From: Ol' Blighty
What's so great about Steam from a user's perspective? I wish I didn't have to have it for some games. Sure, publishers might like it, but why should we want to support it? Much rather have something vastly less intrusive and clunky.
Are you serious? I'll list a few:
1. Easy & Convenient way to purchase games. - No more retail stores or having to create an account on multiple sites to make a purchase.
2. Automatic Updates - No need to watch news/forums for announcements for patches on individual sites for each game you play.
3. Easily Find & Launch your games. - No need for desktop/taskbar shortcuts for your games.
4. Cloud Saves (for some games) - easily continue your saves from another computer or just as a backup
5. In-Game Chat Overlay for both Steam games and Non-Steam Games
6. Screenshots saved on Cloud
7. Steamworks - Achievements, Leaderboards, Profiles, MP Matchmaking, DLC, Anti-Cheat, Voice Chat...
8. Community - Groups for Games/Genres/Similar Interests - find more people to play games with
I'm not a Steam fan at all, I wouldn't want DW to go on Steam. The people supporting Steam here are sounding like they think everything has to go on Steam to be successful. That is called a monopoly and it is generally a bad thing for the consumer.
1. Yes the steam store is fantastic, I agree. However, if it were just a store it would be perfect, why do I have to run the games through Steam aswell? I just want to download an .exe file I can install and run the game without having to open Steam up all the time and run it through that.
2. Yup that was annoying as hell, when Skyrim updated to those first few buggy patches even though I explicitly told it not to, not to mention one of the patches made it impossible to play in offline mode, and impossible not to download the patch, lol. Nope, I update when I want to, not when I'm told to, unless I have no choice (Steam/Skyrim)
3. Nope it is harder to find and launch games. Because, when I load up windows and my desktop shortcut is right there I just double click it (or I use the pinned part of my start menu which has just all my games in it for easy access). But with Steam I have to log into my account everytime which takes longer, download update for steam if there is one, get the stupid shop advert pop-up etc. Don't even get me started on wanting to play single player when the internet is down and not being able to because can't connect to Steam...
4. Never used it. Don't really want my files floating around online either if I'm honest. Saved games it doesn't matter, but what if it all goes this way, certainly don't want documents etc going online.
5. Who cares, seriously why would I want to chat when playing Distant Worlds, it is single player.
6. Yup and I can't view them for some reason. Never tried to save any myself, but I can't view other peoples because the loading time is incredibly slow, flickr is much better in my opinion.
7. Seriously, for DW? Nope none of this stuff is needed. Achievements, leaderboards etc, not at all interested for any game. DLC, would prefer to have it available everywhere so I can shop around for the best price, but if you once again want to support a single platform dictating all prices be my guest.
8. Once again I've never used Steam for this stuff. I agree it is nice, but there are other ways of doing it that are just as good, or better. Best community I was ever part of was Trackmania a few years back and that had nothing to do with Steam whatsoever.
9. Yes because it is the only way. Just like Internet Explorer, the worst browser was the most popular before we really had a *CHOICE*. Now Amazon, please open up your own platform to rival Steam! Give us a choice!
1. Because Steam is DRM, hence why it is attractive to publishers, they don't have to develop one on their own. Plus that goes with point #3.
2. Sounds like more of a problem of the developers releasing un-tested patches/updates.
3. Well, we probably have a different amount of games then. I have over 800 so it would be kind of hard to have them all on my desktop or in my start menu... I have Steam as auto-login and it takes 10 seconds to login, yup very painful. Steam updates increase that to 30 seconds, oooh! You can disable the shop adverts via options, perhaps look to disable something before complaining about it? Steam has offline mode, works fine for me when I don't have internet.
4. What does saving documents online have to do with Steam Cloud saves?
5. Guess I play different games than Distant Worlds and lots of online games. Perhaps my friend wants to go play Company of Heroes or something and messages me while I'm playing Distant Worlds?
6. Sounds like an internet problem on your end, load fast for me.
7. Sure, it's not needed but those things can attract more players...which in turns brings more money to the developers to continue development on REAL features. In case you didn't know, the Publishers determine the prices on Steam...not Steam.
8. It's a preference for me to be able to do that through the same program as everything else I'm doing.
9. I'm sorry what? Last time I checked there are many choices for digital distribution...
Someone asked as to what makes Steam attractive to gamers, I answered why I like it, and many reasons why my friends like it. Why is this now turned into a debate of DRM and why people hate Steam? Just because a game gets added to Steam, doesn't mean it won't be available from the locations it is now... Where did I say, or anyone, that Distant Worlds should ONLY be available on Steam?
I think you missed the point I'm trying to make entirely. Steam has many great features I agree. But, I don't want to be forced to use it. Pure and simple. Nor when I'm using it do I want to be forced to do anything like update my games etc or use particular features. Nor do I want developers or publishers to feel forced to use it because it is currently the only real option for online mass distribution of games.
And as for your point 7, remember Erik did post a long time ago that DW did not go with Steam because when they looked into it Steam got such a large cut they would have to sell more than a realistic amount of copies to make the same profit that they have here on their own website at their own prices. This is a niche game so there is no guarantee the audience is there for it.
Publishers go with Steam because they are frightened that if they don't their game will not sell due to a lack of publicity and because they are frightened of piracy. In doing so they hand over a lot of their revenue to another company (a rival company too). Bravo to Matrix for having the courage to stand up against something like this.
Also where are the moderators? This thread is ridiculous please move it to the general section of the forum as it is having a very negative impact on this otherwise great forum and it is off topic, most people discussing Steam in general without relation to DW.
Anyway, thats my last input to this thread.
< Message edited by WoodMan -- 8/10/2012 3:07:59 PM >
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