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Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/30/2012 4:01:22 AM   
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Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilB2ukvXXfc

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/30/2012 4:38:41 AM   
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Forgive me for being too lazy to find a link and post it but, youtube also has the full movie dubbed in English if you prefer.

I watched about 2/3 of it a couple of weeks ago and I'm sorry to report I didn't find it to be worth more than 2 stars. I didn't think it was worth sitting through the final 40 minutes.

So what do you guys think is the best movie about the Eastern Front?

I'd say Enemy at the Gates, but I haven't seen very many.

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/30/2012 4:40:11 PM   
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This is 10 time better.EATG is just hollywood glitz - except that is the first 10 mins.

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/30/2012 4:53:32 PM   
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Best WWII movie I've watched (not Eastern Front) is Das Boot. Christ is that movie terrifying. The Eastern Front is unfortunately underrepresented (as in everything), though i have heard there's a really good movie called Cross of Iron that I've never seen anywhere.

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/30/2012 5:28:45 PM   
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DB is a very good film indeed...

Downfall is also very good...

Has anyone seen Katyn ( i think that is how its spelt) Polish made film excellent and terrifying.

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/30/2012 5:31:26 PM   
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Oh yeh Cross of Iron - truly great for the inter relationships of officers and men on the Eastern Front .

Three of four classic lines in that film I will never forget... like...

Come with me and I will show you where the Iron Crosses grow.

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/30/2012 5:44:01 PM   
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I can't find that movie anywhere dammit.

That line remind me, in the soviet war museum in the Kremlin, there's a display of a nazi flag and on top of it there's a bunch of iron crosses scattered about. When I saw the picture of it I had to laugh, because its a fantastic middle finger, but on the other hand it is somewhat sad when you think every one of those was an act of bravery in vain.

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/30/2012 6:09:00 PM   
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I bought this on DVD years ago, I was disappointed.
There was a very good Russian made film on the tele not long ago that I can't remember the name of.There was one memorable scene where a Russian tank and a German tank got bogged down close to each other and both crews got out to repair them without bothering each other.
The best Eastern front based film I can think of is another Russian made film, "Come And See".

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/30/2012 7:57:08 PM   
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Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilB2ukvXXfc

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I thought it was an ultimately disappointing film - shame as it started well.....

Cross of Iron is excellent.

Best WWII film ever? Schindlers List Imo.

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/31/2012 8:43:03 PM   
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Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilB2ukvXXfc

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I thought it was an ultimately disappointing film - shame as it started well.....

Cross of Iron is excellent.

Best WWII film ever? Schindlers List Imo.


I really like this movie (Stalingrad). And it's German, as it should be. Cross of Iron is indeed excellent. If anything, I inevitably smell an admiration for the Germans... And still, when the movie starts you can see nazi crimes (the pictures, whilst the kids sing). Still, Mr Peckinpah could not hide this admiration, I suspect

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/31/2012 8:44:45 PM   
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Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilB2ukvXXfc

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I thought it was an ultimately disappointing film - shame as it started well.....

Cross of Iron is excellent.

Best WWII film ever? Schindlers List Imo.


I really like this movie (Stalingrad). And it's German, as it should be. Cross of Iron is indeed excellent. If anything, I inevitably smell an admiration for the Germans... And still, when the movie starts you can see nazi crimes (the pictures, whilst the kids sing). Still, Mr Peckinpah could not hide this admiration, I suspect

hmmm, admiration? Strange you would think that. If anything this is an anti-war movie, nothing I can see shows any admiration towards the Germans or war.

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/31/2012 9:00:06 PM   
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hmmm, admiration? Strange you would think that. If anything this is an anti-war movie, nothing I can see shows any admiration towards the Germans or war.


It's true that I can hardly explain it. But my guts clearly detect some sort of admiration

Let's see: the über very bad nazi (and we talk about politics) soldier who joins the squad mid-film. The guy is a caricature LOL And of course he is there (the script thing) to make sure we notice the GREAT difference between the good soldiers and the evil ones...

As I see it Mr Peckinpah was into gore (when Tarantino was wearing nappies), not sure that makes him an anti-war movie maker. An anti-war movie does not show how great the Germans led by Coburn are. And we have tons of scenes where we can admire Coburn's men tactical genius.

My guts, sorry...

Peckinpah and anti-war just sound strident to my ears.

Paths of Glory, now that's anti-war

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/31/2012 10:40:05 PM   
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Hard to make a more anti war film than Das Boot. It's more of a horror film than a war film to my eyes.

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/31/2012 10:44:33 PM   
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I saw a Russian movie called 'Ivanovo detstvo' (Ivan's Childhood), about a young boy who acts as a courier between partisans and the regular army across the German lines. As a war movie it wasn't terribly thrilling, but interesting nonetheless.

Speaking of WW2 movies in general, has anyone seen the German movies about corporal Asch, based on the books by Hans Helmut Kirst? I liked the books a lot, and wonder if the movies might be worth getting hold of. (IIRC, the second book of the trilogy is set at least partially on the eastern front)

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/31/2012 11:11:00 PM   
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It was alright and historical. It did win some foreign film awards

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 5/31/2012 11:45:40 PM   
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I can't find that movie anywhere dammit.

That line remind me, in the soviet war museum in the Kremlin, there's a display of a nazi flag and on top of it there's a bunch of iron crosses scattered about. When I saw the picture of it I had to laugh, because its a fantastic middle finger, but on the other hand it is somewhat sad when you think every one of those was an act of bravery in vain.



The museum's actually in Park Pobedy (Victory Park) a couple of km from the Kremlin, to the south west.

It's a chilling display. The flag and iron crosses are in a glass / perspex case, pretty much at floor level. The building has high ceilings throughout, with many displays of Soviet war memoriabilia along the walls and around the room, then at boot level there are the remnants of the symbols of the Nazis.

I am reminded of the words:

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings,
Look on my works ye mighty and despair.


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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/1/2012 1:24:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: notenome

I can't find that movie anywhere dammit.

That line remind me, in the soviet war museum in the Kremlin, there's a display of a nazi flag and on top of it there's a bunch of iron crosses scattered about. When I saw the picture of it I had to laugh, because its a fantastic middle finger, but on the other hand it is somewhat sad when you think every one of those was an act of bravery in vain.



The museum's actually in Park Pobedy (Victory Park) a couple of km from the Kremlin, to the south west.

It's a chilling display. The flag and iron crosses are in a glass / perspex case, pretty much at floor level. The building has high ceilings throughout, with many displays of Soviet war memoriabilia along the walls and around the room, then at boot level there are the remnants of the symbols of the Nazis.

I am reminded of the words:

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings,
Look on my works ye mighty and despair.


I have only seen pictures of it. No doubt meant to be Russian propaganda on how the might of communism destroyed the nazis. Always wonder in amazement of course how the Germans fought two world wars to be the leading economic power in Europe only to lose both world wars and become the leading ecomic power in Europe . Thanks Stalin and communism .

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/1/2012 9:39:26 PM   
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Good rus film Они сражались за Родину фильм 2 / They Fought for Their Land http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWwVex6Y-tg&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/2/2012 4:22:02 AM   
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I did not like the movie either. seemed more a political movie and total trashing of german officers. Some of the combat scenes were realy cool tho. I think that movie about hitlers last days were produced by the same guys?

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/2/2012 10:47:50 AM   
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Hi all,

All post WWII German war movies are anti-war movies by default...

You will never see (at least i don't recall it - and I have see them plenty) any movie that glorifies German army and/or officers but they often honor individual soldiers as individual persons...


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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/2/2012 10:53:00 AM   
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Hi all,

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Good rus film Они сражались за Родину фильм 2 / They Fought for Their Land http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWwVex6Y-tg&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1


Two good but rather hard to watch Soviet WWII movies (i.e. they are not for everyone):


"My name is Ivan" ("Ivanovo detstvo")

by Andrey Tarkovskiy from 1962!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056111/combined


"Watch and See" ("Idi i smotri")

by Elem Klimov from 1985!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/combined


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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/2/2012 1:13:24 PM   
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The museum's actually in Park Pobedy (Victory Park) a couple of km from the Kremlin, to the south west.

It's a chilling display. The flag and iron crosses are in a glass / perspex case, pretty much at floor level. The building has high ceilings throughout, with many displays of Soviet war memoriabilia along the walls and around the room, then at boot level there are the remnants of the symbols of the Nazis.

I am reminded of the words:

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings,
Look on my works ye mighty and despair.



Pretty much.



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No doubt meant to be Russian propaganda on how the might of communism destroyed the nazis.


Propaganda? They did destroy the Nazis. 20-40 million dead Russians, Ukranians, Poles etc was what won the war.

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/3/2012 5:02:16 AM   
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Just watched Cross of Iron. It's kind of jarring to see all the mustaches and beards the Germans are rocking. On the other hand the movie contains a lot of (true) stuff you don't normally see in war movies, like women serving in the red army and child-soldiers (both of which are accurate for the time period).

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/3/2012 5:36:04 AM   
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"Watch and See" ("Idi i smotri")

by Elem Klimov from 1985!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/combined


Leo "Apollo11"


That's a superb (and deeply disturbing) film Leo. Was the one I was going to suggest.

In the vein of anti-war films, Attack and Retreat is an interesting film - about the Italians on the Eastern Front (with a cameo by Peter Falk). It's not without faults (the portrayal of the Red Army is very generous to say the least) but worth a watch if you've some spare time for something a bit different.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059323/


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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/3/2012 2:51:47 PM   
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Hi all,

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Good rus film Они сражались за Родину фильм 2 / They Fought for Their Land http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWwVex6Y-tg&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1


Two good but rather hard to watch Soviet WWII movies (i.e. they are not for everyone):


"My name is Ivan" ("Ivanovo detstvo")

by Andrey Tarkovskiy from 1962!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056111/combined


"Watch and See" ("Idi i smotri")

by Elem Klimov from 1985!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/combined


Leo "Apollo11"


Indeed. It is a little mistake in my view to consider the Eastern Front to be under-represented, movie-wise - it's first and foremost Soviet filmmaking about the topic which is grossly underrated, or sometimes completely ignored. The theater didn't need a thousand hollow movies, just a dozen great Soviet movies which catch the whole feeling so much better than any average western movie about the thing - movies from the western allies tend to be about soldiers more than about war, and that's understandable considering our own experience. "Come and See" is a masterpiece on this aspect. Some others, like "The dawns are quite here" (link to imdb) focus on other topics brilliantly, ans grasp your breath and your heart like no other. Often, these movies are from books masterly written in a way only a Russian soul may convey, however red it may be. Make no mistake, it's not because it was made in a certain era that it is deprived of all the sensitiveness, all the emotion, all the melancholy and fatality you may expect from a Russian heart and its work of art.

And, to come to the defense of the above-mentioned Stalingrad, what the movie lacks in rhythm, it is certainly not lacking in authenticity. I know some may say that the last dozens minutes are boring, but seriously, the only objective reason why you'd be incline to praise a boring patrol moment of Das Boot more than an escape from the Kessel is Klaus Doldinger's music. No offense intended, I like them both, and they are great allegories of that big mess of a waste. You'll feel the cries, the agony, the revolt in every soviet movie about the war. Now feel what the German side felt when the snow slowly eats down what remains of the last soldier of the movie, just like Russia and the steppes chewed down the Wehrmacht to its last bits. Das Boot and Stalingrad are about how war wastes lives of good men in a crazy gamble against all odds, and I do find them equally admirable in their own way. But at the same time, don't forget to have a look at what the Russians have to say about their own rape - watch three or four movies, you'll see how the Eastern Front, when it comes to movies, is already quite well served with talent.

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/3/2012 4:32:12 PM   
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"Watch and See" ("Idi i smotri")

by Elem Klimov from 1985!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/combined


That's a superb (and deeply disturbing) film Leo. Was the one I was going to suggest.

In the vein of anti-war films, Attack and Retreat is an interesting film - about the Italians on the Eastern Front (with a cameo by Peter Falk). It's not without faults (the portrayal of the Red Army is very generous to say the least) but worth a watch if you've some spare time for something a bit different.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059323/


Yep...

BTW, I will try to get "Attack and Retreat"... I can't recall of wathing it...


Also, of the recent post-USSR Russian / Ukrainian / Belarus films one stands out:

"Brest Fortress" ("Brestskaya krepost")

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343703/

Although it has its flaws it is better than most recent Hollywood production war movies (few shining examples aside like: "Band of Brothers", "The Pacific", "Flags of our Fathers", "Letters from Iwo Jima", "Saving Private Ryan")...


One of the recent Russian movies I didn't like at all:

"Admiral "("Admiral")

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1101026/


It is historically wrong in so many places...


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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/3/2012 4:48:31 PM   
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Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: Fishbed

quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Heisenberg

Good rus film Они сражались за Родину фильм 2 / They Fought for Their Land http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWwVex6Y-tg&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1


Two good but rather hard to watch Soviet WWII movies (i.e. they are not for everyone):


"My name is Ivan" ("Ivanovo detstvo")

by Andrey Tarkovskiy from 1962!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056111/combined


"Watch and See" ("Idi i smotri")

by Elem Klimov from 1985!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/combined


Indeed. It is a little mistake in my view to consider the Eastern Front to be under-represented, movie-wise - it's first and foremost Soviet filmmaking about the topic which is grossly underrated, or sometimes completely ignored. The theater didn't need a thousand hollow movies, just a dozen great Soviet movies which catch the whole feeling so much better than any average western movie about the thing - movies from the western allies tend to be about soldiers more than about war, and that's understandable considering our own experience. "Come and See" is a masterpiece on this aspect. Some others, like "The dawns are quite here" (link to imdb) focus on other topics brilliantly, ans grasp your breath and your heart like no other. Often, these movies are from books masterly written in a way only a Russian soul may convey, however red it may be. Make no mistake, it's not because it was made in a certain era that it is deprived of all the sensitiveness, all the emotion, all the melancholy and fatality you may expect from a Russian heart and its work of art.

And, to come to the defense of the above-mentioned Stalingrad, what the movie lacks in rhythm, it is certainly not lacking in authenticity. I know some may say that the last dozens minutes are boring, but seriously, the only objective reason why you'd be incline to praise a boring patrol moment of Das Boot more than an escape from the Kessel is Klaus Doldinger's music. No offense intended, I like them both, and they are great allegories of that big mess of a waste. You'll feel the cries, the agony, the revolt in every soviet movie about the war. Now feel what the German side felt when the snow slowly eats down what remains of the last soldier of the movie, just like Russia and the steppes chewed down the Wehrmacht to its last bits. Das Boot and Stalingrad are about how war wastes lives of good men in a crazy gamble against all odds, and I do find them equally admirable in their own way. But at the same time, don't forget to have a look at what the Russians have to say about their own rape - watch three or four movies, you'll see how the Eastern Front, when it comes to movies, is already quite well served with talent.


Unfortunately post WWII USSR war movies tend to be in two "flavors":

#1
Pure communist propaganda (most of the post WWII USSR war movies were like that) films that had almost no historical value (similar to many post WWII USSR war book and official histories which were almost all heavily "beautified" and which can not be regarded as objective historical books at all).

The shining examples is:

"Liberation" ("Osvobozhdenie") series (5 movies):

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151852/

More info here as well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_%28film_series%29



#2
Artistic movies by some great directors that dealt with individual persons rather than "big picture" - those are usually great and very worth watching!

The best examples, IMHO, are (as I already wrote):

"My name is Ivan" ("Ivanovo detstvo")

by Andrey Tarkovskiy from 1962!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056111/combined


"Watch and See" ("Idi i smotri")

by Elem Klimov from 1985!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/combined



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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/3/2012 5:08:54 PM   
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Apollo, I beg your pardon, if I may add, it's rather "come (Idi) and see (Smotri)"
From John's Apocalypse and the break of the seals by the lamb, releasing the four horsemen, and thus God's infinite wrath upon mankind...

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/3/2012 5:13:00 PM   
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Well, Stalingrad isn't so historically accurate. Some examples:
-The surrender bit. This is where I find the movie quite confusing. Paulus vacilated greatly on the topic of his surrender. He gave the impression right until the end that he was going to commit suicide, which lead many of his staff and generals to shoot themselves. Then he changed his mind as the Soviets where outside his command post. It was a very chaotic affair, not a marching with hands held high kind of deal.
-The whole desertion bit. Despite his many (many) flaws, Paulus managed to keep discipline in the 6th Army's ranks through some fairly draconian measures. Of course a lot of chaos was occuring, but the 6th Army resisted for much longer than the Soviets and anyone else expected them to.
- The operation Uranus part (hospital). When the Soviets sprang Uranus the Germans had effectively taken the city. The Soviets held a small slither of the riverbank by turning the sewer exit pipes on the Volga into fortified bunkers, which the Germans which the Germans were not able to evict them of.

But mostly its just a very disjointed film, and its hard to make sense of it, not to mention the bad Nazi character that seems to be everywhere and whose only function is to be evil. If I had to compare Stalingrad to another work it would probably be Les Miserables, both are stories where its clear that the author has a message he wants to get across through the characters he develops (in absolute terms), and considers other elements (such as plot consistency and pacing) to be of secondary importance, which gives these stories an operatic quality. Les Miserables is called the story of coincidences and Stalingrad follows a similar vein, in my mind.

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RE: Stalingrad Full Movie with english subtitles - 6/18/2012 10:48:22 PM   
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