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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/20/2012 8:36:24 PM   
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Sensing what was coming, Tarhunnas withdraws his MLR to just a couple of hexes SW of Kharkov. With the infantry chasing away his screening units, the Panzers exploit and attack the MLR and Kharkov itself, which falls to a deliberate attack the defending mountain division being of poor morale.

I decline further exploitation at this point, better to let the infantry catch up and clear the way next turn.




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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/20/2012 8:37:06 PM   
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And close up South.




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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/20/2012 8:38:15 PM   
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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/20/2012 8:40:25 PM   
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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/20/2012 8:40:51 PM   
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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/20/2012 9:28:12 PM   
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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 12:17:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow he is hurting with only 3.1 million men.

Moscow is clearly withen reach with weak defences as he basicly has very little left and probably with low moral.

Nice job.

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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 1:30:55 PM   
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Wow he is hurting with only 3.1 million men.

Moscow is clearly withen reach with weak defences as he basicly has very little left and probably with low moral.

Nice job.


Agreed, most on-map units (except in front of Moscow) have been reduced to shells after repeated combats, retreats, routes. But even so, they appear in the frontline again and again, forcing combats, delays, fatigue, etc...

I'm not really complaining and surely not whining , but the relative ease routed units are rallied, and have movement to push back ZOC's is something that I find questionable. There's nothing worse than having a cluster of routed units next to the fartest flipped hex, they'll just rally and take the whole lot back!

Perhaps a rule that prevents units from Rallying when closer than 10 hexes to an enemy unit would be appropriate?
Or perhaps s strong movement reduction (quartered?) after being rallied?


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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 1:44:42 PM   
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A classic example of Tarhannus style of play.
The black arrow, a cav div. pushes straight through ZOC and just falls short of some bomber airbases. in addition, if I just cut it off and leave it there it would:
1. take a lot of units make sure he can't move.
2. failing that, it might interfere with RR conversion next turn. And that risk can't be accepted.
The result is that 2 divisions spend their movement on repeated combats to dislodge and then route the Cav back to his lines. 2 divisions not available for flank protection further East.

The black circle a cav division that was most likely routed last turn combines with other units to isolate the misplaced Mot. Div. Generally, from what seems out of thin air, a multitude of units appear and start pressing on the flanks and at the point of penetration. Everything in reach is zoc-ed.




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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 1:48:19 PM   
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A dense checkerboard defense covers the direct route to Stalino but most of these units must be weak.




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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:01:57 PM   
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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:10:32 PM   
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After moves.
PzG4's XXXXI PzC leads the attack and pushes clean through the weak defenders which are routed to a unit and displaced multiple times while the penetration is exploited. The red circle is where they end up.
PzG3 carries the penetration far and wide behind the Moscow flank and the trap is spun, although it is unlikely it will hold.
PzG2 manages to beat back the screen and cross the Oka but only just. All RR's into Moscow are cut-off and an estimated 500K Russian soldiers find themselves isolated.

A Pz Div overruns Kalinin while another moves into the rear of the of the tenacious Rhzev defenders hoping this will convince Tarhunnas to retreat.
Further West, the fight for the VL-Rhzev RR reaches new intensity as multiple cav divs try to penetrate my lines. The situation becomes so critical that even Sec. regiments are pushed into the line.






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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:13:02 PM   
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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:13:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, cavalry on the flanks is good practice for Soviet players.You have to plant a seed of doubt in the mind of the Axis player to prevent him thinning out his flanks too much even if it means losing the odd cavalry division now and again.As you say more often than not the division will be routed out anyway because it's just too time consuming for the Axis player to kill it.And there's always the chance that it'll hit the jackpot, like a stack or three of poorly placed air bases.

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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:15:19 PM   
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Here as well, multiple Cav divs try to infiltrate the flank but are beaten back, even if barely.
The link-up with the Fins is established and 3 Finish units move in to occupy the remaining port. Leningrad is now doomed but I intend to wait with the assault till Snow.




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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:17:15 PM   
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Yes, cavalry on the flanks is good practice for Soviet players.You have to plant a seed of doubt in the mind of the Axis player to prevent him thinning out his flanks too much even if it means losing the odd cavalry division now and again.As you say more often than not the division will be routed out anyway because it's just too time consuming for the Axis player to kill it.And there's always the chance that it'll hit the jackpot, like a stack or three of poorly placed air bases.



True, true, his constant efforts to cut my supplies has been a major concern throughout the campaign. However, at times I wonder whether some of these units would not have been better employed to defend Moscow itself...

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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:19:42 PM   
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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:21:30 PM   
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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:21:47 PM   
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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:23:13 PM   
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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:28:08 PM   
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Yes, cavalry on the flanks is good practice for Soviet players.You have to plant a seed of doubt in the mind of the Axis player to prevent him thinning out his flanks too much even if it means losing the odd cavalry division now and again.As you say more often than not the division will be routed out anyway because it's just too time consuming for the Axis player to kill it.And there's always the chance that it'll hit the jackpot, like a stack or three of poorly placed air bases.



True, true, his constant efforts to cut my supplies has been a major concern throughout the campaign. However, at times I wonder whether some of these units would not have been better employed to defend Moscow itself...

Yes, I think he overdoes it.
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Leningrad is now doomed but I intend to wait with the assault till Snow.

So the defenders don't get rebuilt?Smart.

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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:35:35 PM   
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I think this screenshot illustrates my point very well and is also at the basis why forward defends can work even with weak units.
Most, if not all, of the units which are used to cut-off units, re-open the Moscow pocket and push in the flanks are units which have been routed the turn before. Regardless of whether this is balanced or not, this certainly screams unrealistic to me.

Anyhow, the pocket is broken and he does not retreat in Rhzev BUT, the most important part of the ring holds. As does 2PzG flank (next shot) and so does the VL RR. In addition, Mansteins PzC arrives as do the 2nd and 5th Pz Divs.
Now, I must focus on making the ring unbreakable. If I fail, and he manages to break the pokcet again, I will not have enough time to clear it before mud which in turn will put me in a very bad supply situation. The stakes are high.






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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:40:28 PM   
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Yes, cavalry on the flanks is good practice for Soviet players.You have to plant a seed of doubt in the mind of the Axis player to prevent him thinning out his flanks too much even if it means losing the odd cavalry division now and again.As you say more often than not the division will be routed out anyway because it's just too time consuming for the Axis player to kill it.And there's always the chance that it'll hit the jackpot, like a stack or three of poorly placed air bases.



True, true, his constant efforts to cut my supplies has been a major concern throughout the campaign. However, at times I wonder whether some of these units would not have been better employed to defend Moscow itself...

Yes, I think he overdoes it.
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Leningrad is now doomed but I intend to wait with the assault till Snow.

So the defenders don't get rebuilt?Smart.


That's a nice bonus but wasn't my intention from the start. I had first planned to eliminate the pocket after the linkup with the Fins, but that proved much harder than I thought possible. So now, with only 3 turns before mud, and still alot of terrain to capture to have a good defensive line, it's basically the best option I have available. The assaulting Corps will be some of my best infantry (I & II Corps) and will need to go into Winter camp after that anyway. They'll do in on their way out, so to speak.

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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:48:26 PM   
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The fight for the flank is in full swing and he makes several penetrations the most dangerous certainly in the vicinity of Tula. But overall, the flank holds, if only barely.




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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:53:06 PM   
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As expected, an assortiment of units cut's of the spearhead occupying Stalino.
However, this presents another pocket opportunity...




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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 2:55:40 PM   
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Once again he occupies previously cleared terrain which I was unable to occupy because of a lack of movement and units all together.
Once again, he tries to penetrate the flanks.
Once again, I'm fighting the same units routed last turn.




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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 3:00:29 PM   
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The pocket is re-established but only after hard fighting and I feel none to strong in the black circled area. Let's hope lady Fortuna is with me!

Red circles, routed units this turn...






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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 3:06:23 PM   
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Some hard fighting here to re-establish the flank and prevent further breakthroughs.
Next turn will be critical. If he can break my flank I might well be in trouble.




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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 3:07:40 PM   
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RE: Tackling the Russian bear (No Tarhunnas pls) - 6/21/2012 3:11:28 PM   
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XIV PzC is brought back in supply and I have the means to occupy both ports against the Azov Sea. Yet another pocket in the making. IT'll be broken, but with some luck, not much is getting out.




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