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RE: 1944! - 2/20/2013 5:26:40 PM   
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This stopped me in my tracks:

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Anyway, if you're bored with the game the Marianas will require total dedication and concentration for a good part of a game year. You have to have the ships you need in the right places, and you have to have monumental supply and fuel dumps prepped. IMO that campaign, if Japan can still fight back, is the best AE can be.



You are spot on. This is certainly something I can do that might respark my interest in this campaign. Taking the Marianas is kind of a bear isnt it?

Since both of you have done it albeit vs the AI. How much is needed to do it? Before I delve to deep into it I must check the reinforcements and available units I can spare in late 44. Are we talking 10 divisions or 20?

Ah, sorry for being so short while asking very big question. Stupid exam!

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RE: 1944! - 2/20/2013 6:01:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

This stopped me in my tracks:

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Anyway, if you're bored with the game the Marianas will require total dedication and concentration for a good part of a game year. You have to have the ships you need in the right places, and you have to have monumental supply and fuel dumps prepped. IMO that campaign, if Japan can still fight back, is the best AE can be.



You are spot on. This is certainly something I can do that might respark my interest in this campaign. Taking the Marianas is kind of a bear isnt it?

Since both of you have done it albeit vs the AI. How much is needed to do it? Before I delve to deep into it I must check the reinforcements and available units I can spare in late 44. Are we talking 10 divisions or 20?

Ah, sorry for being so short while asking very big question. Stupid exam!


Depends on which LCUs, not their number. You probably want 2-3 Marine divisions. At least 3-4 more Army; you can reuse some without much prep once you're past beach shock attacks. You want a lot of arty and engineers. Some tanks for the beach; don't need to go overboard.

Far more important is your ships and bringing enough supply and fuel. You will burn through massive amounts of supply. And if you have to fight off a Japanese response while you're still landing you got some fun.

The real life Saipan invasion had over 800 ships. Let history be your guide. Also, it took a month to secure Saipan. AE players get real used to two-day amphib ops. The Marianas aren't like that. You have to prepare to hang around. Lots of Replenishment groups. It's a slog.

And take Eniwetok first. Trust me, it's a long, long haul forward from Pearl.

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RE: 1944! - 2/22/2013 3:10:52 PM   
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I passed the exam! Not only did I pass it I did so with flying colors gettin a 82% score! When I was driving there this morning I was SURE I was going to fail. Very glad I was wrong! Im now a certified high voltage distribution technician (Up to 20.000 Volts). Only 4 more exams before Im qualified to open my own company!

Now I have a 2 hour drive to do and then Im taking the family out for dinner! After that I have been promised some quality AE time to do the turn for Erik and update the AAR!

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RE: 1944! - 2/22/2013 3:52:23 PM   
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I passed the exam! Not only did I pass it I did so with flying colors gettin a 82% score! When I was driving there this morning I was SURE I was going to fail. Very glad I was wrong! Im now a certified high voltage distribution technician (Up to 20.000 Volts). Only 4 more exams before Im qualified to open my own company!

Now I have a 2 hour drive to do and then Im taking the family out for dinner! After that I have been promised some quality AE time to do the turn for Erik and update the AAR!


Congrats, man. I've been on both sides of those "I failed it!" exam days.

Is one of the four exams on accounting?

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RE: 1944! - 2/22/2013 4:02:26 PM   
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I passed the exam! Not only did I pass it I did so with flying colors gettin a 82% score! When I was driving there this morning I was SURE I was going to fail. Very glad I was wrong! Im now a certified high voltage distribution technician (Up to 20.000 Volts). Only 4 more exams before Im qualified to open my own company!

Now I have a 2 hour drive to do and then Im taking the family out for dinner! After that I have been promised some quality AE time to do the turn for Erik and update the AAR!


Congrats, man!

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RE: 1944! - 2/22/2013 4:12:23 PM   
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RE: 1944! - 2/22/2013 4:21:25 PM   
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Congrats!!

I have three exams to take to get my LPC (Licensed Professional Counselor). It would have been easier to take the exams just after graduate school, but.....

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RE: 1944! - 2/22/2013 4:49:20 PM   
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Is this where we are supposed to insert lame jokes about you now being able to "shock" the Japanese? Congratulations. Professional certification examinations are always significant achievements. Hopefully your good spirits will carry over to AE, and you will be inspired in your offensive operations for the remainder of 1944.
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I passed the exam! Not only did I pass it I did so with flying colors gettin a 82% score! When I was driving there this morning I was SURE I was going to fail. Very glad I was wrong! Im now a certified high voltage distribution technician (Up to 20.000 Volts). Only 4 more exams before Im qualified to open my own company!

Now I have a 2 hour drive to do and then Im taking the family out for dinner! After that I have been promised some quality AE time to do the turn for Erik and update the AAR!


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RE: 1944! - 2/22/2013 5:30:27 PM   
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Is this where we are supposed to insert lame jokes about you now being able to "shock" the Japanese? Congratulations. Professional certification examinations are always significant achievements. Hopefully your good spirits will carry over to AE, and you will be inspired in your offensive operations for the remainder of 1944.

OK, poodlebrain, just for you ...

More power to you Jocke!

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RE: 1944! - 2/22/2013 7:02:49 PM   
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Thank you guys! Im very pleased with myself. It was one of the worst exams I have done so far. The four I have left will be a lot easier since they are directly connected with my work. So most of it I know already (I hope)

Bullwinkle,

No accounting for me! In Sweden though you are required by law to have an accountant go through all your papers once per year if you start a company! They cost a fortune of course!

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RE: 1944! - 2/22/2013 7:23:02 PM   
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We reached 20th of February

I cant honestly remember what has happened the last 7 turns. Nothing major I hope.

CENTPAC

Eriks AMc in the middle of the ocean (some 20 hexes from the nearest base) busted the Gilbert ops. While it still makes me furious just thinking about it I will try to put that behind me and start stretching the rules when I need/want to too. This have implications though. I had hoped to get in fast and land a RGT on one of the dot bases to set up a Catalina base and then withdraw. I have decided to withdraw a bit and asses the situation. If he has set a trap he will try and spring it next turn. All CVs/CVL/CVE are bunched up in the same hex to provide maximum cover.

Need to decide shortly on whether or not I should scrap the Abemama/Tarawa landings. Troops are prepped and ready though. What do you guys think?

Burma

WW1 multi stacking deathstar syndrome in effect. Im thinking of just scrapping all the maneuvering crap and just bunch everything up together and move to his deathstar. Worked for Erik in China Should be some 11k AV. Thoughts?

New Guinea

Waiting for Cape Gloucester to fall in 5-7 turns. Then I will take out the AF at Rabaul. Erik has reinforced Aitape and Wewak with some 20.000 troops each. Will bypass them anyway.

Ill sit down tomorrow and REALLY look at the Marianas and see if its possible. I really not something FUN to do. I had hoped I would enjoy doing the turn after being away for almost a week. No such luck!

Ah well, time to drink some champagne with the missus!

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RE: 1944! - 2/23/2013 5:35:27 AM   
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I have forgotten what he can bring to oppose the Gilberts landings. Is it just LBA? Does he have a carrier force that can challenge you now? Surface assets?
If you had gone in regardless of initial detection I would have agreed with that just because he did not have enough lead time to build a solid opposition. After a day or two's delay, he could bring much of what he has left and you have to decide if the invasions are worth the risks. Getting some of his ships sunk and planes destroyed should be part of the considerations.

Deathstar? I have forgotten if you are playing the map with stacking limits or not. With overstacking, any attack situation is going lose much of its punch and take a lot of casualties. If you are playing the stock map and not attacking across a river, you could try it. Keep in mind that Deathstars can spoil the fun of a game for the side on the receiving end [although historically, the Russians assembled 20,000 guns for the final assault on Germany - they didn't care much if it upset the Germans ].

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RE: 1944! - 2/23/2013 7:53:59 AM   
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I have forgotten what he can bring to oppose the Gilberts landings. Is it just LBA? Does he have a carrier force that can challenge you now? Surface assets?
If you had gone in regardless of initial detection I would have agreed with that just because he did not have enough lead time to build a solid opposition. After a day or two's delay, he could bring much of what he has left and you have to decide if the invasions are worth the risks. Getting some of his ships sunk and planes destroyed should be part of the considerations.

Deathstar? I have forgotten if you are playing the map with stacking limits or not. With overstacking, any attack situation is going lose much of its punch and take a lot of casualties. If you are playing the stock map and not attacking across a river, you could try it. Keep in mind that Deathstars can spoil the fun of a game for the side on the receiving end [although historically, the Russians assembled 20,000 guns for the final assault on Germany - they didn't care much if it upset the Germans ].


Haha, Ill give you a brief update! He has the full KB minus 3 CVs and 2 CVEs. I have lost all initial CVs plus I have an Essex and a CVL in drydock. I am not ready to face the KB just yet. I do have some 5-600 CV fighters in the TFs but offensive power is very limited. The game being what the game is CAP is largely irrelevant unfortunately. Thats why I wanted to swoop in and establish a Catalina base before starting the actual operation.

Sometime in May I will probably be strong enough to challenge him. I then have 3 additional CVs plus 2 CVLs and some 20-25 more CVEs. I have come rely heavily on the CVEs. I get about one per week. Thats some 100 CV planes extra per month! Not to shabby! They may be brittle but I have so many loosing even a bunch would not matter much. I have some 30 in service right now (30x27=810 planes )

We are not playing with stacking limits. This had a part in me loosing China. Erik just assembled a 250.000-300.000 troops supported by 3000 tanks and just moved around the map until there wernt much left of China. Very fun! I actually think the tanks is the most disruptive thing in China. Even getting a 1:4 adjusted AV the Tankettes cause massive damage to the Chinese while suffering zero losses themselves. If I ever start another game I will ask for some HRs limiting armor in China.

Ive decided to wait and see if I can accomplish anything around Prome. If that fails I will just bunch everything up and the deathstars can duke it out until time runs out in 46. Erik will have a slight AV advantage in that case plus defensive terrain bonus so Im not sure I can do much about it. Fun fun fun!

Ive tried bombing but it have almost no effect. Even using some 500 bombers Im just causing some 50-100 casualties.

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RE: 1944! - 2/23/2013 1:34:46 PM   
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Burma - To win here you will need to make sure your "Death Star" is at a base so you can get the HQ bonuses from both a Corp HQ and a Command HQ.

CVEs - Mine are adding just extra fighters to my heavy CVs. That may be the best role for them in your case.

Don't lose heart yet, you should have the B-29s to play with soon.

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RE: 1944! - 2/23/2013 1:56:32 PM   
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Thank you guys! Im very pleased with myself. It was one of the worst exams I have done so far. The four I have left will be a lot easier since they are directly connected with my work. So most of it I know already (I hope)

Bullwinkle,

No accounting for me! In Sweden though you are required by law to have an accountant go through all your papers once per year if you start a company! They cost a fortune of course!


I was only semi-joking. In the US most start-ups fail for reasons unrelated to the core service or technical competency of the founders. They fail for "business" reasons: lack of capital, lack of cash flow, and that old devil, lack of customers/revenue. Note that revenue and cash flow are not the same thing. If that seems strange to you, take an accounting course!

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RE: 1944! - 2/23/2013 2:06:01 PM   
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We reached 20th of February

I cant honestly remember what has happened the last 7 turns. Nothing major I hope.

Naaaaah!

CENTPAC

Eriks AMc in the middle of the ocean (some 20 hexes from the nearest base) busted the Gilbert ops. While it still makes me furious just thinking about it I will try to put that behind me and start stretching the rules when I need/want to too. This have implications though. I had hoped to get in fast and land a RGT on one of the dot bases to set up a Catalina base and then withdraw. I have decided to withdraw a bit and asses the situation. If he has set a trap he will try and spring it next turn. All CVs/CVL/CVE are bunched up in the same hex to provide maximum cover.

Need to decide shortly on whether or not I should scrap the Abemama/Tarawa landings. Troops are prepped and ready though. What do you guys think?

I know I'm a heretic around here on HRs, but this is a good example of how they can ruin or reduce the enjoyment from the game. So he saw your invasion. Is that such a big deal? Is it worth doing at all? Is it structured in a way you have 3D defense? Is that AMc doing anything a sub couldn't do as far as early warning, and if it were a sub would you be upset? Every operation has risks and you will lose some in the course of the game. Again--is the operation worth the resources at risk? If you pulled back what else of equal or better outcome would you do with them, understanding that time is a core asset in the game as well?

Burma

WW1 multi stacking deathstar syndrome in effect. Im thinking of just scrapping all the maneuvering crap and just bunch everything up together and move to his deathstar. Worked for Erik in China Should be some 11k AV. Thoughts?

The story in Burma is supplies. Two big keys to that are holding Magwe (refineries), and holding Rangoon/Pegu for the port and refineries and LI. The coast roads are very important, more so than tramping around in the jungle exchanging attacks and treating malaria. If you have sea control deny him the coast and the water east of Pt. Blair and west of Rangoon, and use your sealift to move fast and take or neutralize Rangoon. Without supply all those men up north are a liability to him.




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RE: 1944! - 2/23/2013 4:08:25 PM   
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IRL the Empire violated the HR and a picket ship saw the Doolittle TF, causing it to launch too early.

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RE: 1944! - 2/23/2013 4:18:06 PM   
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IRL the Empire violated the HR and a picket ship saw the Doolittle TF, causing it to launch too early.


Yes, and the raid still accomplished and over-accomplished its strategic goals. It raised US morale and caused the Japanese leadership to undertake operations which cost them dearly in the next months.

The goal is to win the war, not win battles.


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RE: 1944! - 2/23/2013 6:15:42 PM   
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Marianas?

I have been studying the reinforcement queue and available forces to see what I could possible scrounge up for the operation. It depends a lot on when (if) I go.

In 80 days I could have the following forces available for a Marianas OP:

3 US ID
2 (sep) US RGTs
2 USMC Divisions
2 USMC RGTs
8 Tank BTLs
1 Amphib Tank BTL
2 Combat Engineer RGTs

To go in 80 days I would have to scrap any notion of talking anything besides going for the Marianas directly. Perhaps I could take Wake and use it for staging but that it.

If I wait a further 3 months I would (among other stuff) receive:
2 more IS ID
1 USMC ID
1 USMC RGT
5 Tank BTLs (including a 225 LVT one)

Waiting would allow me to make for perhaps two bases in one go? But I would also have to wait for prepping. I also will have to take the KB into consideration. I will have to fight it for the Marianas. Of that Im sure. In 3 more months I dont think the KB will remain a threat though? I will have 3 additional CVs and some 20 more CVEs. That would bring the CV fleet up to some 2200-2500 planes.

With the forces available I think I should be able to tackle the Marianas? Especially considering the amount of troops Erik has in Burma. To properly garrison the Marianas he would need 8 divisions or so. I dont think he really has that to spare?

So what do you guys think I should do? Go fast and go for only one base (3 months) or take my time (6-8 months) and try perhaps for perhaps two bases simultaneously? The latter could give me time to secure Eniwetok or any other staging base.

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RE: 1944! - 2/23/2013 6:21:19 PM   
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B29s

What are the experiences with them? Im a bit worried I wont be able to use them in a historical role doing deep unescorted strikes. In this game so far if I use 4Es unescorted and face Georges I loose about one 4E for each airborne George. Will the speed of the B29 save them from the worst of the attacks?

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RE: 1944! - 2/23/2013 6:54:39 PM   
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This is where no stacking limits works for you. Both Guam and Tinian have unlimited stacking. I would take one of them with all you can haul. You did not indicate what shipping you have available, but you will need a lot of APAs and AKAs. I would look at taking all you have listed plus many xAKs with supply and fuel loaded, plus base forces, construction engineers, Corps HQs, etc. Do not forget Marine F4Us loaded on CVEs that can be flown off as soon as the island has been taken. After the first island is taken you can then start taking the other ones. This will be a huge undertaking and considerable planning will be necessary.

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RE: 1944! - 2/23/2013 8:58:27 PM   
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You need a lot more engineers. And arty. That's probably enough infantry if it's prepped.

Wake doesn't do you any good. It's way too small and can't load fast enough.

Eniwetok. Take it. Build it. Remember what I said about needing a million supply? I wasn't kidding. You do the Marianas on the cheap you'll get clocked.

You need a forward staging base. Try to haul the first wave all the way from Pearl and they'll unload on the beach with 50+ disruption. You need someplace big where they can unlaod, rest, and re-load for the landing.

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RE: 1944! - 2/23/2013 9:56:29 PM   
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Congrats Joc:  I am not shocked that you passed.  You got some voltage going thru your brain. lol

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RE: 1944! - 2/24/2013 4:31:14 PM   
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20th-22nd February -44

New Guinea

I have been blasting some troops moving towards Hansa Bay causing some considerable losses. Turns out I can blast them even when they arrived at their destination. This indicates Eric hasnt been able to put forts up. Good news. Will land a division there shortly. Hopefully Cape Gloucester will fall next turn. If it does Im within strike range of Rabaul with PTs. That could be worth a try.

Merauke will also be invaded next turn using a division + 1 RGT. I have more in reserve if needed. No rush getting it so no air support will be diverted. Shipping will go to Milne and start loading up for Manus.

CENTPAC

Ive decided to cancel the Gilbert operation. I might still land on the dot base to get a seach base up. Reprepped all units for Eniwetok. Its an unnecessary operation and not worth the 30-40 days it will take.

Burma

I decided on a whim to do a test bombing at Prome. That came out pretty good...

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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 55,50 (Prome)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes


Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 12
Liberator B.III x 11
Liberator GR.III x 12
B-17F Fortress x 10
B-24D Liberator x 16
B-24D1 Liberator x 30
B-24J Liberator x 91


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 1 damaged
Liberator GR.III: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
458 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 49 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled


Eriks 33rd division wont be combat worthy for a while after that! He landed another division at Tavoy this turn. To far south for me to intervene. But it wont be a pleasant walk north for that lot. That I will make sure!

Northern OZ

Erik has withdrawn and left it almost empty. Thank you. That saves time and will allow me to threaten the DEI with an 4 Division Army.

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Ground combat at Fenton (76,126)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4304 troops, 0 guns, 631 vehicles, Assault Value = 349

Defending force 973 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 41

Allied adjusted assault: 286

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 286 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Fenton !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1286 casualties reported
Squads: 44 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 34 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 18 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1
Units destroyed 1




Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
2/8th Armoured Regiment
2/9th Armoured Regiment
2/7th Armoured Regiment
2/5th Armoured Regiment
2/6th Armoured Regiment
1st Army Tank Regiment


Defending units:
3rd Raiding Regiment
13th Naval Const Bn /1


Only 3k troops at Darwin. Might not even have to divert the 4Es to capture it!

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RE: 1944! - 2/26/2013 6:18:08 PM   
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22nd-24th January -44

New Guinea

We capture Cape Gloucester without opposition. No combat troops were present. Erik has put up some CAP last 2 turns over Hansa Bay. I sent in some P38s to deal with that. Merauke is invaded without opposition. I will have to bring in some more troops to take the base.

OZ

Erik has definitively abandoned Darwin. I started prepping the troops for Lautem, Dili and Wetar. 4 Divisions and 6 tank units have started prepp. While obvious targets Dili and Leutem can go to level 9 AF.

93rd and 38th US IDs arrive in Brisbane. They are prepped and ready and should see action very shortly.

Burma

I allowed Erik to reopen Rangoon. Having his planes at Bangkok made no difference. Now I can shoot them down again. I set up 3 teams of powerful "sweepers" to rotate going in before the bombers. P47 pools look good again with 120 planes. I also upgraded another unit to P47s. The brits are almost exclusivity flying the Spit VII now.

Some 8-10 USMC Fighter squadrons arrived at Aden. They will soon help out with sweeps giving the pilots some combat experience.

Eriks forces at Prome is really taking a beating from the air. Perhaps this is where I should cross...I can imagine his troops being combat worth after something like this. It has been going on for a few days now...

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Morning Air attack on 3rd RTA Division, at 55,50 (Prome)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes


Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 12
Blenheim IV x 13
Liberator II x 3
Liberator B.III x 3
Liberator GR.III x 12
Spitfire VIII x 10
Wellington B.X x 13
B-17F Fortress x 10
B-24D Liberator x 15
B-24D1 Liberator x 18
B-24J Liberator x 91
B-25C Mitchell x 39
B-25D1 Mitchell x 13
B-26 Marauder x 13


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 1 damaged
Liberator GR.III: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
353 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)


CENTPAC

Forces are returning to PH. A small SCTF is still at Baker. CVL Langley arrived at PH. Only 24 days for repairs after the Torp hit!

I will not wait for 100 Prepp at Eniwetok. Some 50-60 will have to do. In 50 days I have 2 more CVs, 3 more CVLs and 12 more CVEs ready for action. Thats some 500+ more AC. That will have to do.

Here is a screen of the NG area. With two more divisions arriving here things look really good. Eriks troops at Hansa Bay are smashed and has taken some 3000 losses over the last week from air strikes.







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RE: 1944! - 2/26/2013 7:15:03 PM   
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You need a forward staging base. Try to haul the first wave all the way from Pearl and they'll unload on the beach with 50+ disruption. You need someplace big where they can unlaod, rest, and re-load for the landing.


Where, though? You need a base or two that can hold 30000+ troops. Eniwetok has a limit of 6000. No easy answer.

Mariannas, I agree, is a real challenge. I have never gotten far enough to invade, but they are a bear, and the Japanese have plenty of time to fortify.

I also think taking one of the 4 smaller islands (Roti, Antahan, Almagan, etc) has to be on the list. This way, you can dock an AKE there, and AOs, and have a stantionary airbase. Something you can use to sustain Naval Ops for a month. You need a piece of ground somewhere to do that, and definitely land closer than Pearl. They also all have a stacking limit of 35K or so, enough to rest and refit some guys close to the targets.

Marcus might be a better prelim than Eniwetok; it can't be defended with other than CVs, and taking it rips a big hole in the air search.

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RE: 1944! - 2/26/2013 7:25:12 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

You need a forward staging base. Try to haul the first wave all the way from Pearl and they'll unload on the beach with 50+ disruption. You need someplace big where they can unlaod, rest, and re-load for the landing.


Where, though? You need a base or two that can hold 30000+ troops. Eniwetok has a limit of 6000. No easy answer.

Mariannas, I agree, is a real challenge. I have never gotten far enough to invade, but they are a bear, and the Japanese have plenty of time to fortify.

I also think taking one of the 4 smaller islands (Roti, Antahan, Almagan, etc) has to be on the list. This way, you can dock an AKE there, and AOs, and have a stantionary airbase. Something you can use to sustain Naval Ops for a month. You need a piece of ground somewhere to do that, and definitely land closer than Pearl. They also all have a stacking limit of 35K or so, enough to rest and refit some guys close to the targets.

Marcus might be a better prelim than Eniwetok; it can't be defended with other than CVs, and taking it rips a big hole in the air search.


I don't like going as deep as Marcus. Personal style.

When I played Marianas with the AI I used Eniwetok for supplies, fuel and AD/AR. I unloaded assault troops for a few days, ate the overstack (I had supply dumps nearly seven figures), reloaded the first wave in Amphib (fairly slowly, but I had naval support too) and sent them in. The second and third waves I left on the ships from Pearl and let them recover disruption on the beach.

If you have time to take Kwajalein and Roi Namur that helps a great deal too with re-load rates. I also pushes his subs back to the inner perimeter for basing.

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RE: 1944! - 2/27/2013 3:04:33 PM   
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Its a really interesting discussion!

I guess there are drawbacks and benefits on most things you do in this game. As Bullwinkle says perhaps many things come down to personal style more then anything. Eniwetok is perfect as a harbor with its "big" port. But all bases in the Marshalls are only 6k max stacking.

The Bonins on the other hand are 30k all of them... And if Bonins is in Allied hands doesnt that make the Marianas almost irrelevant? Or at least a lot easier for the allies to secure? Im still very much tempted by the Bonins as a means to gain lost time. I realize it will be an atoll invasions and I have learned they need A LOT of preparation. With no means to rearm BBs close by I will have to rely heavily on CV power to secure one of the bases at first. My Canton/Baker invasions showed that at least partially CVEs can fill the role of pounding atolls freeing the CV/CVLs for the inevitable KB intervention.

One thing that also could speak for the Bonins is the surprise factor. Erik would not expect an invasion here before the Marshalls I think.

I guess the main question would be: How much harder would the Bonins actually be if weighed against a Marianas invasion?





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RE: 1944! - 2/27/2013 3:29:19 PM   
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Taking Marcus and then the Bonins gives you a good penetration into the Emperors perimeter, but you could suffer a lot of grief from LBA [Netties] striking from both the HI and the Marianas [and maybe the Philippines]. You may eventually be able to load strong fighter cover on the Bonins but raids will always be an issue until you can close some of his airfields in range. Problem is, they are beyond your fighter range so your HB are on their own.

And then what? The airfields on the Bonins won't support much in the way of B-29s for strategic bombing. The Bonins give a nice naval location for your subs, but any AS in port could be hit in a raid. Same goes for any surface naval forces and supply convoys. I am not that confident that your fighters can always protect the bases and ships in the area.

Again, a matter of personal style but I think the NG - Palau - Philippines - Okinawa route offers more potential for short hops that do not rely on CV support for extended periods. The CVs can remain ghosts, appearing and striking suddenly and vanishing before he can react.

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RE: 1944! - 2/27/2013 3:47:17 PM   
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I guess the main question would be: How much harder would the Bonins actually be if weighed against a Marianas invasion?



Well, Nimitz was looking at the same map you are.

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