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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 9:21:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Congratulations on a major victory, GJ!  Having bought so much time to attend to your defenses and put them in good order must feel like you've won the lottery.  You really are quite an amazing player.  You're like the Hobbit of AE!



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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 9:33:27 AM   
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Economy:

The Oil has run dry in Japan. Despite my efforts the "New Convoy System" is simply too slow, while Japan "drink" 8,500 tons of oil per day!
Now 455,000 tons of oil are enroute from Singapore and we're trying to estabilish a new "line" from Shangai to Sasebo. The oil gets to Shangai only as long as there's a ship there requiring it, which means that the only way to get the oil flow to Shangai is to always keep a couple of TKs demanding for oil there. I've so organized a little chain of small TKs that daily are able to suck 9/10k oil from Shangai. But that, once again, means smaller convoys running around with less escort... and that means more losses

Let's see what we could do...

Also i need to consider that the fuel production in Japan is less important here than in stock cause refineries DO NOT produce supplies... so i have to ask myself if it's wise to move oil around when i could directly move fuel (which is also fastr to load/unload)...

What do you think Minister?

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 11:32:40 AM   
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What do you think Minister?


I've been in the minority when it comes to focusing on fuel shipments vs oil, but I've been 'politically incorrect' for years. I have focused on getting fuel out of Palembang first and use my 7950 capacity TKs with a few escorts to and from Singapore with CS convoys. Do the same thing from Medan. I use those small 1250 TKs to move oil out as large TKs take too much time to load. From Singapore, I like to use the dual capacity xAK to move some oil to Japan. Make a Cargo TF and load Resources. The AI will fill up the small 200 capacity with Oil. Once Oil builds up enough (about 100k is singapore), I ship it in those large, fast TKs.

Shanghai - Are you basing some of your Std-A, B, or C TKs here with some short legged PBs in CS convoys to move your Oil?? The AI will move stuff to a port based on what is home ported there along with port size.

Japan - I think slightly different here as I want a surplus of fuel here vs oil as an Allied player could target my refineries and all that oil will do you no good. IMO, I would focus on building up fuel before I focused on oil.

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 12:06:32 PM   
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quote:

What do you think Minister?


I've been in the minority when it comes to focusing on fuel shipments vs oil, but I've been 'politically incorrect' for years. I have focused on getting fuel out of Palembang first and use my 7950 capacity TKs with a few escorts to and from Singapore with CS convoys. Do the same thing from Medan. I use those small 1250 TKs to move oil out as large TKs take too much time to load. From Singapore, I like to use the dual capacity xAK to move some oil to Japan. Make a Cargo TF and load Resources. The AI will fill up the small 200 capacity with Oil. Once Oil builds up enough (about 100k is singapore), I ship it in those large, fast TKs.

Shanghai - Are you basing some of your Std-A, B, or C TKs here with some short legged PBs in CS convoys to move your Oil?? The AI will move stuff to a port based on what is home ported there along with port size.

Japan - I think slightly different here as I want a surplus of fuel here vs oil as an Allied player could target my refineries and all that oil will do you no good. IMO, I would focus on building up fuel before I focused on oil.

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That's exactly what i do except for Medan. I don' t use it cause it's too little to be of any real use and i have too few ship engineers to spread some of them there. Also the oil and fuel flows to Palmbang without any probelm anyway.

A Shangai i have the small 2500 TKs with some PBs and SCs that load oil.

My main problem is that if you focus on Oil you'll be short on fuel, no doubt. I was able to form a uber convoy with 400k oil and 300k fuel but it takes too much time to load and to move into one single big convoy.

My simple question is: would it be better to simpl ship fuel and forget about oil?

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 1:07:46 PM   
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My simple question is: would it be better to simple ship fuel and forget about oil?


NO!! Fuel is priority #1, but you still need to ship oil back to Japan.

I need a screenshot or two. Hit the "B" button to pull up "Bases." Then on the top click on "Show Resource and Garrison Data." Then click on "Oil" with a screenshot showing where all your Oil is stockpiling and then another by clicking on "Fuel" to let me see that one.

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 1:38:53 PM   
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quote:

My simple question is: would it be better to simple ship fuel and forget about oil?


NO!! Fuel is priority #1, but you still need to ship oil back to Japan.

I need a screenshot or two. Hit the "B" button to pull up "Bases." Then on the top click on "Show Resource and Garrison Data." Then click on "Oil" with a screenshot showing where all your Oil is stockpiling and then another by clicking on "Fuel" to let me see that one.

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Here u go Micheal!

However i think i've found the right solution:

No more oil convoys from Singa to Japan. Fast TKs and slow xAKs will move only fuel from Singa to Japan.
Fuel and oil will keep on flowing to Singa from Balikapan, Tarakan, Palembang, Miri and Brunei.
The oil will be shipped only from Shangai and Fusan, using small TKs.

I made some tests. i think i can manage to get 10k Oil every day to Shangai and some 4k to Fusan. If i can muster a decent convoy system i hope to be able to get to Japan something like 10k oil daily...which should be just enough to keep the refineries going.
At the same time i should be able to ship 400k fuel every 40 days to Japan (fuel loads and unloads much faster than oil).

Will forget about pumping oil from minor bases...it's just not efficient.

Java should provide enough fuel for the fleet operations in southern DEI




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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 1:39:47 PM   
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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 1:51:11 PM   
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Now the question is...how many days/weeks will Chengtu last?... It's mid feb... if i can get it by mid march 43... i think i'll be able to start shipping out units by mid april...can't wait to move out all those divisions... three tank divisions are already attached to the southern command, so can be moved out immediately.... where is the best place to use the tanks? Burma? Java? Sumatra? Islands?

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 2:05:42 PM   
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Hong Kong, Singapore, and Balikpapan have almost 620k in Oil. Add in what you have at Tarakan and you have two size 4 ports that will need some effort to empty out (oil and fuel). HK and Singapore can use the large, fast TKs to ship it all the way back to Japan. Assign 3 to 5 fast "E" escorts (you did convert your TBs over) and some of you older DDs. One escort with radar and then at least one escort with Type 2 or 95-2 DCs. Set them to "Do Not Refuel."

A lot of your small TKs can be used at Balikpapan, Tarakan, and over at Boela. Get out the oil and other stuff to a larger port (Babeldoab, Davao, or even up to Manila).

Boela and Babo have both maxed out for oil and have stopped producing.

Edit - Here is my Oil with the fuel as of mid-Jan '44.




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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 2:18:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Hong Kong, Singapore, and Balikpapan have almost 620k in Oil. Add in what you have at Tarakan and you have two size 4 ports that will need some effort to empty out (oil and fuel). HK and Singapore can use the large, fast TKs to ship it all the way back to Japan. Assign 3 to 5 fast "E" escorts (you did convert your TBs over) and some of you older DDs. One escort with radar and then at least one escort with Type 2 or 95-2 DCs. Set them to "Do Not Refuel."

A lot of your small TKs can be used at Balikpapan, Tarakan, and over at Boela. Get out the oil and other stuff to a larger port (Babeldoab, Davao, or even up to Manila).

Boela and Babo have both maxed out for oil and have stopped producing.



Balikapan was conquered with more than 600k oil! We've 2 30k Tons CS convoys moving it out to Singapore. We're doing well here.
The oil from HK is slowly moving to Shangai. If we implement the "sucking" process well at Shangai, i think we can empty HK

My idea now is to do not load any more oil at Singa. Simply unload it there and use Shangai and Fusan as the only 2 "pumping" ports in Asia.

Boela, Babo etc are too far away and too small and too close to the front to be efficient the sucking process. I decided to simply forget them. My TKs are too precious to be sent there and we better use them to keep on sucking from asian ports rather than cross the pacific to get out those 20k oil tons

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 2:20:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Hong Kong, Singapore, and Balikpapan have almost 620k in Oil. Add in what you have at Tarakan and you have two size 4 ports that will need some effort to empty out (oil and fuel). HK and Singapore can use the large, fast TKs to ship it all the way back to Japan. Assign 3 to 5 fast "E" escorts (you did convert your TBs over) and some of you older DDs. One escort with radar and then at least one escort with Type 2 or 95-2 DCs. Set them to "Do Not Refuel."

A lot of your small TKs can be used at Balikpapan, Tarakan, and over at Boela. Get out the oil and other stuff to a larger port (Babeldoab, Davao, or even up to Manila).

Boela and Babo have both maxed out for oil and have stopped producing.

Edit - Here is my Oil with the fuel as of mid-Jan '44.






Gosh...how did you get so much oil in the HI!?!?!?

Ok Ok...it can be done so!
Very well, i'll do my best!

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 2:36:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Com'on guys, let's face the truth: would you really send your crack KB pilots against an enemy lvl 9 AF in mid 1943!?!?!? (1) Yes, i may sink some transports...maybe even some cruisers... but at the expense of hundreds of my crack, irreplaceable pilots!
I need the KB to be my sharp blade when the real invasion will take place. The goal isn't simply to sink ships. The goal is to stop invasions!



interesting.
the association of KB is indicative for crackpilots...
KB = Japan's best-of-the-best
once killed, all the mighty is gone, the CVs nothing more then lame ducks, light prey even for a badly hurt... hm?
You could make your opponent very happy - for a while. And even sinking a ship or two.

I had thought a lot about jrcar's defence - maybe he invented a reverse Ghengis-Khan strategem, allways leaving a little gap, where it doesn't hurt so much. Give your opponent a little bit of hope... it's x-mas. :-))

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(1) that was your interpretation :-)
and in exactly this context I would sec ond you, but it isn't necessary just thart black and white...
war is all about deception.

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 4:26:37 PM   
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Now the question is...how many days/weeks will Chengtu last?... It's mid feb... if i can get it by mid march 43... i think i'll be able to start shipping out units by mid april...can't wait to move out all those divisions... three tank divisions are already attached to the southern command, so can be moved out immediately.... where is the best place to use the tanks? Burma? Java? Sumatra? Islands?


Australia.....

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 5:13:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Com'on guys, let's face the truth: would you really send your crack KB pilots against an enemy lvl 9 AF in mid 1943!?!?!? (1) Yes, i may sink some transports...maybe even some cruisers... but at the expense of hundreds of my crack, irreplaceable pilots!
I need the KB to be my sharp blade when the real invasion will take place. The goal isn't simply to sink ships. The goal is to stop invasions!



interesting.
the association of KB is indicative for crackpilots...
KB = Japan's best-of-the-best
once killed, all the mighty is gone, the CVs nothing more then lame ducks, light prey even for a badly hurt... hm?
You could make your opponent very happy - for a while. And even sinking a ship or two.

I had thought a lot about jrcar's defence - maybe he invented a reverse Ghengis-Khan strategem, allways leaving a little gap, where it doesn't hurt so much. Give your opponent a little bit of hope... it's x-mas. :-))

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(1) that was your interpretation :-)
and in exactly this context I would sec ond you, but it isn't necessary just thart black and white...
war is all about deception.



Well, the truth is that i want my crack fighter pilots to shoot down enemy bombers and my crack bomber pilots to sink ships (better if with troops aboard), not sacrifying their lifes against land targets.

I wanna keep them alive when the Empire will really need them. I may be wrong but that's my view of Japan in war...hold them for the "decisive" battle!

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 6:46:35 PM   
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So it seems that those who's foreseen a new life for the Burma theatre were right. Brad started back his bombing campaign against Akyab. Cruisers bombed it from the sea, while hundreds of 2Es attacked it for the last 3 days.
I'm sending more supplies to Rangoon to counter it and hope my defensive strategy will prove to be a good one even for 1943.


Given that you needn't worry much about USN CV's for a short while, maybe it's time for a KB rampage in the Indian Ocean?

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/29/2012 11:31:59 PM   
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So it seems that those who's foreseen a new life for the Burma theatre were right. Brad started back his bombing campaign against Akyab. Cruisers bombed it from the sea, while hundreds of 2Es attacked it for the last 3 days.
I'm sending more supplies to Rangoon to counter it and hope my defensive strategy will prove to be a good one even for 1943.


Given that you needn't worry much about USN CV's for a short while, maybe it's time for a KB rampage in the Indian Ocean?



Hi mate. Nice to have you here!

No, once again: what would i gain? TKs? xAKs? He has tons of them... and i bet that if i show him my KB in the I.O. he will immediately land in CENTPAC or southern DEI... no, i prefer to keep him honest and make him sweat for every inch he wants to gain.
I understand this is not "fun" to watch...but we're not here to have fun...we're here to save the Empire!


Feb 15- 16, 43

The enemy resumes his hit&run tactic over the skies of China. His fighters keep on moving from Chungking to Chengtu, from Kunming to Tsuyun. We don't want to waste my bombers, so we are not giving him easy targets.

In Burma today we gave him revange for the ambush of the last week over Chengtu. We ambushed the enemy bombers over Akyab. killing some 50 enemy fighters and bombers, losing 4 pilots and 10 planes. Not bad.

We're also shifting some more planes to Southern DEI. Now we have more than 300 LBA bombers and some 400 fighters spread around from Timor to Ambon. He won't have easy time

In China we're getting ready for the second assault on Chengtu. One week to go.

KB reached Rabaul....now i have to decide what to do. Time for some hard decisions...



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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 46
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 43
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 37

Allied aircraft
P-66 Vanguard x 11
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16
Wellington Ic x 16
A-20A Havoc x 16
B-25C Mitchell x 16
B-26 Marauder x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-66 Vanguard: 5 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 5 destroyed
Wellington Ic: 5 destroyed
A-20A Havoc: 6 destroyed
B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 16

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Ground combat at Chengtu (75,41)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3546 troops, 281 guns, 183 vehicles, Assault Value = 3529

Defending force 68120 troops, 264 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1436

Allied ground losses:
213 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
104th Division
37th/B Division
70th Division
35th Division
13th/B Division
39th Division
37th/C Division
4th Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
37th/A Division
3rd Tank Regiment
15th Division
27th Division
2nd Tank Division
1st Tank Division
13th/A Division
2nd Tank Regiment
13th/C Division
23rd Army
1st Mortar Battalion
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
1st Army
21st Mortar Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
76th Chinese Corps
57th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
12th Chinese Corps
69th Chinese Corps
7th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
24th Chinese Corps
98th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
19th Chinese Corps
3rd New Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Base Force
56th AT Gun Regiment
24th Group Army
1st War Area
38th Chinese Corps
12th Group Army
Jingcha War Area
Red Chinese Army
26th Group Army
29th Group Army
4th Chinese Base Force
3rd Construction Regiment
1st Construction Regiment
2nd Group Army
3rd Group Army
2nd War Area
22nd Artillery Regiment
5th War Area
7th Group Army
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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/30/2012 9:19:31 AM   
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Feb 17 1943

An enemy cruiser TF is moving to bomb Taberfane (east of Saumlaki). We're moving 100 more Netties to this theatre, waiting for the inveditable.
Daily air bombings continue over Saumlaki and Babar. In the last days Brad has put a lot more efforts on the escort missions, giving to his 2Es not less than 50 P-38s as body-guards!

After the yesterday ambush, today Burma was quiet. The enemy will come back but i'm ager to keep on defending my air space. In Burma We are still potent in the air and a brand new George Sentai is now being assembled at Rangoon. Let them come...

Now it's time for the real decisions: to divide or not to divide the KB? We have 2 problems: the pacific is very low on fuel and the KB drains tons of fuel every day. So it would be better to move it to the DEI and to slowly build up again my fuel stocks at Truk.
At the same time i'm not happy with the idea of leaving completely undefended the CENTPAC. I know he's ready to strike there and i really don't like the idea of giving him some more easy advance vectors.

The other problem is that southern DEI waters are infested with subs...would be a shame to have my CVs sunk while we hang around the southern DEI waiting for him...

mmmm... i also need to get those badly needed engineers to Christmas I.O....and i want at least some CVs to cover that operation.... Cocos is getting every day stronger. it has a huge and quality CAP that every day shoots down one of my Mavis/Emilies. His recon from there is even able to look deep down into Singapore harbour...my moves won't be unseen... that's for sure.

So should i divide the KB into two divisions, leaving one in the Pacific and moving to the DEI the other one?

...decisions decisions decisions

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/30/2012 12:05:22 PM   
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I'd say keep it together. The less he knows the better.

Use a fast transport and get the engineers in quick to Christmas IO, or just fly some in that don't have vehicles. No need for CVs there I'd say. Stay in the dark unless he moves something worth hitting.

By the way, just getting caught up here. Great work in the So Pac CV battle. You didn't wound him critically, but enough for a several month respite I'd say. Just make sure to put extra cover on the areas where he could potentially move under LBA now. OZ to S New Guinea and the DEI closest to NW OZ. It'll still be a tense period, but you've earned a break on the big invasion and some time to fortify further.

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/31/2012 1:04:19 AM   
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I'd say keep it together. The less he knows the better.

Use a fast transport and get the engineers in quick to Christmas IO, or just fly some in that don't have vehicles. No need for CVs there I'd say. Stay in the dark unless he moves something worth hitting.

By the way, just getting caught up here. Great work in the So Pac CV battle. You didn't wound him critically, but enough for a several month respite I'd say. Just make sure to put extra cover on the areas where he could potentially move under LBA now. OZ to S New Guinea and the DEI closest to NW OZ. It'll still be a tense period, but you've earned a break on the big invasion and some time to fortify further.



Erik! It's a pleasure to hear from you! Hope everything's fine in oz!!!

That idea of fast transport is already working. Today we delivered some 8cm guns at Christmas and they were enough to keep the 4Es from hitting a damn thing! AA can really save your butt now with DBB!!

Yes, i'm rushing to fortify the southern DEI! Now 3 regiments of the 20th Division are being moved to Kei-Langen, Dobo and Taberfane. Another Mixed Bde is arriving at Boela and more planes are gathering there.

We're also sending some engineers to western Sumatra, in order to start get some forts up.
Supplies are fuel are arriving from Tokyo but his subs are infesting those waters from Menado to Timor and it's pretty hard to avoid them.
Enemy subs appeared also near Shangai, forcing me to devote even more efforts to my ASW assets.

Finally bought the crack 8th Division who will go to the Mariannas divided into 3 different regiments.

The big news of the last two days (20, 21 Feb 1943) is that Chengtu is finally falling.We got the first 2-1...the enemy is completely out of supplies and i truly hope that in one week from now we'll be able to get the city.
This means i'll be able to start shipping out 3 divisions and 8 artillery units, along with 5 Tank regiments (the units already belonging to the Southern Command HQ) by the end of March (the time needed to get to Shangai or Canton). This is really a big news!

Ground combat at Chengtu (75,41)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 121028 troops, 1323 guns, 1476 vehicles, Assault Value = 3829

Defending force 68135 troops, 262 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1427

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 4223

Allied adjusted defense: 1529

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4741 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 414 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 34 disabled
Guns lost 53 (1 destroyed, 52 disabled)
Vehicles lost 89 (3 destroyed, 86 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
6647 casualties reported
Squads: 55 destroyed, 300 disabled
Non Combat: 49 destroyed, 298 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 24 disabled
Guns lost 48 (10 destroyed, 38 disabled)
Units destroyed 3

Assaulting units:
2nd Tank Regiment
34th Division
15th Division
27th Division
15th Tank Regiment
104th Division
1st Tank Division
13th Division
70th Division
39th Division
3rd Tank Regiment
35th Division
4th Tank Regiment
2nd Tank Division
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
21st Mortar Battalion
1st Mortar Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
23rd Army
Mongol Garrison Army
1st Army
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
57th Chinese Corps
24th Chinese Corps
19th Chinese Corps
98th Chinese Corps
12th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
7th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
69th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
3rd New Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
Red Chinese Army
Jingcha War Area
24th Group Army
3rd Construction Regiment
29th Group Army
26th Group Army
2nd Group Army
5th War Area
1st War Area
56th AT Gun Regiment
22nd Artillery Regiment
3rd Group Army
12th Group Army
76th Chinese Corps
7th Group Army
2nd War Area
3rd Chinese Base Force
4th Chinese Base Force
9th Chinese Base Force


In China the only sensitive resistance is in the west, were my efforts to advance towards Kunming have failed. The stacking limits is killing me there and the enemy doesn't have any supply problem thanks to the air bridge from Ledo.
Till now i had to divide my air efforts between Chungking, Chengtu and Kunming...but once Chengtu will fall, everything will change!

Sorong is getting lots of Engineers and Biak is now at lvl 7 AF.

Erik, yes, i'm trying to defend NG and southern DEI as much as i can but the perimeter is HUGE and i wanna have a very balanced defence...those divisions from China will be of immense importance!!!

Considering how the battle for Chengtu is developing i'm even considering the idea of attacking Chungking....mmmmmmm...mumble mumble




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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/31/2012 8:30:11 AM   
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BBs are spotted having passed through the Torret Straits! My defences are not yet completed. I still need to move the 20th Division on the right flank (see map). However any "easy" landing is already out of Brad's possibilities. We have garrisoned the most obvious targets and any landing will need a full and complete CAP cover in order to defend against my LBa bombers. LRCAP alone won't be up to the task i think.
His subs are really infesting the whole area now and, with working torpedoes, it's getting more and more difficult to avoid them. PTs are also patrolling the waters around Babar and Saumlaki.

At Christmas I.O. 2 AA units have been succesfully delivered and his Liberators are finding new difficulties in their daily bombing tasks. Now i just need some more Eng there...they're coming!

Yet the enemy doesn't seem to be moving for Tabiutea (CENTPAC), which is plain strange. Why shouldn't he advance here where he can do it easily????

I don't like the quiet in my northwestern perimeter. The Adamans and NW Sumatra have been too quiet...not a single recon mission...ever! Wanna reinforce this area asap: it's pointless to hold Burma and leave an open door in the Adamans. Wanna have at least 300 AVs in my 3 major bases there.

In Japan the 450k tons of oil convoy is finally unloading. 300k fuel have been already unloading. However the Shangaii oil pumping process isn't working as it should.... only 4k oil every 2 days flow to Shangaii...too little to be working as a "pumping port"...

With the Mariannas finally being garrisoned i'm already thinking about Luzon and Mindanao... should i start garrisoning and building? tough decision cause i simply don't have enough engineers to be sent there... but i know how much time it takes to build a complex of fortifications and the later i start the weaker i'll be when the day will come....

Overall, however, i cannot but be happy about my situation compared to RL history. We're already at march 43 and the Empire is stronger than in RL.
Holding Burma has been, so far, really decisive. Burma can be a PITA for Japan and the forward defence we've adopted really prooved the best strategy in a stacking limits map




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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/31/2012 3:16:55 PM   
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SOUTHERN DEI

The enemy is getting more and more confident, sending combat TFs all over to our waters.

Today the usual PT TF prevented to my APDs to deliver their supplies to Babar, then, always at night, a CA TF engaged another Fast Transport TF composed of old DDs near Babo. The battle was lost, with 1 DD sunk and 2 more damaged...
When the day came, one more enemy TF was spotted 5 hexes south of Taberfane. This time luck was with us and out Vals from Babo flew and hit hard in two different strikes (one in the morning and one in the afternoon). We probably sunk 3 old CLs losing only 5 Vals... not Bad!!!
We're getting ready to meet his navy here... we're organizing a HUGE operation to deliver the 20th Division.. with 2 different feints and several BB-CAs involved... i'm also sending 4 CVLs and 2 CVEs to provide close support, along with 150 Netties and 100 Zeros. 23 subs are getting ready too!



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Night Time Surface Combat, near Babar at 76,117, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
APD Aoi
APD Fuji
APD Tade

Allied Ships
PT-127
PT-187
PT-189
PT-219
PT-224
PT-295
PT-296
PT-297
PT-300


Japanese Fast Transport TF evades combat


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Dobo at 83,116, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Kiyonami, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Shirayuki
DD Uranami
DD Mutsuki, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hatakaze

Allied Ships
CA Houston, Shell hits 2
CA Minneapolis, Shell hits 3
CA Devonshire, Shell hits 3
DD Frazier
DD Sims, Shell hits 1
DD Mahan
DD Drayton
DD Case
DD Conyngham, Shell hits 1
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 83,120

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 57 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 26
D3A1 Val x 63

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 7 damaged
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Radford, Bomb hits 2
CL Concord, Bomb hits 1
DD Chevalier
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CL Sumatra, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Nicholas


Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Detroit


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 83,120

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 25
D3A1 Val x 56

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-1 Seagull: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Sumatra, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CL Concord, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 7, and is sunk
DD Chevalier
DD DeHaven

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Concord
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Detroit
Magazine explodes on CL Detroit



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Ground combat at Chengtu (75,41)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3538 troops, 286 guns, 190 vehicles, Assault Value = 3424

Defending force 61004 troops, 235 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 940

Allied ground losses:
151 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
34th Division
13th Division
15th Division
35th Division
39th Division
3rd Tank Regiment
104th Division
15th Tank Regiment
1st Tank Division
2nd Tank Regiment
27th Division
70th Division
4th Tank Regiment
2nd Tank Division
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Army
23rd Army
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Mongol Garrison Army
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
21st Mortar Battalion
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
92nd Chinese Corps
98th Chinese Corps
19th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
69th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
57th Chinese Corps
7th Chinese Corps
24th Chinese Corps
12th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
3rd New Chinese Corps
1st War Area
2nd Group Army
76th Chinese Corps
Red Chinese Army
3rd Chinese Base Force
2nd War Area
12th Group Army
38th Chinese Corps
Jingcha War Area
5th War Area
3rd Group Army
4th Chinese Base Force
56th AT Gun Regiment
7th Group Army
29th Group Army
22nd Artillery Regiment
9th Chinese Base Force


...only few more days!!!!




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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/31/2012 5:58:24 PM   
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Greyjoy,

You might want to have a conversation with Qball about this but I see a real major issues coming up for the Allies in China. The issue is the new stacking limits combined with the old stock solution of rebuilding all killed Chinese units and plopping them down in Chungking. In stock this was not a bad thing but if you surround Chungking and then allow defeated Chinese units to resurrect there, with the stacking limit it might actually work against Qball and cause him to lose Chungking very fast as an over stacked Chungking will actually eat up supplies as such a rate that his situation there will become desperate.

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/31/2012 6:12:35 PM   
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A valid concern, but I think it won't matter. If Chungking is surrounded, then only supply generated in Chungking will get there (I doubt that any air drops will make it in). Even without re-spawned units, Chungking will already be greatly over stacked. If it is not greatly over stacked, then the IJA will be able to take it without too much fuss. Air attacks on Chungking will be bigger and bigger as the number of other targets available diminish, resulting in more and more supply hits. I don't think any reasonable defensive force in Chungking in that situation would have any supply anyway after 1) the significant over stacking required to defend the place, 2) the aerial bombardment eating up supply, and 3) the supply blockade. It might just be that more and more units getting packed in via re-spawn is the only hope Chungking has of holding!

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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/31/2012 7:03:45 PM   
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Yes, i agree. I've already asked Brad. However i don't see which could be a viable solution. Declare Chungking "free city"? What should we do?




Feb 25, 43

Chengtu falls!!!! YES!!!! YES!!!! The Chinese campaign is over! All my goals have been achieved (except unifying China with Burma) and now we can move out all those precious experienced divisions (granted we can get enough PPs)!! Yes!!!!

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Ground combat at Chengtu (75,41)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 118143 troops, 1322 guns, 1463 vehicles, Assault Value = 3495

Defending force 60250 troops, 232 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 913

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 5382

Allied adjusted defense: 839

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Chengtu !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3105 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 353 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 29 disabled
Vehicles lost 51 (3 destroyed, 48 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
82542 casualties reported
Squads: 2078 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3937 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 79 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 320 (320 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 29

Assaulting units:
15th Division
3rd Tank Regiment
34th Division
4th Tank Regiment
39th Division
2nd Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
13th Division
27th Division
70th Division
104th Division
35th Division
1st Tank Division
2nd Tank Division
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
23rd Army
Mongol Garrison Army
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
21st Mortar Battalion
1st Army
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
69th Chinese Corps
7th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
24th Chinese Corps
19th Chinese Corps
98th Chinese Corps
57th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
12th Chinese Corps
3rd New Chinese Corps
56th AT Gun Regiment
38th Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Base Force
Red Chinese Army
2nd War Area
5th War Area
76th Chinese Corps
2nd Group Army
12th Group Army
Jingcha War Area
1st War Area
3rd Chinese Base Force
3rd Group Army
22nd Artillery Regiment
29th Group Army
7th Group Army
9th Chinese Base Force



Nothing much else is happening. The operation for Southern DEI has begun.... we'll see fireworks, i'm pretty sure about it


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RE: Avoiding traps - 12/31/2012 9:26:17 PM   
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Banzai!

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RE: Avoiding traps - 1/1/2013 3:48:47 PM   
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Enemy BBs spotted at Darwin... along with CAs and several more DDs... Brad is getting ready to move. At Bathrust Is there are more than 130 fighters and Darwin is packed with every kind of bomber.
The operation (code name "Running Horse") is taking shape. The only problem is that he does see all my movements, so he will know i'm reinforcing the islands. The waters south of Ambon are full os subs and my air ASW isn't enough to force them to move out... my ships will be easy targets and he will be able to LRCAP all his SCTFs... will be bloody.

To solve the Chungking problem i've proposed to Brad to make a political assumption: Chang Kai Shek's governament, having realized that the center of China is lost with no hope of relieve, has offered to the japs an armistice with these terms: Chungking is declared "Free City" and will be formed a "new state" in Central China. Chungking will be left free of jap units and it won't support any offensive action throughout the war (or untill the allies manage to liberate Central China).

The west of China (everything west of Kunming and all the units present at the moment beyond that line) will not accept this offer and will keep on fighting beside the allies.

What do you think?

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RE: Avoiding traps - 1/1/2013 6:06:41 PM   
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Ok, Feb 27 1943

The Chinese are trying to fight their way out of Chungking pocket. On the lower side of the perimeter they managed to dislodge (and destroy) a mongol division which was holding that part of the perimeter (north of the road between Chikkiang and Kweiyang). My divisions are already marching south from Chengtu and i'm pretty confident they aren't going nowhere. We will probably be able to smash them back as soon as they cross the river.

In the southern DEI the first "feint" of operation "Running Horse" is taking place, while the enemy is fully aware of our presence... let's see if i can lay a decent trap.

Seems we're having a synch bug cause Brad just saw his bombers attacking my ships at Vaninoro...and this thing never really happened! However he now knows i have ships unloading there without air cover . Strange because we didn't upgrade recently and i don't understand why the synch bug striked in now

The third N1K1 Sentai is operative at Rabaul. We now have 36 Georges at Rangoon, 27 at Palembang and 36 at Rabaul. Not bad.

4 CLs and 12 DDs started their upgrades today at Yokohama. Tahio CV will be online in one week and will, along with 4 modern CLs and 12 modern DDs, join the KB in the pacific.

The enemy CVs are identified near Pago Pago... this is a great news cause it means we're in time with our sub trap....our subs are getting close to Palmyra in these days....

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RE: Avoiding traps - 1/1/2013 6:30:00 PM   
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CV Unryo and Amagi will be online by April 1943. Cv Katsuragi by the 6th of July 1943.
This means that, by the end of July, if i don't lose any CV in the next 5 months, i'll be able to face the allies with a KB composed of 12 CVs and 5 CVLs... not Bad!!!

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RE: Avoiding traps - 1/1/2013 6:40:49 PM   
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I decided to stop Shinano building long time ago. In this Mod, as in every scen 2 mod, she's a Tahio Class CV. Probably a mistake but now i think it's too late to get back. I won't build her. Instead i'll accellerate every possible DD i have in queu and rely on the 12 CVs above mentioned. Cannot efford any shipyard expansion( i didn't expand a single point of it) and i don't think one more flaptop will change the course of the war in 1944.
So all my focus for what concerns R&D and navy has been centered in 1943. This is the decisive year. if i can exchange some decent blow with the allies in 1943 i hope to be able to slow them down enough to get to 1946 (which is my real strategic long term goal). 1945 will be all about managing what i have saved... 1944 will be the year of savings... my idea is to stop, by that year, most of the navy and merch yards and to have 2,000,000 millions of HI accumulated

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RE: Avoiding traps - 1/2/2013 8:07:42 AM   
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Wow, "2,000,000 millions of HI." That's an epic amount!

Well done in China.

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