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OT - Portuguese colonies during the war - 6/14/2012 7:05:16 AM   
Aces8


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I was wondering what was the status of the Portuguese colonies in Asia during World War 2?

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RE: OT - Portuguese colonies during the war - 6/14/2012 7:31:07 AM   
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In terms of the game, Goa is portrayed (note the border) but is shown to be held by the British. I don't know if they actually occupied it. The other Portuguese colonies in India are not portrayed. Macau is not portrayed either. It was not occupied by either side during the war, but the Enterprise launched strikes against it in January of 45 as it was believed that the Portuguese were going to sell aviation fuel to the Japanese. Other strikes followed before the end of the war.

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RE: OT - Portuguese colonies during the war - 6/14/2012 7:58:19 AM   
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http://niehorster.orbat.com/049_portugal/41-12-08/41_macau.html
East Timor was occupied, Macau I do not know, but they had forces there

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RE: OT - Portuguese colonies during the war - 6/14/2012 12:27:11 PM   
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Interestingly East Timor is shown as assigned to ABDA command (with the dutch flags).

In reality, of course Portugal was neutral and there was something of an international furor at the time when the
Australian 2/2 commando company was sent there without Portuguese permission to garrison East Timor and hold Sparrow force's eastern flank (SF was in west Timor at the time) in what was, in a strict legal sense, something very close to an invasion.

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RE: OT - Portuguese colonies during the war - 6/14/2012 1:38:19 PM   
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Hello

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World War II

Unlike in the case of Portuguese Timor which was occupied by the Japanese in 1942 along with Dutch Timor, the Japanese respected Portuguese neutrality in Macau, but only up to a point. As such, Macau enjoyed a brief period of economic prosperity as the only neutral port in South China, after the Japanese had occupied Guangzhou (Canton) and Hong Kong. In August 1943, Japanese troops seized the British steamer Sian in Macau and killed about 20 guards. The next month they demanded the installation of Japanese "advisors" under the alternative of military occupation. The result was that a virtual Japanese protectorate was created over Macau. Japanese domination ended in August 1945.

When it was discovered that neutral Macau was planning to sell aviation fuel to Japan, aircraft from the USS Enterprise bombed and strafed the hangar of the Naval Aviation Centre on 16 January 1945 to destroy the fuel. American air raids on targets in Macau were also made on 25 February and 11 June 1945. Following Portuguese government protest, in 1950 the United States paid US$20,255,952 to the government of Portugal.[32]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Macau


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Timor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Timor

and Goa

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Because Portugal stayed neutral in the Second World War, Goa was too. As a result, at the outbreak of hostilities a number of Axis ships sought refuge in Goa rather than face the likelihood of interception by the British Royal Navy. There were three German ships, the Ehrenfels, the Drachenfels and the Braunfels, as well as an Italian ship. The British discovered that the Ehrenfels was transmitting information on Allied ship movements to U-boats in the Indian Ocean, with extremely damaging consequences for British shipping.

Because Portugal was neutral the British was unable to take any official action against these ships, however the SOE Indian mission organised a covert raid using members of the Calcutta Light Horse, a part-time unit made up of civilians who were not eligible for normal war service. The Light Horse embarked on an ancient Calcutta riverboat, the Phoebe, and sailed round India to Goa, where they sunk the Ehrenfels, and the other ships scuttled themselves, fearing that they were about to be seized.

The story of this raid was the subject of James Leasor's book, Boarding Party, which in turn was made into a film, The Sea Wolves, starring Gregory Peck, David Niven and Roger Moore in 1980. Because of the potential political ramifications of the fact that Britain had violated Portuguese neutrality, the raid remained secret until James Leasor's book was published in 1978.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Goa


Hope it Helps...

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RE: OT - Portuguese colonies during the war - 6/14/2012 1:39:25 PM   
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I have a sudden urge to watch "The Sea Wolves". In which Goa remains neutral Portuguese territory.

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RE: OT - Portuguese colonies during the war - 6/14/2012 2:41:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dobey

Interestingly East Timor is shown as assigned to ABDA command (with the dutch flags).

In reality, of course Portugal was neutral and there was something of an international furor at the time when the
Australian 2/2 commando company was sent there without Portuguese permission to garrison East Timor and hold Sparrow force's eastern flank (SF was in west Timor at the time) in what was, in a strict legal sense, something very close to an invasion.



The Portugese had assembled a small convoy with troop reinforcements at Colombo (Ceylon) at the time the Japanese invaded Timor. But after the Japanese occupation it didn't make sense to send the troops to Timor and the Portugese ships returned to Goa [or Mocambique] (this is mentioned in the monthly reports of British Eastern Fleet).

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RE: OT - Portuguese colonies during the war - 6/14/2012 3:40:40 PM   
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on an OT but related note, I'm thinking of shelling out mucho dinero for cincpacs communiques

http://www.ordersofbattle.darkscape.net/site/history/craigww2/index.html
http://www.ordersofbattle.darkscape.net/site/history/craigww2/December%201941%20Sample.pdf

Can this be found for free anywhere on the net or do you have to live next to a good library?

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RE: OT - Portuguese colonies during the war - 6/14/2012 9:16:34 PM   
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Sounds like a house rule is appropriate: Get the Indians out of Goa and no invading there by either side. Perhaps daBabes could come up with a Portuguese flag for it. Sounds like a good excuse to have a nice big glass of Port. Here here!

< Message edited by geofflambert -- 6/14/2012 9:25:49 PM >

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RE: OT - Portuguese colonies during the war - 6/15/2012 7:02:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Sounds like a house rule is appropriate: Get the Indians out of Goa and no invading there by either side. Perhaps daBabes could come up with a Portuguese flag for it. Sounds like a good excuse to have a nice big glass of Port. Here here!

And give both sides coast watchers?

I liked Seawolves and have a copy on DVD.

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RE: OT - Portuguese colonies during the war - 6/15/2012 11:17:53 PM   
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The Australian Official History has a chpater covering Timor

http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/records/awmohww2/army/vol4/part2/awmohww2-army-vol4-part2-ch21.pdf

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