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Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/26/2012 7:22:50 PM   
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I have a thread in the tech forum. It seems that if "not enough supply etc " a mission will not even form up to be cancelled, and thus leave a little clue behind as why.... I am most concerned with the "etc"

Mission Sweep 23000 feet. Units Morale 99, leadershp 72, Air 66, Suplies 37,000, weather rain, ..mission does not even form up to be cancelled. For four turns i have been trying to bomb Tavoy but no joy in even getting the mission to form up and I have not even a little clue as to why ..

So .. what are the "etc" that prevents air groups from forming up to even be cancelled?? I know abou tthe superior KB thing . no contact here ..what else?
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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/26/2012 7:34:21 PM   
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Airfield size ? Commanders aggressivness ?

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/26/2012 7:40:45 PM   
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Airfield size ? Commanders aggressivness ?


airfield size 7 rangoon .. you might have a point in agressiveness .. two groups 37/46 the other two groups .. 62/67 .. I wonder if one group can pull down the whole mission? I will change leaders this turn on a new group just formed ..

It would be nice to get a message: Commander 'X' really does not like killing things and prefers to garden today ...


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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/26/2012 7:43:04 PM   
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It would be nice to get a message: Commander 'X' really does not like killing things and prefers to garden today ...



Indeed, indeed


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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/26/2012 8:04:53 PM   
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Even not flying due to low morale is sketchy

low morale would mean the planes fly but turn back easily when faced with the enemy
( "elements of Genzan-Ku turning back!!" )

If the supreme command ordered you to fly, disobeying it would mean a trip
to the stockade, and eventually to the gallows (or hara kiri in this case?)

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/26/2012 8:29:38 PM   
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Even not flying due to low morale is sketchy

low morale would mean the planes fly but turn back easily when faced with the enemy
( "elements of Genzan-Ku turning back!!" )

If the supreme command ordered you to fly, disobeying it would mean a trip
to the stockade, and eventually to the gallows (or hara kiri in this case?)


Nope ..The Brits own Rangoon in 43 4 RAF groups trying to sweep Tavoy .. I changed it 4 turns ago to escort bombers siliently the missions did not go .. and since then .. I have not been able to get a mission to "organized" to launch .. and no error message as to why? I changed back to sweep just to do something .. and still no joy ..

The IJ are offloading 3 divisions right now devoid of aircover completly unopposed under my 200 bombers .. i can't even sweep!!!

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/26/2012 8:31:36 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Airfield size ? Commanders aggressivness ?


airfield size 7 rangoon .. you might have a point in agressiveness .. two groups 37/46 the other two groups .. 62/67 .. I wonder if one group can pull down the whole mission?




The lady is right, very much looks like an Agg issue.

It is possible for one group to influence the whole strike. There is one lead group designated for an attack (IIRC by either exp or cdr leadership rating).
Then additional units are added to the mission. If the lead unit does not fly, there is a chance the others stay grounded as well I think.

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/26/2012 8:35:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LoBaron


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ORIGINAL: Crackaces


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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Airfield size ? Commanders aggressivness ?


airfield size 7 rangoon .. you might have a point in agressiveness .. two groups 37/46 the other two groups .. 62/67 .. I wonder if one group can pull down the whole mission?




The lady is right, very much looks like an Agg issue.

It is possible for one group to influence the whole strike. There is one lead group designated for an attack (IIRC by either exp or cdr leadership rating).
Then additional units are added to the mission. If the lead unit does not fly, there is a chance the others stay grounded as well I think.


Ok .. still would be nice to get a message to this effect ..

WCDR Fairly LDR 48 Agg 37 is about to have an accident .. I will let the group know if this changes the situation ..

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/26/2012 8:41:34 PM   
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Make that a car accident, as chances to make it look like a plane crash are pretty slim with those values...

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/26/2012 9:09:55 PM   
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also Air HQ Aggression may have some effect

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/26/2012 9:23:10 PM   
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Nope

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/26/2012 11:32:27 PM   
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Nope


Just to add to the situation Fairly accidently runs into a prop and is replaced with an agression 71 .. sweeps go off ... Now if this is the reason 200 4E's and 2E's did not fly either that is pretty borked ..

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/27/2012 12:02:01 AM   
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"remember, a fighter pilots number 1 skill is to know when to run away"
"a fine line between cowardice and cleverness"

~ Red Baron the movie

low aggression rating


mechanic: "the wing's punctured, no time to repair it"
Tomonaga: "left tank full?!"
mechanic: "yes sir.. but"
Tomonaga: *jumps into B5N kate on 1 way mission"

~ Midway the movie

high aggression rating








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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/27/2012 12:57:31 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf



"remember, a fighter pilots number 1 skill is to know when to run away"
"a fine line between cowardice and cleverness"

~ Red Baron the movie

low aggression rating


mechanic: "the wing's punctured, no time to repair it"
Tomonaga: "left tank full?!"
mechanic: "yes sir.. but"
Tomonaga: *jumps into B5N kate on 1 way mission"

~ Midway the movie

high aggression rating




Hmmmm more in this case .. "There is a dent in my wing!!!" No fighter groups or bomber groups shall fly today until this is fixed!!!

I fixed the problem .. it would be nice it get a message but thanks for all your help guys!!!

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/28/2012 9:44:08 PM   
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Nope


Just to add to the situation Fairly accidently runs into a prop and is replaced with an agression 71 .. sweeps go off ... Now if this is the reason 200 4E's and 2E's did not fly either that is pretty borked ..


Wow! This is a bit odd. One low-aggression squadron leader and the whole mission gets canceled? Ouch! Gotta pay more attention to leader ratings.

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/29/2012 1:35:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Just to add to the situation Fairly accidently runs into a prop and is replaced with an agression 71 .. sweeps go off ... Now if this is the reason 200 4E's and 2E's did not fly either that is pretty borked ..


Wow! This is a bit odd. One low-aggression squadron leader and the whole mission gets canceled? Ouch! Gotta pay more attention to leader ratings.


"Borked" doesn't begin to cover it. I would dearly love to have someone show us just ONE historical example of 200+ A/C not flying an ordered mission because one Squadron Leader has the "shakes". Utter nonsense is more like it...

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/29/2012 2:13:26 PM   
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Thing is, WitP AE and predecessors have always been hybrid games with regards to what can be directly influenced and what not. Certain areas
are only controllable through indirect means, and one of those means is aggression. It always has been this way.

You can deliberately assign commanders with either low or high, or average agg (this applies to air, naval, and land warfare) and benefit from your selection. To use the aggression rating as a means to predict what your unit will do under specific circumstances simply enhances your control over tactical situations.

To debate whether this is 'borked' or 'unrealistic' while ignoring it as a feature only harms your own play.

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/29/2012 2:51:39 PM   
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It's not so much the leader gets the "shakes". Rather it's finding reasons not to fly missions for valid reasons. An aggressive commander will fly the mission even when bad things are happening while a low aggression commander will abort a mission for any reason. I have seen and heard this happen in real life with aircraft missions.


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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/30/2012 2:47:46 AM   
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quote:

Hmmmm more in this case .. "There is a dent in my wing!!!" No fighter groups or bomber groups shall fly today until this is fixed!!!



pilots : "you would be aware of the considerable naval presence.. well.. in a great many parts of the theatre.. perhaps the general can share his intentions?"

Air General : "I intend to SING to them!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cETzMxRqDwY


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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/30/2012 3:01:55 AM   
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quote:

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Thing is, WitP AE and predecessors have always been hybrid games with regards to what can be directly influenced and what not. Certain areas
are only controllable through indirect means, and one of those means is aggression. It always has been this way.

You can deliberately assign commanders with either low or high, or average agg (this applies to air, naval, and land warfare) and benefit from your selection. To use the aggression rating as a means to predict what your unit will do under specific circumstances simply enhances your control over tactical situations.

To debate whether this is 'borked' or 'unrealistic' while ignoring it as a feature only harms your own play.


How did you learn this? this is a rhetorical question .. my beef was that zero nadda .. feedback so I can learn this without trolling a forum .... problem . my oppoent does not read these forums . he is at an extreme disadvatage ...

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RE: Aircraft Missions not Flying - 5/30/2012 6:07:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Crackaces


quote:

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

Thing is, WitP AE and predecessors have always been hybrid games with regards to what can be directly influenced and what not. Certain areas
are only controllable through indirect means, and one of those means is aggression. It always has been this way.

You can deliberately assign commanders with either low or high, or average agg (this applies to air, naval, and land warfare) and benefit from your selection. To use the aggression rating as a means to predict what your unit will do under specific circumstances simply enhances your control over tactical situations.

To debate whether this is 'borked' or 'unrealistic' while ignoring it as a feature only harms your own play.


How did you learn this? this is a rhetorical question .. my beef was that zero nadda .. feedback so I can learn this without trolling a forum .... problem . my oppoent does not read these forums . he is at an extreme disadvatage ...


By making lots and lots of mistakes over a decade of playing these series, and asking myself how they happened. Thats part of the fun.

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