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carrier aircraft replacement - 5/19/2012 3:11:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are destroyed aircraft on carriers replaced? If so which is better/faster? Letting the a/c remain on the carriers or moving them to a base?

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/19/2012 3:13:55 PM   
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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/19/2012 4:03:39 PM   
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Are destroyed aircraft on carriers replaced? If so which is better/faster? Letting the a/c remain on the carriers or moving them to a base?

Thanks



Leave them on the CV and move the CV to port. You do not need to move the a/c to a base replace them. A/c will replace at sea but only if you have a replacement units aboard CVEs, which you eventually get 15 US and 5 or 6 Br. Note you can also replace pilots in the same way.

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/21/2012 2:17:42 AM   
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quote:

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Are destroyed aircraft on carriers replaced? If so which is better/faster? Letting the a/c remain on the carriers or moving them to a base?

Thanks



Leave them on the CV and move the CV to port. You do not need to move the a/c to a base replace them. A/c will replace at sea but only if you have a replacement units aboard CVEs, which you eventually get 15 US and 5 or 6 Br. Note you can also replace pilots in the same way.



These CVEs with the replacement squadrons (VR squadrons) need to be in Replenishment TFs in order to work, if I understand the system correctly.

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/21/2012 3:35:05 AM   
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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/21/2012 4:48:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		The CVEs with VR squadrons arrive much earlier than late '43. As soon as you get one out it in a replenishment TF and it will fly off replacement aircraft to any CV squadron that is within range, in need of replacement aircraft and uses the same type of aircraft that are in that CVE's VR squadrons.

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/21/2012 7:28:23 AM   
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Status: online 		USN CVE/VR ReplTFs are the greatest! in combo w/ AOs, you can support extended USN CV TF ops. but they are way overloaded w/ planes - the overload doesn't prevent them from flying replacement aircraft to in-range carriers, but they can't fly combat sorties of their own, so they'll be v. vulnerable. the VR sqns will train pilots normally, also they can be flown off to land bases, from where they'll still be able to provide replacements to in-range CVs. or you can split VR sqns into 3 parts, fly 2 off to land bases, and resize them as needed. max them out w/ pilots, for training.

i'm in a DBB_B GC, and CVE Copahee arrives at Tacoma in 8/42 w/ fighter & DB VR sqns. 3 more CVE/VR ships will arrive at Tacoma in 10/42, yum.

bradfordkay mentions a good point - VR sqn replacements must match the plane-type. you must make a decision about CV sqn upgrades, if you want to support the upgrade from a CVE/VR sqn, you might want to wait on the upgrade 'til production allows you to upgrade the supporting VR sqn.

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/21/2012 9:20:33 AM   
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bradfordkay mentions a good point - VR sqn replacements must match the plane-type. you must make a decision about CV sqn upgrades, if you want to support the upgrade from a CVE/VR sqn, you might want to wait on the upgrade 'til production allows you to upgrade the supporting VR sqn.



Yeh! very important. I got caught like that early game.

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/21/2012 3:37:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Didn't know about the CVE's and replacements I just assumed I had to fly whole squadrons on and off. Will it work with any type carrier in a replenishment TF. I just had the Hermes put out of Pearl with a load of aircraft for one of my carriers. Until now my plan was for the receiving carrier to move its busted squadron to Midway and then have Hermes send its planes to the receiving carrier. Later Hermes would pick up the squadron on Midway and bring it back to Pearl. Would switching it to a replenishment TF work as described in the earlier posts?

Thanks for the earlier replies everyone.


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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/21/2012 4:41:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the squadrons on the Hermes are VR squadrons, then it should work fine.

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/23/2012 4:16:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Side note for new JFBs:
Japanese CVEs and their airgroups cannot be used as mobile aircraft replacement sources the same way the US CVEs + VR squadrons can be used.

As a JFB, you can correct an IJN mistake(?) - the Brits created the CVE design for ASW, but the IJN did not use CVEs for ASW until late in the war. On the flip side, the Americans did not have to use their CVEs for ASW because the ineffective IJN sub doctrine. By employing a different sub doctrine, an IJN player may be able to pull American CVEs into ASW duties.

source:
http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/E/s/Escort_Carriers.htm

Wow - just found a 396-page book dedicated to just covering CVEs during WWII:
Escort Carriers in the Pacific: A History of All Escort Carriers in the Pacific During World War II
http://books.google.com/books/about/Escort_Carriers_in_the_Pacific.html?id=bIfjGj8-cDMC

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/23/2012 10:11:47 PM   
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Didn't know about the CVE's and replacements I just assumed I had to fly whole squadrons on and off. Will it work with any type carrier in a replenishment TF. I just had the Hermes put out of Pearl with a load of aircraft for one of my carriers. Until now my plan was for the receiving carrier to move its busted squadron to Midway and then have Hermes send its planes to the receiving carrier. Later Hermes would pick up the squadron on Midway and bring it back to Pearl. Would switching it to a replenishment TF work as described in the earlier posts?

Thanks for the earlier replies everyone.



The answer is yes, It's not the carrier but the air unit that provides the replacements BUT the carrier does need to be in a repenishment TF. Unless you lose one of these carrier there should be no need to put the Vr units on a different carrier. Below is a list of CVEs with their Vr units as they arrive but ignore the model, that's what mine current have not what arrives.


Name Model Location Max
VRF-8F F6F-3 Hellcat CVE Admiralty Island 27
VRF-8T TBM-3 Avenger CVE Admiralty Islands 27
VRF-2F F6F-5 Hellcat CVE Altamaha 28
VRF-2T TBM-3 Avenger CVE Altamaha 28
VRF-6F FM-2 Wildcat CVE Barnes 28
VRF-6T TBM-3 Avenger CVE Barnes 28
VRF-15F F6F-5 Hellcat CVE Block Island 33
VRF-15T TBM-3 Avenger CVE Block Island 33
VRF-4F FM-2 Wildcat CVE Breton 28
VRF-4T TBM-3 Avenger CVE Breton 28
VRF-13F F6F-5 Hellcat CVE Cape Gloucester 33
VRF-13FB F4U-1D Corsair CVE Cape Gloucester 33
VRF-7F F6F-5 Hellcat CVE Casablanca 27
VRF-7B SB2C-4 Helldiver CVE Casablanca 27
VRF-11F F6F-5 Hellcat CVE Commencement Bay 33
VRF-11FB F4U-1D Corsair CVE Commencement Bay 33
VRF-3F F6F-5 Hellcat CVE Copahee 28
VRF-3B SB2C-4 Helldiver CVE Copahee 28
VRF-12F F6F-5 Hellcat CVE Gilbert Islands 33
VRF-12T TBM-1C Avenger CVE Gilbert Islands 33
VRF-9F F6F-5 Hellcat CVE Kasaan Bay 27
VRF-9B SB2C-4 Helldiver CVE Kasaan Bay 27
VRF-1F F6F-5 Hellcat CVE Nassau 28
VRF-1B SB2C-4 Helldiver CVE Nassau 28
VRF-5F F6F-5 Hellcat CVE Prince William 28
VRF-5B SB2C-4 Helldiver CVE Prince William 28
VRF-10F F6F-3 Hellcat CVE Takanis Bay 27
VRF-10T TBM-3 Avenger CVE Takanis Bay 27
VRF-14F F6F-5 Hellcat CVE Vella Gulf 33
VRF-14T TBM-1C Avenger CVE Vella Gulf 33


No 797 Sqn FAA Corsair IV CVE Activity 24
No 722 Sqn FAA Barracuda II CVE Fencer 24
No 706 Sqn FAA Avenger II CVE Ranee 24
No 723 Sqn FAA Seafire L.III CVE Pursuer 24
No 742 Sqn FAA Hellcat I CVE Striker 24

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/23/2012 10:20:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm... I didn't know that there were VR squadrons in the FAA. I'm going to need to make a note of that!

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/24/2012 9:22:51 AM   
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Hmm... I didn't know that there were VR squadrons in the FAA. I'm going to need to make a note of that!


Isn't it amazing, you think you've got the game sussed then you learn something new. The US was kind enough to use a designation to indicate Vr, not us Brits, anything to confuse. The only way you know in the game is with the words 'replenishment group' written after the resize option.

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/24/2012 12:30:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do the VR squadron's work the same as regular squadrons or are they solely replacements? I've only made it to June 42 in my game.

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/24/2012 12:43:47 PM   
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Do the VR squadron's work the same as regular squadrons or are they solely replacements? I've only made it to June 42 in my game.


You can use them as regular squadrons. I've ofen removed one of the replacement squadrons to allow the CVE's to be used to provide additional fighter/ASW cover for invasion TFs and the other VR squadron used for land based ops or training.

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RE: carrier aircraft replacement - 5/24/2012 10:48:05 PM   
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Do the VR squadron's work the same as regular squadrons or are they solely replacements? I've only made it to June 42 in my game.



They will but only when the a/c complement is reduced to the normal capacity of the carrier plus the extra percentage (can't remember the figure).

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