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RE: Extreme measures - 10/10/2012 12:19:34 PM   
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I think we'll have plenty of time to talk about bizzare things my dear Master


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RE: MR.TOJO - 10/10/2012 11:28:12 PM   
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And here's the general situation




OK, I must ask - for how many units have you turned ON replacements? Because you have used huge amount of manpower. Part of it could went into industry upgrades, but still it is more, than 3 per manpower center (over 60%).

It seems you have double aircraft, and vehicles production, as for this date, but supply used for this expansion do not add to that much - to create serious shortage.
How frequently do you overload hexes with soldiers? Maybe this is your main reason for burning supply?

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RE: MR.TOJO - 10/11/2012 12:18:26 AM   
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And here's the general situation




OK, I must ask - for how many units have you turned ON replacements? Because you have used huge amount of manpower. Part of it could went into industry upgrades, but still it is more, than 3 per manpower center (over 60%).

It seems you have double aircraft, and vehicles production, as for this date, but supply used for this expansion do not add to that much - to create serious shortage.
How frequently do you overload hexes with soldiers? Maybe this is your main reason for burning supply?



Thanks for your interest mate!

I have replacements ON for 3 big inf units. The 4th ID ( which had 70 squads sunk in a Maru during the landings at Darwin), and 2 infatry bdes that were severly mauled in the battles around Sian.
For the rest i am "only" upgrading all my base forces to the new generation radars....don't know how much supply that process sucks sincerly....

So nothing particularly big imho...however i'll go through the all process as soon as the game restarts...

Yes, i encreased a lot the a/c factories, but not extremely i think... 110 zeros, 88 oscars, 160 tojos...nothing more than ordinary afaik

Now i'd soon need to rebuild all those units lost at Addak.... Should i be doing it or not?

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RE: MR.TOJO - 10/11/2012 12:20:18 AM   
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Oh, and i never, EVER, overstack a single hex. Never. All my plans in china were all made and done respecting litterarly the stacking limits ( which is a great feature imho)

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RE: MR.TOJO - 10/11/2012 12:22:30 AM   
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Forgot to say i also recostructed a whole heavy mortar unit that was destroyed in a counterbattery encounter at Manila last month...

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RE: MR.TOJO - 10/11/2012 12:40:53 AM   
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recostructed


Pointing at an unusual boring typo due to the lack of action

Also counter battery are two words but pointing at that one would be really nitpicking


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RE: MR.TOJO - 10/11/2012 3:22:32 AM   
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In the industry managment screen there are two buttons aside of every HI (repair YES or NO)


Oh duh

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RE: MR.TOJO - 10/11/2012 11:38:46 AM   
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If you have filled out the TO&E for your tank divisions, I would decrease your Vehicle production by 60 to 100. I use 20k as my goal for the pool and you have that now.

Consider converting some of your fast TKs to AOs so you can have two fast Replenishment TFs. They only lose about 1000 in capacity.

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RE: MR.TOJO - 10/11/2012 4:26:20 PM   
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If you have filled out the TO&E for your tank divisions, I would decrease your Vehicle production by 60 to 100. I use 20k as my goal for the pool and you have that now.

Consider converting some of your fast TKs to AOs so you can have two fast Replenishment TFs. They only lose about 1000 in capacity.



Converting fast TKs into AOs? Is that worth? Isn't having more TKs more important for the economy of Japan?....mmm will think about it! Thanks Micheal!

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RE: MR.TOJO - 10/11/2012 4:27:27 PM   
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Hopefully Brad will solve his pc-problems tonight....so tomorrow we may be moving again...one week of halt is really too much to suffer

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/11/2012 9:11:43 PM   
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QBall still have problems to re-load our saves on its new computer... The war will be on hold untill we find how to solve this problem, however when it will begin again, it will be at a slower pace... Probably 1 turn/day cause Qball will be able to play only at home from now on...


I think we'll have plenty of time to talk about bizzare things my dear Master


Hmmmmm.... I stay away for a few days and things go straight to hell here.


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RE: Extreme measures - 10/11/2012 9:37:16 PM   
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If you have filled out the TO&E for your tank divisions, I would decrease your Vehicle production by 60 to 100. I use 20k as my goal for the pool and you have that now.

Consider converting some of your fast TKs to AOs so you can have two fast Replenishment TFs. They only lose about 1000 in capacity.



Converting fast TKs into AOs? Is that worth? Isn't having more TKs more important for the economy of Japan?....mmm will think about it! Thanks Micheal!


You can still use the AOs as TKs. Keep one Fast AO TF at Truk, as an example, and the other can still run fuel from Singapore to Japan, but can be used as AOs when needed in the western areas. Flexibility.

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/11/2012 9:42:33 PM   
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quote:

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If you have filled out the TO&E for your tank divisions, I would decrease your Vehicle production by 60 to 100. I use 20k as my goal for the pool and you have that now.

Consider converting some of your fast TKs to AOs so you can have two fast Replenishment TFs. They only lose about 1000 in capacity.



Converting fast TKs into AOs? Is that worth? Isn't having more TKs more important for the economy of Japan?....mmm will think about it! Thanks Micheal!


You can still use the AOs as TKs. Keep one Fast AO TF at Truk, as an example, and the other can still run fuel from Singapore to Japan, but can be used as AOs when needed in the western areas. Flexibility.


Interesting. I rarely use AOs after the first 6 months in their intended role. Now they just move oil and fuel around.

Usually if I'm moving CVs and using them a lot I'll try to stock the nearby bases. I may be conservative, but I think once the Allies get their subs going, and especially after 1/43 when torps wok better, I don't want these ships near combat zones where there is a concentration of subs. Especially since GJ might be thinking more of a defensive game from now on I would leave them as TKs.

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/11/2012 11:17:30 PM   
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I use CVE Taiyo and another CVE as ASW platforms. The Zeros for extra CAP over AOs and the TBs train up in ASW skill. Just a possible option to consider like the conversion of TKs to AOs.

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/12/2012 12:23:17 AM   
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Probably 3-4 more fast AOs won't hurt. I'll do it asap! Fuel is flowing smoothly finally....and the xAKs can do the main job anyway.

About using CVEs as asw platforms.... I was thinking about that, but not for the AOs or the fuel convoys, but for the KB.... For the moment my CVEs are embedded with the KB, providing extra zero CAP.... But Brad's use of subs is awesome and i've been very scared about what happened to herbiesan recently (4 CVs hit by subs in a single sortie!!!! ) .... Dn't know what to do properly....but, for the time being, i'm training like mad 80 navy pilots in ASW role....hopefully sooner than later i'll be able to place some elite ASW pilots on CVEs...

....now, waiting for qball to fix is problem, i've seen another weak spot in my perimeter: ramree island, in Burma....have to garrison it ASAP


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RE: Extreme measures - 10/13/2012 9:37:46 AM   
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Till 7th june 1942

The whole theatre is quiet.
The operation against Portland Roads has been cancelled and now the KB is lingering at Rabaul, reorganizing its air groups.
We're moving Base forces and garrisons to Timor, in order to build a fortress there.
Tomorrow we should river cross at Balikapan from Samarinda with a whole Army...just to be sure (2 divisions, 2 arty units, 1 indipendent regiment).

In Burma we tried some sweeps with Tojos in Assam, but he refuses the fight...smart boy!

In China the plan is taking shape. We rivercrossed as planned at Chikkiang and in the hex east of it, in order to estabilish two strong bridgeheads. Losses were high and we recieved a 1-2 and an 1-3, but, a part from a regiment that has been wiped out, my divisions are in a decent shape and, above all, now with more than 1200 AVs behind the river i can easily rotate fresh units in without shock-attacking. Soon we'll start to deliberate attack.

In the North we've attacked Sinining, achieving a 1-1...a couple of days of rest and then we'll attack again.

We're also marching towards Tienshui...will be another bloody mess, but there's no other way. We need bridgeheads beyond the river there...

Zuikaku and Shokaku are almost ready...4 more days and they'll be ready to sail to Truk with their brand new Radars

Enemy's subs are everywhere but, lately, we have managed to avoid their attacks implementing a decent air cover on most of my routes.

Manila should be attacked within 2 weeks. The 48th division is unloading at San Fernando along with 5 more artillery units.

Port Hedland (NW Oz) will be invaded soon with 2 SNLF units supported by a strong SCTF.

Pretty boring turns...

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/13/2012 9:51:01 AM   
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Probably 3-4 more fast AOs won't hurt. I'll do it asap! Fuel is flowing smoothly finally....and the xAKs can do the main job anyway.

About using CVEs as asw platforms.... I was thinking about that, but not for the AOs or the fuel convoys, but for the KB.... For the moment my CVEs are embedded with the KB, providing extra zero CAP.... But Brad's use of subs is awesome and i've been very scared about what happened to herbiesan recently (4 CVs hit by subs in a single sortie!!!! ) .... Dn't know what to do properly....but, for the time being, i'm training like mad 80 navy pilots in ASW role....hopefully sooner than later i'll be able to place some elite ASW pilots on CVEs...

....now, waiting for qball to fix is problem, i've seen another weak spot in my perimeter: ramree island, in Burma....have to garrison it ASAP




I've been using a lot of xAKs for hauling fuel. The only issue with that is they are not as efficient. It's usually a returning supply/troop convoy for me so it would be heading back to the HI anyway, why not load it up, right?

Ramree could be a thorn. I put a solid garrison and a huge engineer unit (with a few combat engineers) there to make sure it would be taken only with some effort.

If you want a lot of good IJAAF groups for ASW, just dedicate them now and put mostly replacement pilots in, start them on ASW. When they get to 40/60 exp/skill, which won't take long, then put them on 40/40/20 ASW/train/rest and leave them. They'll train up the rest. After they get to 70 ASW I switch the main mission to low naval and keep them on the same settings, and they will train low naval as they do ASW. Takes a while, but then at least they are spotting subs while training. With low naval skill you're also training kami pilots, and if you ever want to switch them to search, they will be more likely to hit something as well.

Jocke's subs are killing stuff every day now, and it doesn't loo to stop, but at least some of them are being attacked by air as well. I get hit messages, but no idea how many are real. Jocke? Maybe you can let us know?

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/13/2012 10:16:38 AM   
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Jocke's subs are killing stuff every day now, and it doesn't loo to stop, but at least some of them are being attacked by air as well. I get hit messages, but no idea how many are real. Jocke? Maybe you can let us know?


No?

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/13/2012 4:14:52 PM   
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but no idea how many are real

Most are not real. I have been hitting I171 near PH for two months now, sometimes two hits a day and my opponent just laughs, until he started getting the same message. Lots of anchovies are dying!

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/14/2012 9:48:02 PM   
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Well, in China we got another bloody nose near Tsensui... 1-4 and more than 5000 casualities! :-( but it was expected. Now we'll be rotating my units...will be slow.
Also 60k men, divided in two armies of 30,000 men, are crossing the river directing towards Tsensui which is now, thanks to the sacrifice of the other expedition, isolated from any supply source (at least those coming by road).

Sining is about to fall...but it's taking me far too much time!

Balikapan has fallen on the 7th...INTACT! ...now finally we'll start the process of sucking all the oil collected there in the last 8 months of war!

Port Hedland is about to be invaded. A strong Cruiser force is in support.

Finally our glens-equipped subs did something...they spotted the first enemy convoy after several long months of blidness! West of Palmyra...APs... we're sending the KB to investigate...no CVs are spotted yet...more subs are enroute.
Is he really invading Tabiutea? He has been reconning it for months now... it's a juicy and empty target... Makin has an air HQ...and the KB is close...if he's really going there i cannot complain!
The only thing i'm concern about is that i'm short of 2 big CVs (one day left for Zuikaku at Tokyo...)...

Everywhere else is very quiet...

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/14/2012 10:39:58 PM   
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July 12... Port Hedland is invaded with no problems so far by 2 SNLF units. The base is almost empty...

The enemy convoy is approaching Canton Is... The KB is spotted as it left Rabaul...damn!
However i don't think he will go all the way to Tabiutea now that he has been spotted also by my Mavis from Tarawa... Sending 4 more subs from Rabaul to the area.

Still no sign of enemy's CVs....i don't believe he'd invade Tabiutea without the CV support... is he just trying to attract my attention and so drive the KB somewhere else? .... mmmm.... My CVs will be positioned at Ponape for the moment...i don't wanna leave the NG completely unguarded...

Zuikaku and Shokaku are finally ready. They are sailing towards the Mariannas....

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/14/2012 11:28:18 PM   
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Ser Greyjoy, I once heard a story.  It went something like this.  The Shokaku and Zuikaku had been detached from KB and were refitting in Home waters.  The shothanded KB nonetheless sortied into the Pacific to take some far away, isolated island or another.  The KB and friends were surprised by an inferior Allied CV force.  The KB was destroyed for 1 American CV that would have survived but for an unlucky encounter with a Japanese sub.

Oh wait one.....that really happened.  The isolated island was some outpost named Midway Is. 

Moral:  Be careful about committing your mighty sword to some isolated place that means little, if anything.  You may find it irrevocably shattered ....for naught.

One man's view.....unless you sight the American CVs and wish to engage them 4 on 4 or some such, then Tabiutea is not worth the fuel to get there. 

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/14/2012 11:39:32 PM   
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Ser Greyjoy, I once heard a story.  It went something like this.  The Shokaku and Zuikaku had been detached from KB and were refitting in Home waters.  The shothanded KB nonetheless sortied into the Pacific to take some far away, isolated island or another.  The KB and friends were surprised by an inferior Allied CV force.  The KB was destroyed for 1 American CV that would have survived but for an unlucky encounter with a Japanese sub.

Oh wait one.....that really happened.  The isolated island was some outpost named Midway Is. 

Moral:  Be careful about committing your mighty sword to some isolated place that means little, if anything.  You may find it irrevocably shattered ....for naught.

One man's view.....unless you sight the American CVs and wish to engage them 4 on 4 or some such, then Tabiutea is not worth the fuel to get there. 



Very true my friend... I'll be very cautious and i will engage only with favourable odds. All my available Mavis and Emilies are moving into the Marshalls/Gilberts. Wanna see things as clear as possible before committing. More Nells and Zeros are moving from the Mariannas and 10 subs are moving from Rabaul. The KB will remain between Ponape and Kusiae and wait for some better intel. In the meanwhile Ziukaku and Shokaku are steaming south....

Let's see... thanks for the wise words Master

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/16/2012 8:24:49 AM   
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Slow turns indeed. I haven't been updating a lot cause, while in game everything is proceeding slow and sleepy, in RL these are really FULL days

However, seems that the convoy we spotted near Canton Is. was just a decoy (or Brad has realized he has been spotted and moved it away), cause my Mavis, subs and G3M3 Nells didn't report anything more after that very first contact.
Don't wanna waste more fuel (already wasted nearly 50,000 tons of fuel only for the transition of the KB from Tokyo to the Mariannas->Rabaul!!!!) so the KB will be moved back to Truk where he cannot spot me. Nonetheless i'm keeping 3 Glenn Equipped subs in the area for the next week or so, while 2 more recon subs will be moved back again near Pago Pago/Suva

Recently he started to recon Rabaul from Portland Roads...i hate Brad's ability to always keep an aye on my activities... Portland Roads is a nail in my flank and i'm sure it will soon become a PITA.

I decided to re-organize the Air Force stationed at Rabaul (the air Army that will take care for the whole PAC theatre) and added 30 Nicks to the OOB...sooner than what i'd like i bet waves of 4Es will be ready to smash Rabaul...and i need to be ready!

Basically QBall's Air force is completely intact. He didn't give me any chance of attriting him in a favourable scenario, and, at the same time, i didn't have the cojones to really push any further than what he decided to leave to me... So, with lots of probabilities, We're gonna see a very strong allied counterattack as soon as his pools are going to be full of experienced pilots and decent machines...
In the meanwhile i'm doing my best to get ready. Troops are slowly flowing to garrison the key-places and the ASW air net is building up.
We're now assembling the convoys for the newly conquered oil pumps at Balikapan and we're almost ready to start reducing Manila.

In China he's doung a great job harrassing my supply lines with guerrilla forces (near Kweilling and Whochow) and his defensive positions around Chikkiang seem stronger than ever.
We are trying to isolate Tiensui in the north, but it's a long and bloody road to open that front...and my supply levels are, once again, too getting low in China...another 80k convoy is approaching Shangai, hopefully this will boost a bit my operations.


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RE: Extreme measures - 10/16/2012 9:32:55 AM   
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Here's the situation in northern China




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RE: Extreme measures - 10/16/2012 9:40:02 AM   
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RE: Extreme measures - 10/16/2012 9:49:43 AM   
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R&D

KI-44c advances up to 1/44 (target is 9/43)
A6M3a advances up to 11/42 (target is 10/42)
A6M5 advances up to 2/43 (target is 12/42)

Not a single George or Frank factory has been repaired yet and, overall, i think i invested too much in the George and Franks and too little in the zero line. Oh well... live and learn!
Now that i understood a little bit better the R&D system i think i should have devoted at least 8 R&D factories to Rufe, than once repaired, changed them to the A6M3a etc etc... It's pointless to have so many R&D factories devoted to George of Franks or other late/war frames so early in the game...their repair rate is too slow to really matter...

I'm really looking forward for the new version of Tracker where there will be the "estimate R&D arrival time"

Speaking about tracker... after we upgraded to the latest beta, Tracker stopped working.... I did everything i could (changing the .dll file etc) but nothing worked... so i think i'll have to reinstall it...thus losing all the data of these first 8 months

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/16/2012 2:16:06 PM   
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My take on the Zero as an Allied player: It not very good so I think not focusing on it is a good thing!

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/16/2012 2:55:07 PM   
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After A6M5 there is almost no point in R&D Zero line.
Of course You get armor but paying for that with speed and range.
In `44 there will be no difference if You are flying M5 or M8. Against modern allied fighters they are dying the same.

Frank and George is what You need asap and in numbers. And having few more R&D factories will allow You to move some to production and still keeping few to research late versions and have them earlier.

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As for tracker, for me it also end with losing database. But after tracker load from fresh install everything is working ok.

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RE: Extreme measures - 10/16/2012 5:18:45 PM   
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I know the zero line is a "dead" one, but at least, with the "rufe trick" you are able to move forward of many months the production of the A6M5, while for Franks and George the reapair rate is so slow that i doubt i'll be able to benefit of many months of advancing, even if i invested a lot in those 2 production lines.

Also, while the Frank is clearly a superior aircraft that can fight at fair terms with everything except the P-47 and the Corsair, the george is really slow (360 mph) and slower even than the P-40k... so even if it's a clear improvement from the Zero, it hasn't the qualities to deserve a so huge investment in terms of resources allocation.
So to say: it will for sure be helpful, but having it on the 3/43 or on 7/43 won't change things much imho...


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