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RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 - 9/10/2012 9:29:15 PM   
Seminole


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Bobo was very smart to kill off 1 or 2 divisions at a time each turn. This is a little gamey, but what it does is sucks up 75% + of the 30,000 replacements a turn. So the front line units get weaker and weaker even though it might be January parts of the front line are as weak as December. At some point 2by3 should fix this crap


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However, simply having the ground element equipment and manpower available doesn’t mean
they will get to the unit that requires replacements. The unit must pass several checks to
see that they actually get replacements, and how many they get. As a special case, it will
generally be harder for Axis units to receive replacements during the first winter (22.3). This
results in ground element equipment and manpower remaining in the pool even though there
are units that need them as replacements.


My understanding on replacement counters is that they come in empty.
I know that the Soviets get many empty shells (depleted), and these are not filled with replacements before the start of the player's turn.
Are the replacement German units not starting the turn empty?

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RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 - 9/10/2012 9:46:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Seminole
quote:

Bobo was very smart to kill off 1 or 2 divisions at a time each turn. This is a little gamey, but what it does is sucks up 75% + of the 30,000 replacements a turn. So the front line units get weaker and weaker even though it might be January parts of the front line are as weak as December. At some point 2by3 should fix this crap.


My understanding on replacement counters is that they come in empty.
I know that the Soviets get many empty shells (depleted), and these are not filled with replacements before the start of the player's turn.
Are the replacement German units not starting the turn empty?


I don't think it fair to complain about Axis suffering this loophole in winter if one uses tactics like keeping Soviet pockets sealed but alive until November 41, to prevent a cheap reappearance. Then that loophole should be fixed as well, the isolation timing should count. Almost the same as Lvov is now countered by squeezing the Finns against the map borders. These things are simple "exploits of game simplifications", altogether they might more or less even out each other.

Otherwise: same as with Axis replacement divisions. They might not technically preferred to fill up first as the devs confirmed, but I would assume that since most divisions in the front line suffer penalties (and usually are several hexes and many MPs off the rail lines, but easily within 5 hexes of the enemy), they take up less in first place. And the "unrequired" rest is probably left to fill the shells quicker then they would during the subsequent summer? Never tested that, though but it could be a side effect leading to this.

< Message edited by janh -- 9/10/2012 9:47:24 PM >

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RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 - 9/10/2012 11:22:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Seminole
My understanding on replacement counters is that they come in empty.
I know that the Soviets get many empty shells (depleted), and these are not filled with replacements before the start of the player's turn.
Are the replacement German units not starting the turn empty?


Re-built units arrive during the reinforcement phase, which is before the replacement phase, so re-built units arriving (and they arrive in Refit mode) will suck up a bunch of replacements (Refit = priority during the replacement phase).

Regularly scheduled reinforcements do NOT arrive in Refit mode ( = low replacement priority), and so scheduled reinforcements can arrive in low strength depleted state.

Some more info here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2984276

< Message edited by Schmart -- 9/10/2012 11:25:31 PM >

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RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 - 9/16/2012 2:56:02 PM   
Pelton


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Status: online 		Turn 36
German Arm PTs in pool= 28,000
German Manpower in pool= 200,000
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed After Oct 1941 = 68 Rifle + 2 tank Div / 5 brigades / 0 Corp
Total AP lost: 725
Russian losses this turn: 81,000 Total dead: 4,131,000
Russian OOB: 5,693,000
A net gain of: 19,000 men
Russian units currently in a pocket: 0
German losses this turn: 51,000 Total dead: 1,511,000
GHC OOB: 3,060,000
GHC net OOB change: 14,000

SHC Attacks
Retreats: 29
Helds: 4
Routes: 0
Scouts: 0

GHC Attacks:
Retreats:
Held: 0

Totals for Blizzard:
SHC total dead 916,000
GHC total dead 814,000

This turn SHC lost more men then they are adding to OOB. SHC is receiving about 92k replacements per turn.

Lines look paper then.

Just a quick up-date. Sorry about the lacking AAR, but we had a loss in our family and the last 2 weeks I have had little time to add to AAR's

1. Bobo had a average Blizzard as far as loses go, but GHC morale took a major beating.
2. Most of the spring so far has seen GHC recovering morale, but over-all it will be lower then I would like.
3. During the snow some advances were made and morale rebuilt.
4. GHC forses are getting into postion for clear turn attacks and formation of pockets.

It appears the AP crunch from the fall has had an effect on SHC as there appears to a allot less units then normal at the front and lines are paper thin. The front line CV is high, but nothing the right units can't breakthrough easly and form large pockets.

I expect Bobo will form the standard carpet defence so.

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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 124
Spring of 1942 - 9/21/2012 7:25:48 PM   
Pelton


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Status: online 		Turn 41 VP Total= 197

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 30
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 70
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 733
Russian losses this turn: Total dead: 4,492,000
Russian OOB: 5,769,000
A net gain of: 000,000 men
Russian units currently in a pocket:
GHC OOB: 3,180,000
GHC net OOB change:

AGN is in a good position for the rest of the war. GHC controls all the good terrain and has the option of launching offensive operations towards Moscow if the SHC lines are thinned out.

1 Panzer Corp and 1 Infantry Corp will he held in reserve to exploit any possible weaknesses in SHC lines over the next 12 months.

4 Finnish divisions will be left on the front lines for now and the rest will move over the morale lines to be ready to exploit if needed.

2 defensive lines are under construction.

This area is basicly locked down and no more screen shots will be forth coming unless an offensive operation is undertaken.




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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 125
RE: Spring of 1942 - 9/21/2012 7:33:16 PM   
Pelton


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Status: online 		AGC constisting of 2 PG's and strong infantry elements (I Corp and the rest of 18th army) are resting,refitting and preparing offensive operations during clear turns.

The main goals will be to get and AP/manpower crunch rolling asap. GHC would like to keep SHC OOB #s below 6 million.

Basicly AGC will try and pocket a handfull of units per turn then as lines thin out try and form larger pockets. As can be seen in the recon a 2nd defensive line is underconstruct able 100 miles to the east by SHC.

Objectives of AGC:

1. Pocket units.
2. Over run manpower centers
3. Moscow




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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 126
RE: Spring of 1942 - 9/21/2012 7:39:03 PM   
Pelton


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Status: online 		AGS constisting of 2 PG's and strong infantry elements (6th army) are resting,refitting and preparing offensive operations during clear turns.

AGS has 2 options

1. left hook and link up with AGC
2. right hook and drive to sea.


Objectives of AGS:

1. Pocket units.
2. Over run manpower centers
3. Donets and Don river areas.






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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 127
RE: Spring of 1942 - 9/21/2012 10:12:47 PM   
Pelton


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Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 42 VP Total= 197

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 32
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 70
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 733
Russian losses this turn: 21,000 Total dead: 4,513,000
Russian OOB: 5,813,000
A net gain of: 44,000 men
Russian units currently in a pocket:
GHC OOB: 3,187,000
GHC net OOB change: 7,000


Mud

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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 128
RE: Spring of 1942 - 9/22/2012 12:23:17 PM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 43 VP Total= 197

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 34
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 70
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 733
Russian losses this turn: 18,000 Total dead: 4,531,000
Russian OOB: 5,832,000
A net gain of: 57,000 men
Russian units currently in a pocket:
GHC OOB: 3,208,000
GHC net OOB change: 15,000

No real changes just mud.


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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 129
RE: Spring of 1942 - 9/23/2012 2:34:28 PM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 44 VP Total= 197

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 38
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 70
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 733
Russian losses this turn: 16,000 Total dead: 4,547,000
Russian OOB: 6,089,000
A net gain of: 257,000 ?
Russian units currently in a pocket:
GHC OOB: 3,218,000
GHC net OOB change: 10,000

No real changes just mud and not enough rail to get new units to front.


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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 130
RE: Spring of 1942 - 9/26/2012 1:43:25 AM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 45 VP Total= 197

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 40
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 70
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 733
Russian losses this turn: 16,000 Total dead: 4,580,000
Russian OOB: 6,245,000
A net gain of: 88,000
Russian units currently in a pocket:
GHC OOB: 3,230,000
GHC net OOB change: 2,000

No real changes just mud.


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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 131
RE: Spring of 1942 - 9/26/2012 11:48:54 PM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 46 VP Total= 197

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 40
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 70
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 733
Russian losses this turn: 17,000 Total dead: 4,564,000
Russian OOB: 6,166,000
A net gain of: 77,000
Russian units currently in a pocket:
GHC OOB: 3,228,000
GHC net OOB change: 10,000

No real changes just mud.


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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 132
RE: Spring of 1942 - 9/30/2012 12:15:37 AM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 47 VP Total= 197

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 56
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 70
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 733
Russian losses this turn: 74,000 Total dead: 4,636,000
Russian OOB: 6,234,000
A net gain of: 78,000
Russian units currently in a pocket: 42
GHC OOB: 3,293,000
GHC net OOB change: 65,000

The first clear turn AGC (18th army) and AGS ( 6th Army) breakthrough and PZ forces from 4th and 1st PG’s link up pocketing 42 units. Bobo’s use of reserves is impressive. I was forced to use a bunch a attacks around the breakthrough pt to suck up most of his possible reserve reactions. As GHC this tactic has to be used or you never get a breakthrough vs a skilled SHC that knows how to use reserve mode.

The pocket is as tight as I could get it. Several airbases have been moved inside and very strong infantry forces are in both bottle necks. The northern hook is 40 miles wide so that should not be an issue. The southern hook is only 10 miles wide in 1 hex, the rest of the pocket is 30 miles wide. I did not see any strong mech reserves in the area so unless there was something close I think it will hold. Even if it doesn't the fate of most of the units is sealed. A great start to the AP crunch. Just as important this operation flanks several of the possible river defense lines to NE,E and SE.

Allot of strong infantry and Panzers are at bottleneck to pocket possible SHC releaving forses.

Next clear turn should be interesting.

SHC lines seem paper thin, basic line of crap units in front(great for building morale) then a strong 2nd line. A 3rd line in some cases, but weak.





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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: Spring of 1942 - 9/30/2012 6:06:30 PM   
hfarrish

 

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Do you have a screenshot of what that section of the front looked like the turn before the strike?

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RE: Spring of 1942 - 9/30/2012 6:27:17 PM   
Pelton


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ORIGINAL: hfarrish


Do you have a screenshot of what that section of the front looked like the turn before the strike?


No sorry server based game.

Basicly 4 to 6 cv single units in front, 2 units in 2nd row with 10-15 cv defence or higher. Then a row of mech/cav units in reserve mode in 3rd row. Very good set-up as units can retreat without routing and allot of reserve activations.

Bobo also has large mech formations 8-10 hexes behind front. Basicly the standard defence tactic Flaviusx and many others think is best in 42.

the German counter is 2 large formations of high morale infantry and panzer units. The infantry in edges/center attack first soaking up the reserve activations. the the main infantry thrusts take out first and some of 2nd line. Panzers take out whats left of 2nd and 3rd. The rest of panzers breakthrough. Strong infantry and panzer units are in the bottle next to exploit the following turn or seal pocket.


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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: Spring of 1942 - 9/30/2012 6:36:49 PM   
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Gotcha - nice pocket in any case.

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RE: Spring of 1942 - 9/30/2012 11:22:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton


Basicly 4 to 6 cv single units in front, 2 units in 2nd row with 10-15 cv defence or higher. Then a row of mech/cav units in reserve mode in 3rd row. Very good set-up as units can retreat without routing and allot of reserve activations.

Bobo also has large mech formations 8-10 hexes behind front. Basicly the standard defence tactic Flaviusx and many others think is best in 42.

the German counter is 2 large formations of high morale infantry and panzer units. The infantry in edges/center attack first soaking up the reserve activations. the the main infantry thrusts take out first and some of 2nd line. Panzers take out whats left of 2nd and 3rd. The rest of panzers breakthrough. Strong infantry and panzer units are in the bottle next to exploit the following turn or seal pocket.



you can munch through everything in '42 against a good opponent you say does not make mistakes, and still proclaim this game is too pro-Russian?

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RE: Spring of 1942 - 10/1/2012 12:14:32 AM   
A game

 

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Status: offline 		Looking at the setup on turn 41 I think this was a pocket waiting to happen, maybe due to lack of experience playing into 42 but this looks like a common mistake of Soviet players coming out of a post Blizzard high. The Red army in early 42' is not strong enough to stand against the full might of the Axis. It seems to me the best strategy is a modified version of the 41' summer, fall back, force the Axis to push past their supply lines, find strong natural defensive barriers to hold the line.

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RE: Spring of 1942 - 10/1/2012 1:37:27 AM   
Pelton


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ORIGINAL: sillyflower


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton


Basicly 4 to 6 cv single units in front, 2 units in 2nd row with 10-15 cv defence or higher. Then a row of mech/cav units in reserve mode in 3rd row. Very good set-up as units can retreat without routing and allot of reserve activations.

Bobo also has large mech formations 8-10 hexes behind front. Basicly the standard defence tactic Flaviusx and many others think is best in 42.

the German counter is 2 large formations of high morale infantry and panzer units. The infantry in edges/center attack first soaking up the reserve activations. the the main infantry thrusts take out first and some of 2nd line. Panzers take out whats left of 2nd and 3rd. The rest of panzers breakthrough. Strong infantry and panzer units are in the bottle next to exploit the following turn or seal pocket.



you can munch through everything in '42 against a good opponent you say does not make mistakes, and still proclaim this game is too pro-Russian?



I hear you have only lost once as SHC.

So whats your record? 12-1?



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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: Spring of 1942 - 10/1/2012 8:39:24 AM   
sillyflower


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ORIGINAL: Pelton


quote:

ORIGINAL: sillyflower



I hear you have only lost once as SHC.

So whats your record? 12-1?




About that many to one as I only stopped playing as German recently. Never lost as German, but never played MT's Russians.

Record rather inflated by playing mixed ability/experienced players and have probably only had about 8 games as soviet go beyond T3.

I now also play with Belphegor ( my canadian chewtoy from an earlier AAR) and I'm OK with the way it's going in our games vs Bobo and Smokindave.

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Post #: 140
RE: Spring of 1942 - 10/16/2012 9:36:15 AM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 48 VP Total= 198

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 55
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 70
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 733
Russian losses this turn: 30,000 Total dead: 4,666,000
Russian OOB: 6,265,000
A net gain of: 30,000
Russian units currently in a pocket: 0
GHC OOB: 3,316,000
GHC net OOB change: 23,000

SHC gets some luck and wins 2 close battles that opens pocket, but was forces to commit some of its best mobile forces.

The question is has SHC throw good money after bad? My thoughts are SHC had no other options as this pocket would have totally unhinged SHC for the rest of 42 and been game set match unless GHC had a major screw-up. SHC has very few counters on the map and is forced to commit forward paper thin. SHC is hoping their reserve forces are enough to keep reopening pockets.

The up side for GHC is it is not 41 and infantry forces are at the front and reopening pockets is not an issue.





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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Pelton vs Bobo 1.06.13+ Summer of 1942 - 10/21/2012 11:01:24 AM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 49 VP Total= 198

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 55
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 70
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 733
Russian losses this turn: 66,000 Total dead: 4,666,000
Russian OOB: 6,347,000
A net gain of: 52,000
Russian units currently in a pocket: 43
GHC OOB: 3,316,000
GHC net OOB change: ,000


In the center pocket is resealed then another pocket which has units from 1st Shock army in it. Again several unlucky die rolls kept me from totally sealing the smaller pocket, which would have been hard to break as rivers would have been the lines. As it is 32 units are in the large pocket which should be sealed.





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< Message edited by Pelton -- 10/21/2012 11:22:26 AM >

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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: Pelton vs Bobo 1.06.13+ Summer of 1942 - 10/24/2012 6:10:33 PM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 50 VP Total= 198

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 60
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 87
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 903
Russian losses this turn: - 220,000 Total dead: 4,880,000
Russian OOB: 6,210,000
A net gain of: -137,000
Russian units currently in a pocket: 16
GHC OOB: 3,303,000
GHC net OOB change: -13,000





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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: Pelton vs Bobo 1.06.13+ Summer of 1942 - 10/28/2012 1:37:23 AM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 51 VP Total= 201

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 72
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 95
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 983
Russian losses this turn: 63,000 Total dead: 4,951,000
Russian OOB: 6,375,000
A net gain of: 165,000
Russian units currently in a pocket: 8
GHC OOB: 3,390,000
GHC net OOB change: 87,000

Cleaning up pocket.





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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: Pelton vs Bobo 1.06.13+ Summer of 1942 - 11/9/2012 2:14:51 PM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 52 VP Total= 202

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 108
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 101
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 1024
Russian losses this turn: 112,000 Total dead: 5,063,000
Russian OOB: 6,355,000
A net gain of: -20,000
Russian units currently in a pocket: 4
GHC OOB: 3,382,000
GHC net OOB change: -8,000


Good turn managed to push past most of the forts this spring and bag a few units. Was getting allot of reserve reactions the first few clear turns now one every 5th battle if that.

I was able to do 40 hasty attacks and 10 were holds. So I would say defenses from Kursk south are softened up for summer operations.

Goals for summer are to pocket 100+ divisions. I would like to pocket closer to 200 as that would surely be game set match.

Bobo so far has not made any major mistakes.

My 41 was average, his Blizzard above average, spring about average.

All my panzer units are withen HQB range. Not sure if I even do any as rail heads are right no front lines.

Kinda hoping he keeps pulling back as he bout of forts for summer.

I will go to the packman pocketing once summer hits and try for an average of 10 units per turn.





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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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RE: Pelton vs Bobo 1.06.13+ Summer of 1942 - 11/10/2012 2:55:16 PM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 53 Mud VP Total= 202

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 112
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 103
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 1044
Russian losses this turn: 54,000 Total dead: 5,107,000
Russian OOB: 6,388,000
A net gain of: 33,000
Russian units currently in a pocket: 2
GHC OOB: 3,401,000
GHC net OOB change: 19,000


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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 146
RE: Pelton vs Bobo 1.06.13+ Summer of 1942 - 12/2/2012 5:56:05 AM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 54 VP Total= 203

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 120
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 105
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 1064
Russian losses this turn: 77,000 Total dead: 5,184,000
Russian OOB: 6,435,000
A net gain of: 47,000
Russian units currently in a pocket: 16
GHC OOB: 3,375,000
GHC net OOB change: -25,000

Small 10+ divisions pockets per turn is all that’s needed to get AP crunch rolling. The total is already at 1064 and SHC unit count is very low. CV is high, but just 1 hole in line you just need to run one mech unit around the back to flip hexes and puff 3 hex wide hole. Over the last 5 turns 330 AP have been removed and another 160 are gone next turn. 1 or 2 more turns and the AP crunch will be under way. With SHC units count already very low it could turn into a rout fast. I really do need to over run allot of manpower centers asap. If not for AP crunch GHC would be a big trouble all ready.

AGC: Despite SHC retreating 20 miles and massive numbers of reserve reactions 16 divisions are pocketed and 3 layers of defensives are punched through. SHC best mech units were identified and that’s GHC main target. While the troops are fresh GHC wanted to demoralize SHC by bashing a hole through the very best defenses and best forces. I wish they would stick around for another turn, but SHC has been working on a 2nd line of defenses. Also the Panzer Corp in AGN area has been railed to the center. GHC will start rolling up the flanks of the north and southern SHC defenses. To get those reserve lvls SHC will have to rebuild that army or spend a boat load of AP reorganizing. I am guessing SHC has been spending allot of AP to get this good of reserve reaction. The down side is if I get SHC on the run its over. The hole Northern line is flanked as there are no 2nd line defense. There is also a 4 hex gap between rivers now to the south where 6th army has arrived. Bobo will retreat of throw everything into he lines in the hope of holding.

AGS: SHC forces retreat 20 more miles. I could care less at this point and let them retreat. Less attrition on my forces. Seeing that SHC is running east 20 miles per turn 6th Army has been moved into the breach.





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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 147
RE: Pelton vs Bobo 1.06.13+ Summer of 1942 - 12/10/2012 1:00:42 PM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 55 VP Total= 203

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 131
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 105
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 1064
Russian losses this turn: 70,000 Total dead: 5,254,000
Russian OOB: 6,465,000
A net gain of: 30,000
Russian units currently in a pocket: 20
GHC OOB: 3,375,000
GHC net OOB change: ,000


Good start to summer. 4 more units pocketed. Just need to keep ap crunch going and OOB at 6.5 million for as long as possible.




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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 148
RE: Pelton vs Bobo 1.06.13+ Summer of 1942 - 12/12/2012 10:51:29 PM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 56

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 159
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 118
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 1194
Russian losses this turn: 149,000 Total dead: 5,403,000
Russian OOB: 6,405,000
A net gain of: - 60,000
Russian units currently in a pocket: 3
GHC OOB: 3,331,000
GHC net OOB change: -40,000

A few more units pocketed and SHC withdraws from Orel to the north.

AGC pushed past the next river line. I expect Bobo to with draw he doesn't seem to have allot of units on the map and cant afford to lose many.

Bobo pockets 3 Rumanian units in Crimea, nice job on his part.





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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 149
RE: Pelton vs Bobo 1.06.13+ Summer of 1942 - 12/16/2012 1:46:23 AM   
Pelton


Posts: 4355
Joined: 4/9/2006
Status: online 		Turn 57 VP Total= 209

Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 182
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 121
Brigades: 5
SU: 8
AP total: 1224
Russian losses this turn: 85,000 Total dead: 5,488,000
Russian OOB: 6,455,000
A net gain of: 50,000
Russian units currently in a pocket: 9
GHC OOB: 3,333,000
A net gain of: 2,000




Not much fighting SHC withdraws behind another line of rivers.

9 rifle divisions pocketed this turn. Panzers refit and get ready for next turn.

GHC will try to pushing past a river line every turn, pocket a few units and flipping manpower centers.





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GHC
15 - 3 - 7

10 games ended in 41 (10-0-0)
4 games ended in 42 (4-0-2)
3 games ended in 43 (1-2-3)
1 game ended in 44 (0-1-2)

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Post #: 150
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