
KB moves about 9 hexes west of its starting point and shall be in range to protect the Midway Operation. Will bring the 4 AOs (I split them up) I brought with me will refuel the KB about the 10th or 11th.

The Imperial Guards Brigade moves north and east so it is about 6 hexes north of Midway. Will move slightly NE towards KB and run in for the landing the day after. Want to add a pair of CAs to the Landing Force to eat-up CD. The BCs will bombard Midway prior to the landing.

An SNLF Brigade departs Saipan headed for Wake.

TF are moving to grab Tarawa, Nauru, Makin, and others...

Southern Pacific
The South Seas Force is 50% to Rabaul and moving south. It is escorted by the 4 old CAs and some DDs. Want to get there prior to the Lexington entering the area.

Have several TF moving towards Finchhaven, New Guinea.

Philippines
Aparri and Laoag fall. Move 42 Zeros into Laoag. They will provide CAP tomorrow and Sweep Manila.

Additional Landings are moving forward.

STF: I created a batch of small STF to get shipping in the area. They do QUITE well!

1. CL Naka and 3 DD sink 1 TK, 2 AK, and 5 AKL
2. CL Natori and 3 DD engage the 4 US 4-Pipers without success and sink an AM
3. 4 DD engage those same 4 4-Pipers and damage a pair then sink an AO, 5 AM, 1 TK, an AK, and 2 AS. NICE! Looks like NO American AS survived to service those Asiatic Subs.
4. 3 DD vs 4 4-Pipers. Their 3rd fight fleeing the Philippines sees two of the DDs crippled, another heavily damaged, and the last one hit several times.
5. 2 TB engage the British Thanet and Scout. Each sides hits both ships of the opposition.

Knowing he'd run, I set a Daitai of Betty to Naval Attack and they do well: sink AV Landley, 2 AK, and a TK.

Paras take Dadjangas in Mindanao.

Cotabato gets 24 Kates from Babeldoap. Three small BF Coy will land there tomorrow to service them.

DEI
HOLY COW my SS are working. He must think there are 200 of them. See Below for details.

Miri is taken. Base Forces will land there within 2-3 days so we can get aircover going

CarDiv1 rounds Puerto Princessa and moves to launch strikes from the vicinity of Jolo.

Mini-KB launches two small strikes and sinks 5 AKL

At Samah the 4th ID begins loading for Palembang.

Malaya
Kota Bharu falls to a near 100-1 attack.

Hit several air bases and troop concentrations.

Kuantan Invasion Force (IF) due to land in 2-3 days.

Burma
I-164 reacts into Rangoon and hits a mine. Oops. Doubtful as to her survival.

Victoria Point gains two BF from TR use and I order the 1st Raiding Force to drop at Pt. Blair. Don't know if they have enough Oomph or not but shall try.

SS Operations
I-165 sinks AP Kedah near Palembang
I-121 hits AG Canopus near Ossthaven
I-159 hits TK Pleiodon and sinks AP Sin Kheng Seng near Singapore
I-123 hits AD Blackhawk with 1 TT near Balikpapan
I-162 sinks AKL Hermelin near Rangoon
I-155 hits TK Augustina near Merak
I-164 sinks AKL Chaksang near rangoon
I-122 sinks AVP Poolster near Billiton
Ro-33 hits AK Yu Sang near Busauanga
I-166 sinks AVP Fazant near Semarang

WOW. SS account for 2 AP, 2 AKL, and 2 AVP and damage an AD, AG, 2 TK and an AK. Nice work there.








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12-8-41 - 7/4/2012 5:17:58 PM   
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RE: Planning - 7/4/2012 5:22:20 PM   
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I am going to follow this AAR from your side, (my first). I was going to vote for India.

If you take the Hawaiian Islands, you can wreck havoc on the pacific supply routs and little else,this will be easily countered by redirecting though Capetown to India to Perth.

With India the real prize is the Industry, which is heavily loaded on the front side. If your lucky when you take the industry within three hex's of Calcutta there is 1100 resources 560 LI and 416 HI (after being cut in half) add a little fuel from Rangoon and that is almost 1500 supply a day. which will free up your shipping for other stuff.

You probably can't take all of India, unless your opponent, tries to defend forward, and you can eliminate large chunks of the Indian/British forces. But if he trades land for time, you get a walk in the park through large swaths of it.

I would land at Diamond harbor encircle Calcutta then smash it. from there you can easily cut of the entire Burma front from supplies, leaving them for latter. If you then drive up to Bombay with paratroops and tanks & rail-lines you just might cutoff the bulk of his forces from falling back to Karachi, Bombay is the best port for subs around Karachi. And Betties in Bombay will make his shipping a nightmare. You would then have lots of time to consolidate Southern India take Ceylon and turn that Island into a fortress for the late-game.

You might want to buy the 90th Infantry Regiment as it is broken into 3 Battalions of 42 AV each. your going need a lot of little units.

And you might want to seriously ramp up your vehicle factories, India is tank country, and you will want nearly every armored unit in the army there, 86 new vehicles a turn is going to be woefully inadequate for their work load.


Cribtop and Purcell:

1. The 90th starts this Mod bought-out and in Babeldoap.
2. Will definitely begin an expansion of Vehicles. Need LOTS of TANKS!
3. The HI and Resources are the prize. This is what swung me to Eastern India. It is an ECONOMIC justification.
4. Cribtop: I will put together and serious Operational Order for this Plan and place it here by Dec 15th game time. Your question as to goals REALLY made me think some on it. Good queries.
5. Due to the near disasters with Lew's Game, I've decided to combine CarDiv1 and the 3 CVL into one TF so they have BUNCHES of Zeros for CAP.


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RE: Planning - 7/4/2012 5:46:37 PM   
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In India I think a landing on the West coast after your first two would be more profitable than the Ceylon part. Put 4 divisions at Surat and a few tanks to cut rail lines ahead and you could trap a good section of Indian troops before they can fall back. More risk, more potential. And you still don't have to cross the LOD if you don't want to.

He might even get nervous and give you all of the East trying to save troops for a last defense at Karachi.

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RE: Planning - 7/4/2012 5:55:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Where EXACTLY is the Indian Line-of-Death? Course--Landing on the West Coast will free-up yet MORE Allied troops...NOT GOOD.

Nevermind. Scratch the above. We are strictly speaking of a Tactical Move and not a Strategic knockout of India.



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RE: Planning - 7/4/2012 6:00:59 PM   
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RE: Planning - 7/4/2012 6:28:34 PM   
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Where EXACTLY is the Indian Line-of-Death? Course--Landing on the West Coast will free-up yet MORE Allied troops...NOT GOOD.

Nevermind. Scratch the above. We are strictly speaking of a Tactical Move and not a Strategic knockout of India.




If my memory serves correctly it is here. I do know that rader was in Surat before it activated, so it's past that point.




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RE: Planning - 7/4/2012 6:32:27 PM   
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Where EXACTLY is the Indian Line-of-Death? Course--Landing on the West Coast will free-up yet MORE Allied troops...NOT GOOD


Going back over my saves in my AI game ( it's my first run so I am sneaking peaks at the Allies) When I made a para-drop on Jaipur I triggered it. ( which is directly west of Delhi.)

I was already in Bombay-Indor-Agra, and closing on Delhi.

the AI got five full divisions plus an armored division plus a headquarters, and to make it worse he those divisions are full of high tech future squads and weapons he should not have for years to come. but he did not get 72 spitfires mark VIII.

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RE: Planning - 7/4/2012 6:38:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Where EXACTLY is the Indian Line-of-Death? Course--Landing on the West Coast will free-up yet MORE Allied troops...NOT GOOD.

Nevermind. Scratch the above. We are strictly speaking of a Tactical Move and not a Strategic knockout of India.




If my memory serves correctly it is here. I do know that rader was in Surat before it activated, so it's past that point.





Correct. Scoodra doesn't activate it. You better check with the new map if the new bases north of the LOD (which is exactly where obvert has placed it) do activate the emergency reinforcements.
i repeat: the worst part of them is the 72 spitfires that suddenly can spring at Karachi...beware!

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Dec 9-11, 1941

We did real well getting in two turns yesterday and one this morning. Like the turns a bit faster at the start since it gives a nice feel and pace to the beginning. Helps find a early rhythm I guess.

We've had some excellent success and one solid, nice repulse.

North Pacific
Shipping gathering at Etorofu.

Central Pacific
Midway
Two BC nail the atoll on the 11th and then Tone and Chikuma thicken the IF to absorb CD fire. KB stayed south of Midway for two days providing Cover. The Imperial Guards make their presence known when they land and take Midway on the 11th. In a nice 11-1 Attack they easily bag the defenders. Have 2 Base Forces and Engineers coming here. Additionally an AS is on the way. Will develop the Forts and expand the Port to 2 for SS Operations. He'll come back for it but I hope to have an ADU there BEFORE he does.

Load Imperial Guards for operations to the South.

Take Nauru, Ocean, Makin, and Tarawa. Guam falls on the 9th.

Where is Enterprise? Imagine he moved her towards Wake to grab the Marine F4F and then is maybe lurking to hit the Invasion Force. This is why I swung the Wake IF NE. The pair of BC are ordered to join the IF to protect it from Wake's CD. With the amount of Mavis and Emily Air Search I have going right now, I KNOW she is not west of Wake. Decide to send the KB due south towards Johnston and see if she is moving east AWAY from Wake. If so, I shall attempt an old-fashioned bushwhack!

South Pacific
The Rabaul Force is--ON PAPER--very impressive. I had 4 CA, 2 CL, and 8 DDs. I embedded a CA, CL, and DD into the Invasion Force while the remainer was a STF. It only makes sense that on the 10th the Allies find the IF BEFORE the STF! CA Aoba and CL Isuzu attempt to fight off CA Canberra and CLs Perth, Leander, and Achilles. UGLY is the result. I lose 4 PB and 6 of 7 AK! NASTY. The survivors of the South Seas Force and 15th Base Force land at Kavieng on the 11th so I don't lose ALL of both units. Should note that the STF makes its appearance after the slaughter is over and manage to sink CL Leander with multiple Long Lances. Canberra takes a bunch of small caliber hits as well as Achilles getting hit 6 times. That cruiser force is out of it but BOY they do their job. Tip of the hat to the Allies!

I need to mention that none of my warships are in a sinking condition (thankfully). Kinugasa took 2 8" Shells and a TT but is fine for getting back to Truk. CL Isuzu got beat-up some but will make Port as well.

While this is happening I land two small Infantry Units, a large Base Force, and 2 Engineering units at Finschhaven. Take the base on the 11th. Begin AF expansion and fly in 12 Mavis. The Infantry moves out for Lae.

The near destruction of the South Seas Force makes life a little more interesting, however, I do have an SNLF Assault Brigade at Truk. It will take Rabaul. This will cost me about a week but that is OK. Should have done far better but this is life.

Philippines
Troops and supplies continue off-loading at Vigan, Aparri, and Laoag. Have IF about to land at Antimonan. There are 5+ Inf Div landing here to make quick work of Luzon. The 33rd ID takes Tueguegarao on the 11th.

I wait a bit to hit Manila's Port and try to concentrate on knocking down P-40s. Sweep Clark with 36 Zero on the 10th and fight off 30 P-40s. I lose 1 Zero and knock down about 10 Fighters. While that furball is going on the main strike of 18 Zero and 86 Betty wheel into Manila Harbor. There they find 33 Fighters and a bunch of damaged SS. The Zeros cannot hold-off all those fighters and I end up losing 1 Zero and 10 Betty in exchange for 7 Fighters and sinking SS Permit, Sculpin, Seal, Stingray, Snapper, and S-41. This makes a total of 11 Fleet and/or S-Boats sunk at Manila. GOT TO LIKE THAT! Rest the Bettys on the 11th and Sweep Manila with 38 Zero vs 18 Fighters. Good results of 1 Zero for 7 Fighters.

In Mindanao, Cotabato begins immediate Kate Service hitting fleeing shipping (2 Chutai of 12 Kates). The 90th Inf Regiment and an additional Inf Reg land here by the 11th and heads out for Cagayan. Paras advance out of Dadjangas and head for Davao.

Since the aerial activity has been so slight in the Philippines, I order 4 US DDs back to Manila to act as a Fast STF. They arrive with no difficulty. Send them shipping hunting on the 11th. See if they bag anything.

DEI
Hong Kong FALLS on the 2nd attack on Dec 11th! Already have MSW headed there as well as shipping to grab the 38th ID.

Landings scheduled for Ternate tomorrow as well as the base north of Balikpapan.

I use 6 CA, 2 CL, and 8 DDs to Fast TF a whole Regiment that lands at Singakawang on the 11th. Have 3 Base Forces leaving Miri for this destination as well an Air Flotilla from Saigon. Do this to make sure there is plenty of aircover to protect the 4th ID for Palembang. That TF is about to cross the northern and western edges of Sumatra next turn. Landing at Palembang should occur in 3 days.

KB-2
CarDiv1 continues its moves towards Soerabaja passing down the sea between Sumatra and Celebes. While making this transit it links-up with Mini-KB making the force quite impressive (Akagi, Kaga, Ryujo, Zuiho, and Shoho). The CVs lay waste as they move. Totals sinkings for the 3 days are: 1 AO, 2 AK, 10 AKL, 1 PG, 1 AM. Everything has been Bombs. I have not used a single Torpedo yet. The Raid on the 11th features 17 Zero and 69 Kate attack Soerabaja. They are met by 48 Fighters and it really looks BAD for the good guys, however, the Zeros fend off most of those old planes and the Kates hit CL Tromp (2 Bombs), an AR, and DD Witte do With. Losses end up only 1 Zero and 6 Kate (plus 3 crash on decks landing) for 11 Fighters. Could be better but...

The combined CV TF now skirts the south edge of Sumatra heading for Palembang. With over 125 Zeros, this should take care of attacking planes from Java, Palembang, and Singapore.

Malaya
Drive the Indian Brigade a second time from Alor Star and withdraw the Cavalry unit so I can combine it to form-up an Inf Div. Two more ID are just about ready for combining at Alor Star. Once they do this, I will lift all three ID and take Mersing. He is already giving me the entire peninsula so why bother fighting my way down it with Inf? Use the 2 TK Reg I have to do that...

Burma
Port Blair
Paras land from Victoria Point on the 9th. They miss a 2-1 by just a hair! Sit them on the 10th and 11th. Everything looks good for tomorrow. Will airlift the remaining troops and launch a shock attack that should take the base.

Imperial Guards arrives at Pisanaloke and s now heading for Burma. Two TK Reg and an Inf Reg are moving out for Tavoy area from Bangkok.

China
He has taken Inchang on the 11th. Hmmm...

I am driving on Changsha. We'll see what happens here.

HATE CHINA!

SS Ops
I have NEVER seen such an opening performance for the Imperial SS Fleet! BANZAI! Day-by-Day:

9th
I-155 SINKS AVP Merel near Oosthaven
I-159 hits TK Semiramis with a TT near Palembang
I-153 SINKS AVP Volk near Balikpapan
Ro-65 hits AP Macdhui near Lae

10th
I-6 SINKS AK K.I. Luckenbach near Los Angeles
I-157 SINKS AMC Pancy near Koggala
I-158 hits AK Erinpura near Koggala
I-7 SINKS AO Tippecanoe near San Lius Obispo (Isn't that one of BIG AOs?)
I-166 hits AP Hong Kheng near Semarang
I-4 hits AK Arkansan AND AK American Leader near San L. Obispo

11th
(Have 5 MISSES this day)
I-5 hits AO Kaskaskia near the Channel Isles
I-17 SINKS AV Wright with 2 TT near Pearl Harbor
I-7 SINKS AK Alaskan near San Diego

SEVEN ships sunk with SEVEN damaged. A few of those shall sink...

Go Japanese SS!!!

PLANNING:
I am conducting research on my young Opponent. Having read his AAR I know he shall take some risks but I also know he will keep his CVs together. Usually this means the person will try to take advantage of my desire to split off my CVs. Will have to be careful here but I intend to keep CarDiv2 and CarDiv5 together in the Pacific for the first couple of months before they move over to aid in the IO Operation. Lew's near sinkings of 4 CVs--CVLs has really terrified me with CV Ops in the DEI so this is why I have combined my CVs into one TF. Should be powerful enough to protect itself! (I fervently hope...)

He is young to the game and holds my play to high standards. I am touched but--unlike Lew's game--this game is NOT designed for headlines. We'll go after eastern India but that is about it. To me this operation is fairly safe and it does not require a long-term Fleet commitment.

I know that all you guys shall be coaching him so I know he has excellent advisors and that shall help him. We shall see how the dice fall!








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RE: Dec 9-11, 1941 - 7/6/2012 3:17:35 AM   
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RE: Dec 9-11, 1941 - 7/6/2012 4:10:02 AM   
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I looked them up and Kaskaskia is about 15k capacity. Tippecanoe is around 10k. Both are really nice to have sunk!

Awesome results with the subs too, by the way! Banzai!

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