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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/14/2018 8:20:51 PM   
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I'll keep some search going around the perimeter, but if this is the real thing I will look forward to seeing it get in close.


Indeed! The JFB in me salivates at the opportunity to savage a 1945 invasion on a shoestring such as this one. The location of the Death Star is effectively known. What CVE or other CAP coverage could this group have for the trip in? On a related note, where are your Peggy (T) groups right now?


It's probably any Brit CV/CVL/CVE that have arrived in the last 5-6 months. A lot of CVEs and some CVLs arrive if I remember correctly. I'm sure if he had a few good CVs they would go to the North.

The majority of Peggy-T are in the North, with about 100 flying today to hit Alied troops without any AA cover.

There is one group down South, which I've just converted into my first kami unit of the game! I would have kept them with TT but there are limited bases allowing TT here due to HQ placement and supply, so I've had to pick and choose to make sue I'vve got enough coverage on certain vectors and also that I'm as far out of bombing range as possible.Saigon has some Bettys with Oscars. Georgetown has the kami Peggy-T and a TB group. Taiping has some DBs. Pratchup has more TBs. Chumpon has Frances and there are more Frances at Pisanoluke.

He's been dancing around trying to find my range and draw a strike for one a week now. I've got it dialled back and will just wait until the whole mess comes in close enough. Fingers crossed.


When did you get kami capabilities?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/14/2018 8:42:16 PM   
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When did you get kami capabilities?


When he lost Kushiro (sp?)

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/14/2018 9:48:24 PM   
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I'll keep some search going around the perimeter, but if this is the real thing I will look forward to seeing it get in close.


Indeed! The JFB in me salivates at the opportunity to savage a 1945 invasion on a shoestring such as this one. The location of the Death Star is effectively known. What CVE or other CAP coverage could this group have for the trip in? On a related note, where are your Peggy (T) groups right now?


It's probably any Brit CV/CVL/CVE that have arrived in the last 5-6 months. A lot of CVEs and some CVLs arrive if I remember correctly. I'm sure if he had a few good CVs they would go to the North.

The majority of Peggy-T are in the North, with about 100 flying today to hit Alied troops without any AA cover.

There is one group down South, which I've just converted into my first kami unit of the game! I would have kept them with TT but there are limited bases allowing TT here due to HQ placement and supply, so I've had to pick and choose to make sue I'vve got enough coverage on certain vectors and also that I'm as far out of bombing range as possible.Saigon has some Bettys with Oscars. Georgetown has the kami Peggy-T and a TB group. Taiping has some DBs. Pratchup has more TBs. Chumpon has Frances and there are more Frances at Pisanoluke.

He's been dancing around trying to find my range and draw a strike for one a week now. I've got it dialled back and will just wait until the whole mess comes in close enough. Fingers crossed.


When did you get kami capabilities?


Yes, just a few turns ago. I've only converted one group so far, but I'm assessing which others to commit.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/15/2018 2:04:31 AM   
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Wow! Great news!

I don't know about the rest of the peanut gallery, but I'm eagerly anticipating earnest use of a combined aerial assault on his fleet-including lots of Kamikazes.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/15/2018 10:10:42 AM   
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Wow! Great news!

I don't know about the rest of the peanut gallery, but I'm eagerly anticipating earnest use of a combined aerial assault on his fleet-including lots of Kamikazes.


Haha!

I'll be a bit more measured in my response, and kamis will be used periodically, but not wholeheartedly. I want to make good VP balance decisions and target when I see an opportunity.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/15/2018 10:53:49 AM   
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I'm in June '45 against an Ironman Nasty AI and have been facing kamikazes for some time now.

It's tough for them to get through a 1500 plane cap over the DS.

The leakers that do get through have just as tough a time getting through the '45 flak capabilities of the ships.

I have had 3-4 CVEs laid up in repairs at any given time, but have only lost one CVE to kamikazes so far.

The Allied fleet is so huge in mid '45 that a little attrition is not going to have a measurable impact on operations.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/15/2018 8:59:29 PM   
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I'm in June '45 against an Ironman Nasty AI and have been facing kamikazes for some time now.

It's tough for them to get through a 1500 plane cap over the DS.

The leakers that do get through have just as tough a time getting through the '45 flak capabilities of the ships.

I have had 3-4 CVEs laid up in repairs at any given time, but have only lost one CVE to kamikazes so far.

The Allied fleet is so huge in mid '45 that a little attrition is not going to have a measurable impact on operations.


I've felt this even earlier without improved flak. Now it's just tough to hit the DS, at all, even if major strikes get through.

I hope to use the kamis more as a menace to unprotected or less protected shipping. They're not a war winner, but a component of an attritional strategy focusing mostly on airframes, but also some on any shipping I think might be vulnerable. The DS is only in one place at a time, and that concentration of force opens other opportunities, I hope.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/15/2018 8:59:47 PM   
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Feb 22, 1945


Up North on the 21st the DS stays away and the strikes I sent found some targets. Nice to see after a long hiatus of hitting anything on the oceans. It looks like the ships unloading in the clear had some guns and motorised support for the Marine divisions now at Bihoro, so that is doubly good, to nail their rear elements. It would be nice if some of these were the AA guns that are embedded in these divisions too.

I also did get one of the single DD raiders this turn, and surprisingly it was an Jill TB with one fish that sent the Nestor under immediately. I’ll restrict range a bit more next turn but keep these flying.

The ground strikes hit mostly the Marines as well, getting good results. The 1st division will have some filling out to do now and shouldn’t be very resilient if this is a long term battle at Bihoro. Now that Kushiro is winding down I see a movement icon in the direction of Bihoro from Kushiro. I don’t see any others, so I’m going to divert all troops in their set up blocking hexes back and around to Bihoro, leaving only 500AV in the x3 terrain on the road to Muroran and another 500AV in the hex next to Asahikawa. I can always bring a bit more in if he moves that way with some force.

I just realised there are also some 15cm guns of the 31st Special Base Force at Ominato, and I might bring those over to use at Bihoro. That would give a little bit of extra punch. I do have the Wake unit for any future landings on Honshu.

I tried to pull a fragment of the Wake unit off of Paramushiro to get it sunk and thus be able to rebuild it all back on Honshu. I’ll see tomorrow if it got loaded or not in time before the Allies noticed and sunk those ships.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 22, 1945
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Sendai at 119,58, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-15, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
SC CHa-24, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
SC CHa-55, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
SC CHa-76, Shell hits 1, and is sunk


Allied Ships
DD Nestor

Improved night sighting under 82% moonlight

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Night Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 5

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 14
Liberator GR.VI x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 11 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 4 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Liberator GR.VI bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Etorofu , at 128,52

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 43,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 17

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 18
F4F-4 Wildcat x 22
FM-2 Wildcat x 18
F4U-1 Corsair x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 42,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 21

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 15
F4U-1 Corsair x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 19

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on 1st Regiment, at 122,53 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 40
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 45

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 31 (4 destroyed, 27 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 6th Ranger Battalion, at 122,53 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 17
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 49
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
234 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 50
B-29-1 Superfort x 21
B-29-25 Superfort x 49
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 6
P-51D Mustang x 26
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 17
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 12

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 35 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-1 Superfort: 17 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 12 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 13 damaged
PBJ-1J Mitchell: 9 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 16
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PBJ-1J Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 18
F-6D Mustang x 16
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 8
PV-1 Ventura x 39

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 14 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 3 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 3 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 27 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Combined 8th SNLF , at 123,51 (Bihoro)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 6
PV-1 Ventura x 4

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 5 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
PV-1 Ventura: 2 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 20
B5N2 Kate x 17
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 20

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 1
F4U-1 Corsair x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAP Pijnacker Hordijk
xAP Siberg, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Darvel, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Camphuys, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Woolgar, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 43 (39 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 19
B5N2 Kate x 18
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
xAP Kwangtung, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Anshun
xAP Rochussen, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAP Van Riebeek
xAP Pijnacker Hordijk, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 17 (10 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 124,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 44
A6M8 Zero x 39
D4Y4 Judy x 37

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAK John Lykes, Bomb hits 9, and is sunk
xAP Nurmahal, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk
xAK Steel Worker, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk


Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 124,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 16
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 35

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DE Roberts, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Joliet Victory, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk


Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 23 (21 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (28 destroyed, 3 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B7A2 Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,56

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DD Nestor, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Afternoon Air attack on 1st Marine Division, at 124,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 81

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
129 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 48 (15 destroyed, 33 disabled)
Vehicles lost 24 (10 destroyed, 14 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 1st Marine Division, at 124,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 54

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 13 (2 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Kushiro (123,53)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 130822 troops, 2219 guns, 3655 vehicles, Assault Value = 4103

Defending force 22854 troops, 118 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 32

Allied adjusted assault: 4149

Japanese adjusted defense: 19

Allied assault odds: 218 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
13612 casualties reported
Squads: 372 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 807 destroyed, 120 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 96 (90 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 19 (19 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 3


Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

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Ground combat at Bihoro (123,51)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 804 troops, 3 guns, 74 vehicles, Assault Value = 1260

Defending force 67615 troops, 1055 guns, 477 vehicles, Assault Value = 809

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
37th Infantry Div /12
58th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
1st Marine Division
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
5th Marine Division
81st Infantry Div /8

Defending units:
3rd Amphibious Brigade
61st Division
7th Division
52nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
57th Ind.Mixed Brigade
56th Div /3
Combined 8th SNLF
28th Division
50th Ind.Mixed Brigade
53rd Ind.Mixed Bde /2
14th Ind.Mixed Regiment
77th Division
10th Ind.Infantry Bde /2
27th Air Flotilla
7th Base Force
23rd RF Gun Battalion
6th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
177th JAAF AF Bn
27th Army
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
134th AA Regiment
4th Medium Mortar Battalion
12th Field AF Construction Battalion
73rd Field AA Battalion
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
5th Area Army
6th Medium Mortar Battalion
7th Medium Mortar Battalion
35th Army
2nd RF Gun Battalion
1st Base Force
5th RF Gun Battalion
37th Ind. Engr Rgt /1
7th Area Army /2
58th Field AA Battalion
12th RF Gun Battalion
25th RF Gun Battalion
77th JAAF AF Bn
5th Medium Mortar Battalion
6th Ind.Infantry Bde /2

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In a few days there is an influx of divisions arriving, about 15 in total, on the Home Islands. This comes at a crucial time when I can now afford to send any free units to Hokkaido to shore up defenses there.



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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/16/2018 8:01:01 AM   
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A while back someone, I think Chickenboy, asked about my pools. Here is a look at production and pools, as they are, right now. Not much excess in the top line fighters as you can see, but production is cranking. Every day I get about 8 x Frank Ki-84r, 7 x Ki-83, 5 x Oscar IV, 4 x Ki-84b, 4 x Ki-100-II and 3+ Tojo IIc. So 30+ good and decent fighters a day. Oh, and the Randy Ia begins producing at 50/month in March too.

I'll continue to make Oscar IV and Tojo IIc for the duration as they use the Ha-35 engine, which is still plentiful even though I've shifted some of the factories to other more useful types, like the Ha-43 and Ha-45 for the late game.

Right now I'm shifting to an attacking mode where I'll choose my targets rather than setting LR CAP to catch Allied sweeps and bombers. This should allow some groups to flesh out and pools to grow again for a while. The forts and AA can protect Bihoro for the time being, and I'll pop in occasionally to keep him honest. I've not tried yet, but the radar there should make LR CAP much more effective.

There is a decent pool of IIb Oscars that can be used for the arriving training groups and a future kami role, although these will not be as effective with the Allied flak as it is now.




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For the IJNAF I'll be getting 8+ x N1K5 Georges, 6 x Sam (once all factories repair), 3+ x J2M5 Jack, and 1+ x N1K1 George (still building for the 41k max altitude).
It'l take a while to fill out the KB with the Sam, and I've got one group of LBA using them so I can get a feel for where they fit again. It's been a while!

With roughly 20 airframes a day for the IJNAF I'll just keep pace with the Allied naval fighters arriving, although matching Corsair quality is tough. I have to get settings just right in each situation to get near to 1:1 results.

I'm still flying the A6M5 and 5b and would really like to phase these out for training only, but it's a slow process. Dan pushes hard continually as if the Allied pools will never end. I'm thinking he's getting low, but I've been thinking that for a good while now. I am at least seeing day after day of smaller sweeps flying in groups of 8-12, so it is probably now a reality that he can't fill some groups out with top notch airframes. The P-47N starts producing next month, but "only" at 100/month. I need to see if low CAP will still get decent results against that beast.




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To add on to rear area defenses, training groups and for future low strikes and kami use, I've been producing a good number of FB airframes as well. The Nick and Randy are fine still as long as they're not isolated agains Allied sweeps.




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I was wondering how much AA had you in place in the contested hex/location just west of Kushiro

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I was wondering how much AA had you in place in the contested hex/location just west of Kushiro


When my troops were there I had a regiment with 18 x 75mm and radar, another unit with 12 x 75mm, a Base Force with 8 x 12cm DP and 16 x 8cm DP, and all of the embedded AA in the individual units, most of it MG.

Within a week all radars were destroyed and the entire Base Force was disabled, the dedicated AA units kept up some fight, but were about half disabled by the end.

All in all though it wasn't a disaster, as no units were lost completely apart from the original tank unit that entered the hex alone. Most of these will head one hex out of Bihoro now or to Asahikawa to repair, and the garrisons there and from a few other spots will head to Bohoro. I've got three separate Army HQs in Bihoro which are helping tremendously in terms of getting disabled devices back in action.



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On the 23rd it's more of the same. The reinforcements begin to arrive ant Bihoro and the Allied bombardment there is very counter-productive for them, losing 13 vehicles. I've got a lot of arty in hex now and the forts are nicely protecting the troops from Allied strikes. Even the ones that got nailed in the clear are nearly to zero disruption and beginning to fill out. Feeling better about Hokkaido defenses all around after this and the decent land bombing accomplished the last few turns.

The situation is unchanged down South, the Allies continuing to stay offshore and not commit to a landing. Fine by me. I can wait.

Something seems to be happening at the outer Kuriles. The DS attacked the ships I'd sent out there to try and load CD guns, and sank them before the guns were on unfortunately. Some bombing strikes have also hit these bases, and Im wondering if Dan will clean up his LOC before moving on toward Honshu, Korea or another follow-on destination.

Naval strikes again hit unloading ships at Kushiro, and sweeps got to the CAP at Etorofu for about a 2.5:1 ratio, which is great.

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Morning Air attack on Etorofu , at 128,52

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 46,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 16

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 24
F4U-1 Corsair x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 3 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Etorofu , at 128,52

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 13

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 18
F4U-1 Corsair x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 4 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,53

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 61 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 45
B5N2 Kate x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
xAP Le Maire
xAK Hoegh Merchant, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAP Van Diemen
xAP Van Riebeek
xAK Dumosa

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 8 (7 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,53

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 44
A6M8 Zero x 40
D4Y4 Judy x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
xAK Dumosa, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
xAP Le Maire, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
xAP Van Diemen, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
xAP Van Riebeek, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk


Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 112th Cavalry Regiment, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 61
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 72
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 49
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 43
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 84
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 58
Ki-100-II Tony x 34

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
414 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 68 disabled
Non Combat: 36 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 90 (51 destroyed, 39 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Etorofu , at 128,52

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 98 NM, estimated altitude 45,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 27

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 6
F4U-1 Corsair x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on 763rd Tank Battalion, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 9
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27
Ki-100-II Tony x 34

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 22 (20 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 112th Cavalry Regiment, at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 9
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 20

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
116 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 9
B-24J Liberator x 65
B-25H Mitchell x 6
B-25J11 Mitchell x 3
B-29-1 Superfort x 21
B-29-25 Superfort x 57
F-6D Mustang x 13
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 2
P-51D Mustang x 66
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 19
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 10
PV-1 Ventura x 6

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 43 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed by flak
B-25H Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 20 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 39 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 13 damaged
PBJ-1J Mitchell: 6 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PBJ-1J Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 62 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 16
B-29-1 Superfort x 9
B-29-25 Superfort x 26
F-6D Mustang x 3
P-51D Mustang x 4
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 16 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 9 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 20 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 4

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Paramushiro-jima at 137,47

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 20

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
ACM Chokai Maru, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
ACM Tokihime Maru, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SB2C-4 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 3rd NZ Armoured Sqn , at 123,52 , near Kushiro

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 9
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 47
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 18
Ki-100-II Tony x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 11 (9 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Pegu (55,53)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 118432 troops, 1413 guns, 1173 vehicles, Assault Value = 3369

Defending force 124877 troops, 1180 guns, 638 vehicles, Assault Value = 3141

Japanese ground losses:
72 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
195 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 12 (2 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)


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Ground combat at Bihoro (123,51)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 804 troops, 3 guns, 74 vehicles, Assault Value = 1278

Defending force 83408 troops, 1184 guns, 481 vehicles, Assault Value = 1422

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 15 (13 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
58th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st Marine Division
5th Marine Division
37th Infantry Div /12
81st Infantry Div /8

Defending units:
61st Division
77th Division
52nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th Division
14th Ind.Mixed Regiment
57th Ind.Mixed Brigade
28th Division
1st Amphibious Brigade
56th Div /3
3rd Amphibious Brigade
Combined 8th SNLF
7th Division
10th Ind.Infantry Bde /2
77th JAAF AF Bn
73rd Field AA Battalion
5th RF Gun Battalion
134th AA Regiment
5th Area Army
58th Field AA Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
7th Medium Mortar Battalion
1st Base Force
12th Field AF Construction Battalion
27th Army
12th RF Gun Battalion
5th Medium Mortar Battalion
4th Medium Mortar Battalion
177th JAAF AF Bn
6th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
37th Ind. Engr Rgt /1
7th Base Force
35th Army
7th Area Army /2
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
25th RF Gun Battalion
6th Medium Mortar Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
23rd RF Gun Battalion
27th Air Flotilla
6th Ind.Infantry Bde /2

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It's really nice at this stage to results like this in ground attacks. He seems to have left the AA behind on his move to the clear, and isn't willing to throw a LR CAP over these troops just yet. I think I'll switch it up and hit the ones on the South coast next to Kushiro next. There are three units there including some paras, a Canadian brigade and 1st Regiment, which is a larger armoured unit.




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Excellent results from air ground bombing;

You had no CAP over Bihoro at all;

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When my troops were there I had a regiment with 18 x 75mm and radar, another unit with 12 x 75mm, a Base Force with 8 x 12cm DP and 16 x 8cm DP, and all of the embedded AA in the individual units, most of it MG


Why so few?? lack of available AA? oversight?






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Excellent results from air ground bombing;

You had no CAP over Bihoro at all;

Correct. No need.

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When my troops were there I had a regiment with 18 x 75mm and radar, another unit with 12 x 75mm, a Base Force with 8 x 12cm DP and 16 x 8cm DP, and all of the embedded AA in the individual units, most of it MG


Why so few?? lack of available AA? oversight?



That is about the same amount of AA that is at all bases on Hokkaido. Bihoro is now getting some more.

This is where excess AA goes at this point in the game. I can have troops disabled and still fight on. The industry is vital.






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A decent but more quiet day in the air.




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Here is the info screen. The Allies have picked up about 2k since the turn of the year. Mostly Kushiro's points and troop losses. The air war remains a dead heat.




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Excellent results from air ground bombing;
You had no CAP over Bihoro at all;

Correct. No need.

How much AA did you have at Bihoro? Shooing away Allied bombing raids against clear terrain with no help from the air is Japanese wet dream at this point. Although heavy rain in the hex helped too.
Also wonder what kind of the supply usage it incurred, although that one is far harder to determine.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

Here is the info screen. The Allies have picked up about 2k since the turn of the year. Mostly Kushiro's points and troop losses. The air war remains a dead heat.





Great job over the last few days (especially getting through to his shipping), but also in general. Not much in terms of VP ratio shifting to he Allied.

IIRC, VP ratios were what Canoerebel looked at continuously in the final stage of his game against John III, it was like a mantra in his posts. So maybe this is a pawn on the psychological chessboard of the game? I mean, as you stated a while ago, Canoerebel seems to enjoy and consider this - i.e. the psychological - aspect...

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Here is the info screen. The Allies have picked up about 2k since the turn of the year. Mostly Kushiro's points and troop losses. The air war remains a dead heat.




Loving it. Keep up the good work.

I think some people overlook that fact that the Victory conditions are predicated upon a ratio, not the absolute number of points. As you engage in more and more 1:1 VP snarls in the air, the ratio is increasingly difficult for the Allies to start to overcome. At this point, the Allies need to gain another 46,671 VPs without the Japanese side gaining one in order to get to 1.5:1. And now they have 6 months to do so.

Obvert: 6 months ago (in game time) would have been late August 1944. What was your VP ratio / total points then? My guess is that it's either not budged (ratio-wise) or maybe even expanded a bit in your favor.



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Excellent results from air ground bombing;
You had no CAP over Bihoro at all;

Correct. No need.

How much AA did you have at Bihoro? Shooing away Allied bombing raids against clear terrain with no help from the air is Japanese wet dream at this point. Although heavy rain in the hex helped too.
Also wonder what kind of the supply usage it incurred, although that one is far harder to determine.


A lot of DP guns at Bihoro plus the AA units that have now recovered a bit from their shellacking in the unfortified clear. Bihoro has forts 8, so it's something like a x3 terriain plus a bit more.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

Here is the info screen. The Allies have picked up about 2k since the turn of the year. Mostly Kushiro's points and troop losses. The air war remains a dead heat.




Loving it. Keep up the good work.

I think some people overlook that fact that the Victory conditions are predicated upon a ratio, not the absolute number of points. As you engage in more and more 1:1 VP snarls in the air, the ratio is increasingly difficult for the Allies to start to overcome. At this point, the Allies need to gain another 46,671 VPs without the Japanese side gaining one in order to get to 1.5:1. And now they have 6 months to do so.

Obvert: 6 months ago (in game time) would have been late August 1944. What was your VP ratio / total points then? My guess is that it's either not budged (ratio-wise) or maybe even expanded a bit in your favor.




I think he's made signifiant gains. This is the info screen from August 20. So at about 1.41 then in the Japanese favour. Now down to 1.16. Things can go a lot faster in 45 though.






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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

Here is the info screen. The Allies have picked up about 2k since the turn of the year. Mostly Kushiro's points and troop losses. The air war remains a dead heat.



Great job over the last few days (especially getting through to his shipping), but also in general. Not much in terms of VP ratio shifting to he Allied.

IIRC, VP ratios were what Canoerebel looked at continuously in the final stage of his game against John III, it was like a mantra in his posts. So maybe this is a pawn on the psychological chessboard of the game? I mean, as you stated a while ago, Canoerebel seems to enjoy and consider this - i.e. the psychological - aspect...

Hartwig

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Dan seems to treat any non-combat ship other than an APA as expendable, so he kind of just sailed them in hoping I wouldn't strike. Not much value, but I'll take it, especially with a few added troops.

I think it must weigh on him as the days go by that the VPs aren't moving so much. I'm trying to get in his head a bit, and keep things unpredictable, mainly. So when he expects a strike there is none, then suddenly there is the next time or between major moves.

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Not much value, but I'll take it, especially with a few added troops.


Exactly so. Make 'em pay 'retail' every time.

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Dan seems to treat any non-combat ship other than an APA as expendable, so he kind of just sailed them in hoping I wouldn't strike. Not much value, but I'll take it, especially with a few added troops.


I think many allied players, myself included, are guilty of this. However, any ship (xAK, xAP) with troops is not expendable.

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Here is the info screen. The Allies have picked up about 2k since the turn of the year. Mostly Kushiro's points and troop losses. The air war remains a dead heat.




Loving it. Keep up the good work.

I think some people overlook that fact that the Victory conditions are predicated upon a ratio, not the absolute number of points. As you engage in more and more 1:1 VP snarls in the air, the ratio is increasingly difficult for the Allies to start to overcome. At this point, the Allies need to gain another 46,671 VPs without the Japanese side gaining one in order to get to 1.5:1. And now they have 6 months to do so.

Obvert: 6 months ago (in game time) would have been late August 1944. What was your VP ratio / total points then? My guess is that it's either not budged (ratio-wise) or maybe even expanded a bit in your favor.




There's a lot at stake VP-wise should Japan be pushed off Hokkaido. The base VP's aren't insignificant, nor are the army VP's (assuming units are eventually surrounded and die on the island). Now, more than ever, it's critical to stall the Allies on the ground. If they get a big breakthrough and cut off a lot of IJA units, the VP situation can start to snowball fast.

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