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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/27/2012 5:59:13 AM   
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I almost forgot to post the losses of 13Dec41:


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/27/2012 9:05:38 PM   
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Larry posted the sinkings from Dec13th... I never absorbed a beating like that in one day, The TF routing for my aforementioned Eastbound AK TF somehow ended back into the Celebes Sea... directly in the path of TWO CA/DD Surface TF's!!!

All I can post on my side of the ledger is two possible hits on SS's hanging around Pearl Harbor... I snuck my CV's into Pearl & NW America to change some escorts and minor repairs etc. Now keeping them safe yet not TOO far out of the fight...




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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 12:38:00 AM   
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It's Sunday 27May2012 and Jim did a super quick turn around on his moves and I received them and loaded the file and watched the combat replay and loaded the file into Tracker and here's some of the alerts:


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 1:24:19 AM   
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Jim ran a suicide mission for a minelayer to Miri where it layed a minefield before it was sunk and the fact that it was a minelayer should have given me a clue as to it's mission but NOOoooo. And one of my ships wandered into it and was heavily damaged. I've got some minesweepers on the way there now.




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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 2:50:46 AM   
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Well, I don't think that your flak defense at Miri will be tested for a year or two or three.  I don't think I would have risked a major minelayer there.  Mines are usually in short supply anyway.  Getting hits on CAs is worth a lot though.  Lay them where you expect the CAs to come in and bombard.  You won't sink them but you can put them up in drydock for a month or two.  In this area combine your mine laying with patrols by those very good Dutch subs and you may sink something valuable. 

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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 3:46:44 AM   
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Well, I don't think that your flak defense at Miri will be tested for a year or two or three.

Actually, I was planning on moving the INF at Miri to Singkawang and was just unloading the AA unit to get them off the ship(s). They, the AA unit, will eventually make their way via ship to Singkawang too probably. I plan on moving some AA units to Rabaul and that area as well.

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I don't think I would have risked a major minelayer there.  Mines are usually in short supply anyway.  Getting hits on CAs is worth a lot though.  Lay them where you expect the CAs to come in and bombard.  You won't sink them but you can put them up in drydock for a month or two.  In this area combine your mine laying with patrols by those very good Dutch subs and you may sink something valuable. 

This is good advice Jimbo. Are Jap mines in short supply too? I could use them to prevent the incursion of Allied ships sortie-ing out of Singapore I'm guessing. There's a boat-load of bombers and fighters at Singapore right now and laying any mines within their range would be a suicide mission right now but maybe after I've attritted the aircraft a lot maybe it'd be worth trying to lay some mines around Singapore?

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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 3:48:52 AM   
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Someone, I forget who now, suggested I do some sweeps of Clark Field before I do any further bombing and that sounded like really good advice to me........so I ordered up some Zero's in addition to the Oscars and Nates, to do some sweeps. This is just the first of many raids on Clark Field.


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 3:52:08 AM   
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Gorn,

Funny you should mention CA's....

The CM was sent from around Singers - there was NO TF's there when I sent it...It was coming BACK when the preinvasion at Miri occurred - it actually was attacked/sank around Kuching IIRC.

I'm waiting with Air Assets around Singers for an invasion & bombardment TF, Larry's too smart for that - He'll just come in overland...buying me an extra week for Singers...

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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 3:59:53 AM   
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I thought some sweeping was in order at Wake as well. There's a situation developing here at Wake as there is an Allied sub headed for Wake and I'm predicting that Jim will park it at Wake to help prevent any further bombarding of the island and or any Jap reinforcement of the land forces there. I guess we're about to see if the KB can conduct ASW operations as well as sweeps.


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 4:10:29 AM   
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I thought some sweeping was in order at Wake as well. There's a situation developing here at Wake as there is an Allied sub headed for Wake and I'm predicting that Jim will park it at Wake to help prevent any further bombarding of the island and or any Jap reinforcement of the land forces there. I guess we're about to see if the KB can conduct ASW operations as well as sweeps.





Now would I do something like that?????

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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 4:11:03 AM   
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I have a couple of comments about this picture, which has been sanitized somewhat for OPSEC purposes. (1) My bomber losses are remarkably low which could be due to the earlier sweeping of Clark Field or maybe due to the fact that Jim doesn't have any LRCAP set up. And (2) the Allied losses seem low to me for the number of bombers I sent. But I'm not complaining all that much because it's better than it could have been by far.Several more raids like this one and some reinforcements finally arriving in San Fernamdo will see the opportunity to start some serious DA's.


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 4:19:00 AM   
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This is the second of the morning sweeps of Clark Field and even though the Zero's were outnumbered they still showed good performance. Maybe the rest of Jim CAP hadn't yet taken off or something. Or maybe we've seen the last of the Allied Clark Field CAP with this raid.


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 4:30:54 AM   
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I can see that I need to put the Oscars near Kota Bharu on some other mission than Airfield Attack. They tend to get shot down in droves when operating in the presence of flak.


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 4:40:18 AM   
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Larry,

I've learned if Fighters are going to bomb - on the deck is one of the worst places... I usually keep them 2-3K ft (or maybe 1K).

A lower altitude = higher damages/losses.
Maybe its not true when you get to highly experienced, but I gave up on the deck bombing as too costly- unless I KNOW the enemy has no AA guns.

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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 4:52:00 AM   
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Larry,

I've learned if Fighters are going to bomb - on the deck is one of the worst places... I usually keep them 2-3K ft (or maybe 1K).

A lower altitude = higher damages/losses.
Maybe its not true when you get to highly experienced, but I gave up on the deck bombing as too costly- unless I KNOW the enemy has no AA guns.

I'm finding this to be good advice.

After the morning sweeps cleared out the Wildcats the later bombing runs went off without a hitch. This is the kind of results I'm talking about.


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 4:59:43 AM   
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I need to get my boys on Kavieng a(some) AA unit(s) or some CAP or both. They can't do their jobs if they are constantly ducking bombs.


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 5:06:09 AM   
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Some of the fleeing Allied ships might get away but some of these didn't. This image has been heavily edited for OPSEC.


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 5:12:05 AM   
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A couple of attacks like this one might be all it takes at San Fernando.


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 5:23:33 AM   
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Now the ground units on Guam can head off to Wake or somewhere.


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 12:53:56 PM   
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Japanese side-of-things update: I'm figuring I'm about 1/2 the way through all the initial landings phase and the easy part. The rest of the landings are going to have to be orchestrated where I'll have to do some major-clearing-the-way fighting through all the Allied ships defending and THEN the landings. I'm thinking of doing it like water spreading out in the garden....the easiest landings first and then the major hard parts last where I can concentrate the appropriate amount of force to facilitate the actual landing. I'm learning that I have to have the engineers, AA units, aircraft etc. in the closely following second-wave of landings in order to keep what I've gained. Jim has some Hudson's making raids on my dudes in Kavieng and I don't have the appropriate CAP or AA units in place yet and I'm needlessly loosing people. Actually he hasn't done a great amount of damage yet, but the principle is the same. The economy hasn't crashed yet and appears to be on track still and it's still a great deal of fun to be in charge of production this way. The Japs have just short of 600+ TF's to move so my moves to Jim take almost a full day to get through whereas his moves to me are probably just an exercise taking probably an hour or less. Jim would have a better estimate of the time involved but that's what it was for me when I was playing the Jap AI recently. This is still a fabulous game and I'm glad I bought it on a whim about six months ago. I'm learning by leaps and bounds and I really appreciate the expert advice coming our way. Maybe I'll be able to help make this AAR more interesting by doing some unorthodox strategic thing pretty soon but so far it's been along historical lines. I'm learning how recon is important and the naval searches before leaping are a must. Jim has surprised me about a half a dozen times already. Good game......I'm glad Jim is playing me. We're both learning I figure.

I don't see the anchor symbol at Manila anymore so I'm wondering if there's some more ships there or not. I was expecting more sub problems. Jim has a couple of subs operating near the Japanese Home Islands and one just east of North Borneo and one near Wake but that's all I've been able to spy. I have no idea where his carriers are which is a bit worrying. He could make a carrier raid some place that I'm not in force and wreck all kinds of good plans. I'm in the still-expanding phase of things and a really good carrier raid could be a major setback. Maybe I should split up the KB and spread out the force. Maybe not.......I donno.

I'm getting all kinds of resources out of Hokkaido. Thanks to a really good suggestion from an expert I thought to go there for most of my resource needs and it's been working out pretty good so far. Most of the oil is sucked out of Sakalin or whatever that base is near the Soviets way up northeast. I'm going to have to let it recharge before I get much out of there again. It's down to about 300 barrels of oil ( or whatever the measure is ). I like to think of the oil as coming in 55-gallon barrels, food coming in pounds, supplies coming by the pallet, etc.

I'm running into the Dutch air force on Borneo and there's some troublesome Australian Hudsons at Kavieng. The Rabaul invasion is in the initial stages. I'm going to have to ship some aircraft and or AA units or both down there pretty quick or lose some people. There's a bunch of ground forces still in Truk to be moved and a bunch of stuff at Samah to ship somewhere and I've seen a division or two in the home islands that I can employ somewhere yet, probably in the PI. I haven't given much thought to landings in the SRA yet. I know Palembang is a good thing to have in your basket but it's still too early yet to look very far in that direction I figure. Besides there's all those aircraft at Singapore that I need to attrit yet. It seems that Jim has pulled everybody toward Singapore and I'm guessing the land forces are headed that way too. I may have to land at Mersing to try to get between his land forces and safety but that seems expensive in ships and people so I don't know about that. Lemme think about that some more.

I've started running some fuel / supplies to the smaller dot-hexes non-bases way out in the middle of nowhere so as to be ready to ship some engineers in there to make a base. I want to be able to fly planes out to the out-of-the-way places rather than having to ship them in you see.

I'm toying with the idea of flying some of my carrier based planes to Kavieng and or Rabaul and then racing the empty carriers to the Home Islands to get some more planes but that seems risky especially with not knowing where the Allied carriers are. I may have to run some subs with float planes into the west coast to take a look around. I'm not sure how many of those kinds of subs I have but whatever the integer is it's not big enough.

I've given up on employing the midget subs in any significant numbers.....it's just a really long trip to the home islands to get them and then a really long trip to the place where they might be useful that makes the time off-station too much to stomach. Maybe in the later-war period it might be valuable to do that when I can build midgets in Truk or someplace closer to the action.

It's 06:07 on 28May2012 and I've just sent my moves to Jim and I'm waiting impatiently for his moves back. He usually is very quick returning his moves.....I mean just a matter of hours. So I'm guessing I'll be posting some more stuff shortly. Maybe.

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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/28/2012 5:00:42 PM   
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My take from the Allies side;

Larry has done a great job of minding his TF's - I'd complain about how they're everywhere and getting into everything and I cant seem to do a d*mn thing to stop him...LOL EXCEPT that's how it went in real life!

I am reduced to harrassing him with Hudsons, keeping the carriers out of harms way and look for good spots to take my shots...sound familiar history buffs?

So far in the ahistorical sense, I need to preserve my shipping, Larry's hunter-killer Surface Combat TF's are deadly and I don't want him turning them loose in SW Pacific.

Contrary to Gorn's opinion - I wasn't suicide-running my CM's, each one got a port to mine that I figured I was going to lose (Port that is) and only one got caught. (and she was halfway back home to boot) I can see why it looked that way - but my other option is to do nothing and lose the CM when Singers gets taken down...

I thought about sending (fleeing) more ships to Colombo, BUT LBA sank the first TF I sent towards Colombo. and it will only get worse with time...

Yeah Larry - I've got some diabolically evil (insert manic laugh here...) PLAN with the can't shoot straight gang, Actually my SS are setting pickets as observers where I think your going to go next, and a few to watch your invasions too!

Overall - I'm about average vs real life, so far. I've lost a little more shipping and less Capital ships than Admiral Kimmel did so far...

China is perplexing me - several units I've set to move - just sit there turn after turn... It doesnt seem to be a supply problem, its not a garrison problem, maybe they have no confidence in thier Commander??? (the most likely answer!)

I got Larry's turn and will look at the Combat Report and run a Tracker report also before finishing this turn... I'm averaging about 1 1/2 hours to finish a turn, and I'm always left feeling like I forgot to do something. The advantage of single turn days is it doesnt kill you to forget - try doing that with 3 day turns!!!

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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/29/2012 12:14:42 AM   
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Okie dokie.....it's Monday 16:14 tucson time and I've received Jim's moves and here's some Tracker Alerts:


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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 5/29/2012 12:17:06 AM   
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I'm going to leave a lot out of the combat report and there may be a reader or two who want to see the whole thing so just click on the link below, then click on the filename, then resize the window to see the report.

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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 6/1/2012 2:45:55 AM   
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Apologies - my A/C unit took a unique "time out" - turns out "old" TGV valve went bad, it has TWO white gaskets. NEW TGV valve from different manufacturer has ONE blue gasket. this option leaves ONE connector still leaking because condenser fitting also needs valve gasket...

the A/C distributor's response = A/C coil will ALSO have to be replaced... its not covered under warranty because nothing is wrong with coil(but of course $50 valve IS covered) O R we dumpster dive for a "double ring nylon gasket fitting" Obviously option 2 is taken.

Three of the most humid days this year we live without A/C while scouring South and Central Jersey refrigeration and HVAC businesses for said gasket... Day four (today) we hit paydirt! of course today is one of the nicest sunny low humidity days of the year... but were back in the saddle and I'll have some notes up as soon as I finish and send my turn to Larry.
Thanks for your patience...and back to the War!

Jim

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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 6/1/2012 12:24:54 PM   
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Your A/C adventures reminds me of the time about 10 years ago during winter in Cincinnatti when I had a different kind of situation but similar sortof. I was cold soaked, wearing gloves, and I turned the heater knob in my Buick Starfire ( or whatever it was ) a bit too far and stripped out the plastic flat place on the knob leaving the heater going full blast without a way to turn it off. I thought to myself well now that's going to cost about 50 cents for a new knob. But a trip to the Buick dealer revealed that you can't buy just one knob.....they come in a package of three of them for something like seven dollars. I thought it was highway robbery but paid it. When I bought a new car some years later there were two unused knobs in the glove box.

Hey, I just had a thought about OPSEC, which we've been ignoring. Maybe I should post stuff delayed for a turn or two just so I don't give away the position of my ships in the pictures I post. I've been doing a lot of post-production on the pictures which makes posting pictures time consuming and confusing.......so delayed posting is a win-win for me at least. Cool? 10-4?

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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 6/1/2012 1:38:54 PM   
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Affirmative - we'll hold to a week delay? (mistakes at your own peril?) LOL works for me!

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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 6/1/2012 2:01:14 PM   
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I just now received Jim's moves and ran the combat replay etc. Here's some Tracker alerts:




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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 6/2/2012 12:48:44 AM   
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Larry has over a page of alerts - I have none, so to compensate for haviing nothing good to report...
I'm aping Larrys Industry chart from Tracker, I cant make changes soooo...
E N J O Y !




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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 6/2/2012 4:05:30 AM   
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Larry has over a page of alerts - I have none....

You DO realize that you have to load turns to get alerts, right? Menu item turn->Load Turn

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RE: Parry and Spar, or is it... Reluctant Admiral 4.2 ... - 6/2/2012 9:11:50 AM   
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For those of you who want to see the combat report in it's entirety I've posted it below:

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