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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/21/2013 3:30:03 AM   
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Something strange happened and neither me or brad are able to explain it: Kamikaze got activated He's still far away from HI, Saigon or Mariannas and, despite that, i managed to activate a sentai of Oscars...who were sent to action...sinking 1 PC and 1 xAP at Molu, losing 25 of them... was just an attempt in order to see if they were really active...and they are! How can it be possible?
I decided not to use them anymore for the moment (a part from that single 36 planes sentai)...doesn't seem right. The Kamis were a desperate weapon...and Japan is still far from being in a desperate situation.

Any ideas of how were they activated?


I recall that there has to be an Allied hex within 20 hexes of Saigon, Formosa, the HI or one other location (it's in the manual) after January 1, 1944. I think this hex has to have either a size 1 airfield or port (I think the latter). What do you have within this zone?

If it's clearly spelled out in the rules, then it's OK by me. You're kind to restrict your Kamikazes for now, but you certainly aren't morally obliged to hold back on your most powerful weapon because of some game SNAFU that didn't happen.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/25/2013 6:57:26 PM   
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Ok Guys, GreyJoy is finally back from his well deserved vacations... It's over

The game will now resume to a more decent pace and i will have more time to devote to this AAR.



Jan 27, 1943

The Allies are moving lots of stuff around Hollandia (where my garrison, despite having lost the base, is still pinning down the 2nd Marine Division...not bad!)
After the fall of Kaimana the allies have now several options: they can proceed North towards Sorong or the Mollucces, or they can move NW, bypassing Timor and aiming at Kendari... i'm doing all my best in order to be ready.
We've had a pretty intense air battle over Ambon on the 25th. 75 P-47s swept the skies of that base, obtaining an astonishing 50-2... but the Liberators that followed were'nt so lucky and we killed 26 of them. Not bad

I still think he may try something in the CENTPAC. Woleai was reconned and attacked by 4Es... Wake and Makin are both heavy reconned and several DDs are operating east of Wake...testing the waters...

We have created a decent reserve in the Mariannas, with 2 CAs and 15 DDs, along with 500 planes. Pagan, Saipan, Tinian and Guam they all have at least 500 AVs, with heavy arty, support units and 5 or 6 forts.Not bad

We've also re-created the Mini-KB. 5 CVEs are operating togheder with 70 Zeros and 60 D4Y4s. For the moment they are all stationing at Java, along with a decent SAG (1 BB, 3 CAs and 2 CLs + 10 DDs) so to be able to get to the Southern DEI or to Sumatra very fast if needed.

The KB is operating South of Babeldoap... to keep him honest in his advance towards Sarmi (North of Hollandia), while the build-up of my Mindanao defensive line continues.

Supply convoys are running everywhere in order to keep my units in force...but it's clearly becoming a problem...my Empire loses an average of 20k supplies every turn

Burma seems pretty quiet.. 3 new Bdes arrived at Bankok and are now securing the coast of Thailand.

I've also found out, probably, why the Kami got activated... i haven't conquered all the bases in the PI...so when 1944 rolled in, the Kami got activated cause there were allied bases close to Saigon...defently something that should be corrected.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/25/2013 7:17:53 PM   
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Erik, i didn't have to push Brad or to convince him in order to accept this HR. We even didn't have an HR about night bombing when we started...simply we both found it "borked" and none of us use night bombing even if we never talked or agreed about it. Few months ago, when 1943 we almost over, we talked about it and we decide not to ruin our game.
When me and Rader did attempt to test the night bombing in our previous game, we easily found it was too easy to wreck Japan...and we were talking about a Japan who was very advanced technologically speaking...Even with jet NFs Rader wasn't able not only to stop, but even to slow down the masses of 4Es that destroyed chirurgically all his factories at night... and so we decided to stop it.
I think even for the allies it's more fun to try to wreck japanese economy against an opponent who has the ability to try to stop/slow him....


I get this but even playing Japan I think there has to be a concession to allow some kind of night bombing of Manpower at some point. Maybe not factories, as the precision stuff is whacked, for sure. Manpower destruction is more egalitarian, so a lot of stuff is wiped out but nothing the player can control. This randomness and the slowness of the destruction compared to direct oil/HI/factory means that for me this is a good compromise. We haven't formally HRed this in my game with Jocke, but he seems also judicious about his use of night-bombing. He tries to get manpower when he can. My recent rant about Miri was due to not having any manpower there to hit and him attacking the oil directly.

To not allow any really goes too far toward the Japanese side I think where we can build so many fighters the Allied pools get ridiculously whittled, and if the industrial stuff can only be hit in daylight, it's nearly impossible. Also the later B-29 models really can't protect themselves in the daylight, so that is a problem.

We each have to figure out what works for us, but Jocke and Torsten in my games have been great at considering and reconsidering situations to get the best experience throughout the game. I don't want to limit their side either so they're too bitter when my guys sink a CV or turn back an invasion.

Maybe a limit on number of bomber per attack to help things can work also.



I understand what u mean Erik and i agree with the fact that the allies do not have to be nerfed by too many HRs. At the same time i didn't have to ask for this. Nor Brad. We simply think the same about night bombing. We haven't performed a night bombing mission since dec 7 1941 and this game has just been fine, for both of us. In 1942 Japan, for example, could easily use those superhuman early navy pilots to bomb, with 800kg bombs, the allied fleet in ports at night but i never tried it because i felt it was not kosher...just as Brad never tried to wreck my AFs in Burma at night when he wasn't able to do so during the day.
For strat bombing it's more or less the same. Far too precise. Far too easy to take out a Whole city in a single night... as you have just starting to experience in your game with Joc.
However i'll raise again the problem with Brad and see if he's still ok with it or if he thinks this HR is, somehow, unbalancing the game


Ark and I simply limited it to one unit per theater per turn. This left the novelty in and created some use for the scads of night fighters I have but did not let it get out of hand. There is a valid argument to allow the Allies more flexibility in 1945 but to be truthful, even in a scen 2 sort of situation I do not think the Allies need night strategic bombing to win the game-or to enjoy it for that matter.

I would think it would be simple to nerf both the accuracy of night bombing and raise the op losses and missed missions as well in a future patch but really do not know the limitations on the game and will leave that decision to the folks who do the hard work.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/26/2013 7:53:15 AM   
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Supply convoys are running everywhere in order to keep my units in force...but it's clearly becoming a problem...my Empire loses an average of 20k supplies every turn




To many. If You will lose supplies so fast You will be out of supplies in 4-5 months.
And after that only darkness.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/26/2013 8:16:03 AM   
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Supply convoys are running everywhere in order to keep my units in force...but it's clearly becoming a problem...my Empire loses an average of 20k supplies every turn




To many. If You will lose supplies so fast You will be out of supplies in 4-5 months.
And after that only darkness.



I think it all depends on the refineries not producing supplies. I produce 26k supplies every turn and there is no way I can do better.
I may stop building forts in the HI... but am not so sure that would change much the overall situation. However i'll try to save a bit more... we'll see

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Wake? - 8/26/2013 8:23:25 AM   
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Ok, our predictions were correct: Several enemy TFs (including CVs) popped up 10 hexes east of Wake Island. They are coming...

We've just had the time to resupply Wake (thanks God), which now have 30K supplies and a decent combat garrison... let's see.
The KB is fighting against subs south of Bab...we're pretty close. I may spring eastwards and try to catch them as they land... subs are gathering into position...

Brad is also testing our search capabilities west of Sumatra...

Several LSI(L)s arrived at Akyab... Are they finally coming for Ramree? Or Moulmein?

In the Southern DEI the USMC Paras conquered Misol (north of Boela), while 75 P-47s swept Sorong, losing 15 of them for 50 Japanese fighters... not good.

The J5M5 is online, along with the KI-43 IV
2 more days and the Grace will start its production


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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/26/2013 9:00:08 AM   
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Supply convoys are running everywhere in order to keep my units in force...but it's clearly becoming a problem...my Empire loses an average of 20k supplies every turn




To many. If You will lose supplies so fast You will be out of supplies in 4-5 months.
And after that only darkness.



I think it all depends on the refineries not producing supplies. I produce 26k supplies every turn and there is no way I can do better.
I may stop building forts in the HI... but am not so sure that would change much the overall situation. However i'll try to save a bit more... we'll see


There is many places when You can save supplies.

1.Check if Your air units using drop tanks. Single fighter units can use ~50 supplies daily flying CAP or training, with drop tanks it is doubled.

If You have 20 air groups You can save 1000 supplies daily or more.

2. Need to confirm that but probably units in rest mode using less supplies. So check Manchuria units what mode they are.

3. Supply spoilage. Check if You not overstocking supplies is small bases that not need them. You will awoid spoilage

It is not much but it is better than nothing






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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/26/2013 10:33:11 AM   
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Supply convoys are running everywhere in order to keep my units in force...but it's clearly becoming a problem...my Empire loses an average of 20k supplies every turn




To many. If You will lose supplies so fast You will be out of supplies in 4-5 months.
And after that only darkness.



I think it all depends on the refineries not producing supplies. I produce 26k supplies every turn and there is no way I can do better.
I may stop building forts in the HI... but am not so sure that would change much the overall situation. However i'll try to save a bit more... we'll see


There is many places when You can save supplies.

1.Check if Your air units using drop tanks. Single fighter units can use ~50 supplies daily flying CAP or training, with drop tanks it is doubled.

If You have 20 air groups You can save 1000 supplies daily or more.

2. Need to confirm that but probably units in rest mode using less supplies. So check Manchuria units what mode they are.

3. Supply spoilage. Check if You not overstocking supplies is small bases that not need them. You will awoid spoilage

It is not much but it is better than nothing








The drop tanks suggestion is really a good one Koniu! Never thought of that! Thank you

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/26/2013 10:34:44 AM   
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KI-48b: 140


Ki-48b bombers. I hope You misspell and actual You building Ki-49IIB

Ki-48 sucks with those 100kg bombs



Sure, I meant the Ki 49IIB! :-)

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/26/2013 10:37:55 AM   
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Something strange happened and neither me or brad are able to explain it: Kamikaze got activated He's still far away from HI, Saigon or Mariannas and, despite that, i managed to activate a sentai of Oscars...who were sent to action...sinking 1 PC and 1 xAP at Molu, losing 25 of them... was just an attempt in order to see if they were really active...and they are! How can it be possible?
I decided not to use them anymore for the moment (a part from that single 36 planes sentai)...doesn't seem right. The Kamis were a desperate weapon...and Japan is still far from being in a desperate situation.

Any ideas of how were they activated?


I recall that there has to be an Allied hex within 20 hexes of Saigon, Formosa, the HI or one other location (it's in the manual) after January 1, 1944. I think this hex has to have either a size 1 airfield or port (I think the latter). What do you have within this zone?

If it's clearly spelled out in the rules, then it's OK by me. You're kind to restrict your Kamikazes for now, but you certainly aren't morally obliged to hold back on your most powerful weapon because of some game SNAFU that didn't happen.



Kamis are a waste of HIs at the moment CB. I still have a decent pool of good pilots and not enough Sentais to spare. The fewer planes I lose, the better.

Take the Oscars for example. Even if outdated and outclassed, they still can be very usefull for escort missions or, at worst, for LowNav attack missions against un-capped targets. Converting Sentais to Kami role (remember that once you convert you cannot go back) it will just weaken my overall air defence at the moment

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/26/2013 10:43:44 AM   
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So with the conquest of Misol, it's clear that the allies are trying to advance north in the southern DEI, bypassing Boela and Ambon. That suits me well, cause there will be a very narrow bottleneck between Sorong and Boela and I am pretty sure they won't be able to penetrate much further without covering their flanks. To clear his flanks he will need to lose a lot of time at Boela and Sorong...time that I will use to get my new defensive line stronger (Bab-Pelieu-TauElanden, Sargi, Menado etc...).

I'm also planning to use this time to rebuild some destroyed divisions at Mindanao and Luzon, so to start defending deep (gotta admit that my deep defences aren't that good at the moment).

Let's face the truth: the allies are really too strong now to be stopped. What I need to do is to slow them down as much as possible and make them pay an heavy price for every step of their advance towards the fatherland

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/26/2013 1:07:52 PM   
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I wonder if this mod needs to have a modification of the at start bases with Refineries for Japan. Those bases may need to have either additional Light Industry or have the base generate a specific number of supplies equal to what you would have gotten from the Refineries in a stock scenario. This fix would still have large Refineries like you have at Palembang not generating supplies at near 30k per month.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/26/2013 4:12:35 PM   
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I wonder if this mod needs to have a modification of the at start bases with Refineries for Japan. Those bases may need to have either additional Light Industry or have the base generate a specific number of supplies equal to what you would have gotten from the Refineries in a stock scenario. This fix would still have large Refineries like you have at Palembang not generating supplies at near 30k per month.


Without the DBB modification I always thought in my mind that the 10% supply rule derived from oil->fuel was an abstraction of local LI/airplane fuel vs. ship fuel very nicely done in stock.. this view of the abstraction certainly helps game play vs. a more literal interpretation and need for additional LI factories that would produce supplies given resources ... But I post expecting religious responses ...For example .. Certainly Palembang is not devoid of natural resources that local economies could not produce some supplies .. http://www.kadin-indonesia.or.id/en/doc/reg_info/reg_info_SouthSumatra.pdf So woth the stock rule refineries represent not only fractional distilleries but some LI to support the local economy ..[Yes I know the developers thought that 10% would go to airplane fuel ... but what abstractions work for game play?]

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/27/2013 11:48:52 AM   
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Micheal...I know and I completely agree. However we've already asked once Michealm to add the missing stocks of fuel and oil in this modified scenario and i'm not keen to ask Brad for another "aid".
Maybe this will simulate even better the economical difficulties Japan had in RL


Jan 29, 1944

East of Wake the allied TFs are massing at 14 hexes from the base...

The KB avoided the enemy's subs south of Bab and moved closer to Biak (more to avoid the subs than for tactical purposes).

Enemy's cruisers are getting close to Babar...probably a bombardment mission against Timor.

Menado is becoming a true fortress. We managed to extract - unopposed - an Air Army HQ at Boela, along with several engineer units...very usefull!

Enemy's CVEs and BBs still based at Hansa Bay...


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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/27/2013 5:28:00 PM   
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WAKE: The enemy gets closer... now the first enemy TF is at 9 hex east of Wake... ready for a bombardment run? Subs are arriving, while the KB is waiting for the oilers to arrive

EASTERN NG: The enemy's CVEs (at least 4) are advancing, escorting a big AP/LST convoy... an invasion of Sarmi? Now the TFs are just south east of Hollandia

SOUTHERN DEI: The enemy bombs Lautem and Alor with CAs and DDs. Unopposed...for the moment. At the same time we ambushed a raid of Liberators, escorted by Hellcats, over Hollandia, killing 20 Libs and 16 Hellcats...not bad! Brad is using barges to send engineers to Misol... i'll keep a deep aye on this island. Cannot let it be built

BURMA: seems that we've slowed the enemy with some fake movements of troops east of Akyab. This should have bought us time to reposition the 39th Division and 2 regiments of the 48th ID on our western flank. Heavy recon of Rangoon...I foresee a coming raid here...

GENERALLY i'm moving lots of reserves around. I'm not sure why Brad is taking so much time to move to Wake, despite my KB is still 4/5 days far from there... is that a simple bait?

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/27/2013 6:25:36 PM   
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I too wonder if Wake is just a feint. His real move could be in the Eastern DEI/N Guinea front (which are starting to merge) or even Sumatra. Probably the former.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/28/2013 8:07:59 AM   
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I too wonder if Wake is just a feint. His real move could be in the Eastern DEI/N Guinea front (which are starting to merge) or even Sumatra. Probably the former.



Wake isn't strategically that important at the present moment. Sure it will nice to keep it, so to have an eastern pillow between him and the Mariannas, but he already has Tabiutea and from there he could easily start a campaign in the Marshall/Gilberts in order to get to CENTPAC fast. At the same time Wake is probably the worst possible place to use my Combined Fleet. Even if it was a real invasion (something that I really doubt), I wouldn't risk my CVs there... deep waters, no LBA support, no nearby safe ports to get the damaged ships...nothing.
And what if I lost Wake? It wouldn't change much- From Wake he will still need to take Eniwetok (another atoll landing) to get a decent port before launching a direct operation against the Mariannas... which are, anyway, well protected by 4 full divisions and plenty of support units.
Also moving the KB eastwards now would mean to leave completely undefended the DEI...a thing that I cannot let to happen.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/29/2013 8:15:20 AM   
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Ok guys, things are getting hot.

WAKE: I think I can confirm that this is a bait, or, at least, a minor theatre for him.
I sent a sentai of Helens at Wake. Flying low, at 1000 ft. the Helens found one of the enemy's TF at 7 hexes east of Wake. No air cover, even if we had the confirmation that SDBs were present with this fleet. We spotted some LCIs, an AVD (!?!?!?) and 2 LSTs. One of those LSTs was hit by a bomb and... was empty! However I cannot believe that he wants to land on a defended atoll with LSTs and LCIs without any APA/AKA... so this is NOT his main vector. Those CVs we spotted few days ago must have been a couple of CVEs escorting... Nothing serious.

Eastern NG: The CVEs and the xAPs near Hollandia did not move... for 3 days in a row they remained there, 2 hexes SE of Hollandia... clearly another bait. We spotted 3 or 4 CVEs here in this area, while there are BBs and APAs at Hansa Bay. So this may be his main vector (with the CVs lingering a bit more south just out of my sight). I'm keeping my KB pretty close (Bab area) so to be able to get down there in a couple of days if needed.

SOUTHERN DEI: Swarms of PTs popped up at night north of Misol and Sorong... I counted at least 5 or 6 big PT TFs operating north of Gorong... these basterds can really ruin your day. Hate them so much. Brad keeps on using barges and cheap ships to advance. They do not worth the effort of sending against them anything serious...just a waste of fuel and ammos and the risk of getting sunk by a lucky PT hit... oh well. However the CVs aren't there and, as far as I can tell, only some CAs are operating in the Darwing area, for the rest just normal transports and lots of DDs.
Talking about the DDs... Brad sent at night 4 different DDTFs (a total of 23 DDs) to bomb Ambon at night... and they met a serious CD unit who managed to keep them at bay. My air units have already moved out (disbanding the damaged planes) after the succesfull ambush of yesterday against his Liberators.

Lots of "scouting" xAK TFs moving west of Sumatra... he's clearly testing my search capabilities...


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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/29/2013 5:03:04 PM   
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The KB reaches Menado and refuel (converting 2 more Sentais from D4Y3 to D4Y4).
The Grace began its production.

Near Wake, there's only a lone enemy CVE who sunk a transport TF north of Wake. Some cruisers and DDs but nothing else...a Feint!!!

More CVEs are popping up around my corners... NW of Exmouth, half way from Exmouth and Christmas I.O., another CVE sunk, with TBFs, 2 xAKs... yet another Feint I think!

The CVEs near Hollandia remain there...

No enemy CVs around.

Scouting allied TFs are spotted west of Sumatra and near Sebang.

P-47s Sweeps find nothing to fight with over the skies of Sorong. The Japanese air force is playing a cat&mouse game against the allied steamroller.

Brad is dedicating a particular attention to the Timor area... let's see....

In the meanwhile our inner perimeter is growing stronger...

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/29/2013 5:25:01 PM   
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Hit the "Z" button next turn to see if any of your Naval Search arcs have major gaps in them. Seems to me that Brad is probing for a weak spot.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/29/2013 5:34:52 PM   
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Hit the "Z" button next turn to see if any of your Naval Search arcs have major gaps in them. Seems to me that Brad is probing for a weak spot.



Sure, I always do. Spend many minutes every turn checking my search arcs. Brad is clearly looking for a gap...

From the Kuriles to the Bay of Bengal I think i'm covered pretty well. I'm using several IJN bomber sentais, quipped with G3M3s just for search duties, along with subs with glens and AVs with Norms...

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/29/2013 8:24:05 PM   
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I counted at least 5 or 6 big PT TFs operating north of Gorong... these basterds can really ruin your day. Hate them so much. Brad keeps on using barges and cheap ships to advance. They do not worth the effort of sending against them anything serious...


I could be way off, but this would seem to be where the Ki-45's could be used to great advantage. They've got enough firepower and bomb-load to work nicely against light ships.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/29/2013 10:07:29 PM   
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I counted at least 5 or 6 big PT TFs operating north of Gorong... these basterds can really ruin your day. Hate them so much. Brad keeps on using barges and cheap ships to advance. They do not worth the effort of sending against them anything serious...


I could be way off, but this would seem to be where the Ki-45's could be used to great advantage. They've got enough firepower and bomb-load to work nicely against light ships.



I know many people believe in the use of fighters against PTs. Unfortunately i don't

A Nick produced expends 36 HI points, not to count the cost of a trained LowNav pilot. Even if sent against not-CAPped PTs, you're gonna lose lots of them to flak and ops losses. When his PTs operate pretty close to his interconnected net of air bases, my Nicks are gonna find heavy air opposition.....

Is that Worth the price in terms of HI points? I don't think so... in 1944 he can produce hundreds of PTs for no cost at all...

No, i don't think so. Sadly...

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/29/2013 10:39:20 PM   
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I counted at least 5 or 6 big PT TFs operating north of Gorong... these basterds can really ruin your day. Hate them so much. Brad keeps on using barges and cheap ships to advance. They do not worth the effort of sending against them anything serious...


I could be way off, but this would seem to be where the Ki-45's could be used to great advantage. They've got enough firepower and bomb-load to work nicely against light ships.




I know many people believe in the use of fighters against PTs. Unfortunately i don't

A Nick produced expends 36 HI points, not to count the cost of a trained LowNav pilot. Even if sent against not-CAPped PTs, you're gonna lose lots of them to flak and ops losses. When his PTs operate pretty close to his interconnected net of air bases, my Nicks are gonna find heavy air opposition.....

Is that Worth the price in terms of HI points? I don't think so... in 1944 he can produce hundreds of PTs for no cost at all...

No, i don't think so. Sadly...

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/29/2013 10:48:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


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I counted at least 5 or 6 big PT TFs operating north of Gorong... these basterds can really ruin your day. Hate them so much. Brad keeps on using barges and cheap ships to advance. They do not worth the effort of sending against them anything serious...


I could be way off, but this would seem to be where the Ki-45's could be used to great advantage. They've got enough firepower and bomb-load to work nicely against light ships.




I know many people believe in the use of fighters against PTs. Unfortunately i don't

A Nick produced expends 36 HI points, not to count the cost of a trained LowNav pilot. Even if sent against not-CAPped PTs, you're gonna lose lots of them to flak and ops losses. When his PTs operate pretty close to his interconnected net of air bases, my Nicks are gonna find heavy air opposition.....

Is that Worth the price in terms of HI points? I don't think so... in 1944 he can produce hundreds of PTs for no cost at all...

No, i don't think so. Sadly...

A beautiful explanation of the application of Clausewitz use of measured force ...



Thanks! Too kind!

However i made some calculations... a Nick (2Es) costs: 36 HIs for the airframe and 36 for two engines... it's 72 HIs!!!! More than what produces the Singapore HI on a single turn!


Here's a screenshot showing the penetration of the allies in Southern DEI... as you can see, even if it's scary to see the allies getting to Gorong->Misol->Babo, the corridor is still very narrow... that's why he's using barges to move troops and supplies there... too risky! For sure he cannot move up there big warships untill Boela-Ambon and Biak-Sorong areas are neutralized. And they are pretty tough nuts to crack. I'd love to have him Landing in one of those... but i'm pretty sure i won't be that lucky....




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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/29/2013 10:53:40 PM   
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and this is the so-called "second perimeter". As you can see there's a kind of a Gothic line just Beyond the present front.
Menado is a lvl 9 AF, with an Air Army HQ.
Air HQs are also present at Kendari, Makassar, Balikapan, Babeldolap, Talaud-Einlanden and Davao.
If the KB remains intact... it won't be an easy grab




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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/30/2013 5:35:56 PM   
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On the second we sent a cruiser force to Boela. The plan was to intercept his barges moving to Misol and then retreating to Boela where I had moved 300 fighters to cover. We ended up missing completely the barges and tangled with PTs for no damage on either side.
However, when the sun rose, 56 Avengers and 20 Wildcats attacked my cruisers at Boela... finding 300 fighters to wait them. Not a single one got back alive

Near WAKE the enemy is finally retiring eastwards...a feint. nothing more than a feint.

In Eastern NG Brad finally landed on the 3rd at Sarmi the 33rd Division, finding the 15th Division waiting for them. The supply bridge has done wonders in the last months, along with some more supplies that seem to flow from Nabire. The units, despite being in red, still have enough supplies to fight. Hope to make another Saumlaki here (BTW at Saumlaki my units are still pinning down the 27th US Division). Let's see if I can make him pay...Biak is very close...

NW of Exmouth the enemy CVE retired...another feint.

My subs sunk 2 xAKs resupplying Cocos Is.

In Burma Brad started to use 4Es for ground attack on the plain terrain at Prome. 300 4Es attacked the 5th Division, disabling more than 40 squads...mmmm.... afaik this is against our HRs... but i'm not that sure if it's fair to raise the problem now in 1944... suggestions? In few days I may see that division destroyed even with 5 forts and plenty of AA units....mmmmmmmm

Tanaka and Muto are repositioning near Kendari after a short trip to Ambon.


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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/30/2013 6:58:01 PM   
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So... The "Sarmi" vector wasn't a feint...but yet wasn't something major. It was well foreseen...Brad has been waiting months before advancing there... and he just landed with 1 single division. Still no CVs. Just a couple of CVEs and 300 planes on LRCAP from Hollandia.
It was an obvious vector of advance. Woleai will be his next target in CENTPAC...pretty sure of that. He won't lose time and assets against Truk, Ponape or Kusiae... and now that we know, even against Wake.

The clock keeps on moving fast and Brad doesn't have much longer if he wants to start bombing the HI before mid 1945.
No, he needs an hail mary move. Sumatra remains my best bet. He stopped reconning it, after years of constant recon from Cocos... that must mean something.
My reserves are moving consequently.

But my main goal, right now, is to keep the balance of my defence. I must remain flexible.

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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/30/2013 8:08:29 PM   
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Tea leaves are your specialty! Keep on divining Nic!

About the 4Es if you do have an HR stating no 4E ground bombing you should at least point it out even if you want to just start a negotiation. It is tough in clear hexes, and wait until they retreat somewhere you don't want and are stuck with no forts in the clear. Then it's all over.


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RE: The Clash of Titans...another allied victory? - 8/31/2013 6:27:18 PM   
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Brad left for the weekend. So this is the last one till monday.

However some news to report.
The allies reinforced Sarmi, bringing a USMC Tank Bn and the II US Corp HQ. They, along with the 33rd US Division, are facing the 15th IJA division and the sturdy 17th Army HQ.
Now this was a "cheap" Landing operation for Brad. A couple of CVEs, some cruisers (Wichita being the strongest one) and a lot of DDs but very few APA/AKAs and a lot of barges... a kind of a frog leap. The air cover was provided by 300 fighters based at Hollandia.
Nothing major.

Now the question is: What is the importance of Sarmi? How much should i devote to keep Sarmi in Japanese hands? Can i efford to divert scarse men and assets to this place or not?

Once Sarmi falls, the door to Biak is open. Biak and the nearby islands have been covered, during the allied advance on the other side of NG, by NG itself, but with Sarmi the allies could easily send waves of DDs to harras my sealanes, thus isolating Biak for good.
At the same time he already has so many big base on the same parallel of Biak that i think that strategically doesn't change much.

Still i'd like to create a new Saumlaki or Hollandia here... even if i'd gain 2 months that would be decisive for my war effort....

Enemy CVEs keep on popping up near Exmouth. Still think the main vector will be towards Sumatra....I'm keeping the combined fleet near Ambon....just to be sure he doesn't try a coup the main somewhere in the Southern DEI while i look west.

Keeping my reserves well behind the lines.

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