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Just finished our second short Uncommon Valor training game, to move onto a third before trying a WITP/WITP-AE guadacanal scenario before playing the big campaign game. As the latter will take actually years to finish, we are each testing what the actual capabilties of each sided assets are in the program.
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Both my opponent and I new to UCV and have only played two UCV games of the early months. As the UCV and basic WITP forums are idle, I wanted to ask the active forum to see if this is considered an actual issue or just a quirk, or its a game not a simulation. In reading the WITP and WITP-AE rulebooks, I do not see a list of what changes were made if any as it applies to this top.
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In last game, Allied B17s operationg out of Austrailia, ignored the crippled IJN CVs between PM and Australia and instead pounded the stationary IJN transports at Buna [unloading over the beach] with success. Adding it up, B17s made 63 sorties, dropped 816 bombs (assume 12x500#), achieved 14 hits with a number of sinkings, while attacking at 22000+ altitude. Bob did some research and found historically B17s/B24s sank 12 ships in 11 months. Our current discussion is are the B17s are too effective in this games; and if so per the program, what self restrictions should we propose.
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We are presently to start the game considering the following house rules between us. B17s cannot select Naval Attack as a primary mission or Naval Attack/Port attack as a secondary mission. This is based on the assumption they are too effective in the initial small numbers, and a major threat to shipping when available in large numbers [if conserved] in 1943. The counter questions are does this tie the Allies hands too much given the inability of Allied LBA to hurt IJN CVs flying CAP. The likelihood the USN will win a ‘Midway’ result in a 4 CV vs 4 CV battle seems unlikely per the previous AAR. The trend is the USN navy is sunk and the IJN sweeps the map.
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A separate issue is we have both found LBAs (Bettys/Nells/various Allied bombers) typically do not attack CV TF that have CAP and cannot be counted on to attack other TFs in general. They find them over and overagin during a turn but do not attack. They will more successfully in striking fixed land targets. I understand there are leadership, moral, experience, and fatique checks, but the Bettys/Nells are relatively elite crews in mid 1942. Operationg out of Guadacanal, they continuously found but did not attack USN CV TF operating 4 hexes off GC as raiders. This remained true when GC was supplemented by IJN CV airgroups (Kates, Vals, Zeros) and USN had two 2xCV TFs operation inconcert. USN can pummel IJN shipping off GC but never suffer an attack (the IJN CVs were out of play),
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