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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/22/2018 2:54:21 PM   
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On the 29th the IJN again moves in close to Shikuka. This time there are two CA TFs, three big BB TFs and lots of Es and SCs and MTBs to hit the PT boats and hopefully the other stuff that rollovers have been showing; xAK, LST, YMS, DM, DMS, SC and a few more types.

The first contact? A lone xAK sitting 1-2 hexes out from Shikuka.




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And more ...




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A few APD are sunk by fast E and DD, then the first more equal battle as these DMS tangle with some slow Es. Fun to see some of these little types duke it out. This one was inconclusive, with damage to both sides.




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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/22/2018 2:58:17 PM   
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Some MTBs did their job well, saving a few 20cm shells from the cruisers for later by taking out these LSTs, again sitting without escort one hex from Shikuka.




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Hiei used 3 main gun shells on this lone xAK. This is what I'd hoped to avoid. This is two hexes out of Shikuka.




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Coastal defence ships vs LSTs ...




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As day broke strikes went for the BBs near Shikuka, and luckily the KB CAP reacted, downing about 80 Allied fighters and bombers for only a few losses.




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That was it for the naval battles of the day, just feelers, trying to get some paths cleared and test the Allied reaction. The next few days will be interesting!

The Allies shock another division over the river. This time the Indian 319th is reduced to 0 combat strength during the battle.




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That was it for the naval battles of the day, just feelers, trying to get some paths cleared and test the Allied reaction. The next few days will be interesting!

The Allies shock another division over the river. This time the Indian 319th is reduced to 0 combat strength during the battle.



Are you tempted to counterattack them out of the hex? With a river retreat path, the losses would be staggering.

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Sept 29, 1944


Here is the full report. A lot of fluff to wade through here, and at least the small ships took care of most of it.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 29, 1944
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,45, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma
CA Kumano
DD Asagumo
DD Shigure
DD Sagiri
DD Sazanami

Allied Ships
xAK George C. Perkins, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,45, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Hasu
E Kuri
E Tsuga

Allied Ships
xAK John A. Roebling, Shell hits 23, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,45, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Hasu
E Kuri
E Tsuga

Allied Ships
xAK Cornish Park, Shell hits 19, heavy fires, heavy damage

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,45, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
DD Ariake
DD Shinonome
DD Isonami

Allied Ships
xAK Alexander Mitchell, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,45, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
DD Ariake
DD Shinonome
DD Isonami

Allied Ships
xAK Cornish Park, Shell hits 14, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 125,45, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.24
E No.33
E No.44, Shell hits 1
E No.46, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
xAK Michael Casey, Shell hits 6, on fire

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 125,45, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Okikaze
DD Yukaze
DD Nokaze

Allied Ships
xAK Michael Casey, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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ASW attack near Shikuka at 126,45

Japanese Ships
PB Aso Maru #7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

PB Tyuwa Maru

Allied Ships
SS Runner

SS Runner launches 6 torpedoes at PB Aso Maru #7
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Shikuka at 125,45

Japanese Ships
MTB G-549
MTB G-548
MTB G-547
MTB G-546

Allied Ships
SS Guardfish

SS Guardfish is sighted by escort
Guardfish diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.24, Shell hits 1
E No.33, Shell hits 1
E No.44, Shell hits 1
E No.46, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DE Canfield, Shell hits 3, on fire
DE Dempsey, Shell hits 1
DE Wileman

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Okikaze
DD Yukaze
DD Nokaze

Allied Ships
APD Bates, Shell hits 18, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Hopping, Shell hits 15, and is sunk


Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hakaze, Shell hits 1
DD Akikaze
DD Shiokaze
DD Yakaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
APD King, Shell hits 4, on fire
APD Lawrence, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hakaze
DD Akikaze
DD Shiokaze
DD Yakaze

Allied Ships
PT-497
PT-522
PT-523
PT-524
PT-525
PT-526

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Ioshima, Shell hits 2
E W-39, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
PT-313
PT-317, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT-344
PT-345

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Sanae
E Asagao
E Yanagi, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DMS Palmer
DMS Howard
DMS Chandler, Shell hits 2

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Hasu
E Kuri
E Tsuga

Allied Ships
SC Daring
SC PC-1087

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Okikaze
DD Yukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Nokaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DMS Palmer
DMS Howard
DMS Chandler

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Hasu
E Kuri
E Tsuga

Allied Ships
PT-219
PT-251
PT-281
PT-307
PT-308
PT-352

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Okikaze
DD Yukaze
DD Nokaze

Allied Ships
PT-491
PT-492
PT-493
PT-494
PT-495
PT-496

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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ASW attack near Shikuka at 126,44

Japanese Ships
E Yanagi

Allied Ships
SS Hake

SS Hake is sighted by escort
Hake bottoming out ....
E Yanagi fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Sanae
E Asagao
E Yanagi

Allied Ships
xAK John Dockweiler, Shell hits 86, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 96% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 96% moonlight: 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Sanae
E Asagao
E Yanagi

Allied Ships
PT-40
PT-107
PT-112
PT-113
PT-114
PT-259

Improved night sighting under 96% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 96% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.24
E No.33
E No.44
E No.46

Allied Ships
PT-22, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-78
PT-79
PT-80, Shell hits 1
PT-81
PT-82

Improved night sighting under 96% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 96% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Fuji Maru, Shell hits 3
PB Fumi Maru
PB Seki Maru #2

Allied Ships
PT-461
PT-463
PT-464
PT-465
PT-466, Shell hits 1

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 8,000 yards

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Banshu Maru #56
PB Tama Maru #8, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Sonan Maru #5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


Allied Ships
PT-467
PT-468
PT-470
PT-471, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PT-472

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 14,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-542
MTB G-879
MTB G-884
MTB G-886

Allied Ships
LST-75, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LST-88, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LST-240, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LST-242, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk


Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 8,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-542
MTB G-879
MTB G-884
MTB G-886

Allied Ships
PT-485
PT-486
PT-487
PT-488
PT-489
PT-490

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 4,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 4,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 16,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Hokutai Maru
PB Kensin Maru
PB Tyuwa Maru

Allied Ships
xAK Lorrain, Shell hits 23, heavy fires, heavy damage

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 23,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Kyo Maru #8
PB Magan Maru
PB Bunzan Maru

Allied Ships
PT-219
PT-251
PT-281
PT-307
PT-308
PT-352, Shell hits 1

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 15,000 yards

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Chosa Maru, Shell hits 1
PB Edo Maru
PB Heiei Maru #7, Shell hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
xAK B. Livingston, Shell hits 7, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 21,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hakaze
DD Akikaze
DD Shiokaze
DD Yakaze

Allied Ships
PT-313, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT-344
PT-345

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 17,000 yards

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,45, Range 26,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato
BB Yamato
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
DD Makigumo
DD Makinami
DD Tamanami
DD Kiyonami
DD Hamanami
DD Tanikaze
DD Kasumi
DD Wakaba

Allied Ships
xAK Talune, Shell hits 4, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 28,000 yards


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Hokutai Maru, Shell hits 25, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Kensin Maru, Shell hits 2
PB Tyuwa Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
PT-497, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-522
PT-523, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-524
PT-525, Shell hits 1
PT-526, Shell hits 1, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 16,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Chosa Maru, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
PT-522
PT-524, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

PT-525, on fire
PT-526, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 13,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,45, Range 26,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato
BB Yamato
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
DD Makigumo
DD Makinami
DD Tamanami
DD Kiyonami
DD Hamanami
DD Tanikaze
DD Kasumi
DD Wakaba

Allied Ships
xAK Ganges, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,45, Range 28,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato
BB Yamato
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
DD Makigumo
DD Makinami
DD Tamanami
DD Kiyonami
DD Hamanami
DD Tanikaze
DD Kasumi
DD Wakaba

Allied Ships
xAK Archbishop Lamy, Shell hits 10, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-546
MTB G-547
MTB G-548
MTB G-549

Allied Ships
xAK Granville Stuart

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 25,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Banshu Maru #56, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
PB Tama Maru #8, Shell hits 3, and is sunk


Allied Ships
DMS Palmer
DMS Howard, Shell hits 1, on fire
DMS Chandler, Shell hits 1

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 20,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Sanae
E Asagao
E Yanagi

Allied Ships
SC Daring, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC PC-1087

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 27,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Task forces break off...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,45, Range 30,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato
BB Yamato
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
DD Makigumo
DD Makinami
DD Tamanami
DD Kiyonami
DD Hamanami
DD Tanikaze
DD Kasumi
DD Wakaba

Allied Ships
LST-202
LST-343

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Allied Landing Craft TF evades combat

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Santos Maru, Shell hits 5, on fire
PB Shosei Maru
SC Ch 26, Shell hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
DMS Palmer, Shell hits 1
DMS Howard, heavy fires
DMS Chandler, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 23,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Task forces break off...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Fuji Maru
PB Fumi Maru
PB Seki Maru #2

Allied Ships
LST-202, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
LST-343, Shell hits 1

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 16,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Task forces break off...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-542
MTB G-879
MTB G-884
MTB G-886

Allied Ships
LST-202, on fire, heavy damage

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 7,000 yards
Allied Escort TF evades combat

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Sub attack near Shikuka at 126,44

Japanese Ships
PB Kyo Maru #8
PB Bunzan Maru

Allied Ships
SS Hake, hits 1

SS Hake launches 6 torpedoes at PB Kyo Maru #8
Hake bottoming out ....
Escort abandons search for sub


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Edo Maru
PB Heiei Maru #7, heavy fires

Allied Ships
PT-344
PT-345

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 13,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Walker O. orders Allied TF to disengage
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Santo Maru
PB Mikitade Maru
SC CHa-6
SC CHa-41

Allied Ships
PT-522
PT-525, on fire
PT-526, heavy fires

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 13,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 30,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-546
MTB G-547
MTB G-548
MTB G-549

Allied Ships
SC Daring, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC PC-1087

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 7,000 yards
Range increases to 30,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 125,45, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
ML G-308
ML G-325, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
ML G-403, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SC CHa-50, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage


Allied Ships
APD King

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 24,000 yards
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 16,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 125,45, Range 28,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Sanae
E Asagao
E Yanagi

Allied Ships
DMS Palmer
DMS Howard, heavy fires
DMS Chandler, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Japanese Surface Combat TF evades combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 30,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
ML G-308
ML G-325, heavy fires, heavy damage
ML G-403, on fire, heavy damage
SC CHa-50, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DE Canfield
DE Dempsey
DE Wileman

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 24,000 yards
Japanese Surface Combat TF evades combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 30,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
ML G-308
ML G-325, heavy fires, heavy damage
ML G-403, on fire, heavy damage
SC CHa-50, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DE Canfield
DE Dempsey
DE Wileman

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 23,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Japanese Surface Combat TF evades combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Sado, Shell hits 4, on fire
E Miyake, Shell hits 7

Allied Ships
DE Canfield, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Dempsey, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DE Wileman, Shell hits 1, and is sunk


Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 21,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Sado, heavy fires, heavy damage
E Miyake

Allied Ships
PT-40
PT-107
PT-112
PT-113
PT-114
PT-259

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 23,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-29
SC CHa-47, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
SC CHa-62, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage


Allied Ships
PT-344
PT-345

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Task forces break off...


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Sub attack near Shikuka at 126,44

Japanese Ships
SS RO-114, hits 2

Allied Ships
YMS-118, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
YMS-313

SS RO-114 launches 4 torpedoes at YMS-118
RO-114 bottoming out ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shikuka at 127,44

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 9 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 11
A6M8 Zero x 114

Allied aircraft
Avenger II x 8
Corsair II x 16
Spitfire VIII x 18
F4U-1A Corsair x 3
F6F-3 Hellcat x 9
TBM-1C Avenger x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Avenger II: 1 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
PB Santo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
SC CHa-74
SC CHa-41, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
SC CHa-6, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk


Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Avenger II launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
2 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shikuka at 127,44

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 11
A6M8 Zero x 108

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 12
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 12
F6F-3 Hellcat x 6
TBM-1C Avenger x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
TBM-1C Avenger: 10 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shikuka at 126,44

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 25

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18
F6F-3 Hellcat x 9
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 4 destroyed


Japanese Ships
ML G-308, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SC CHa-50, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
ML G-325, heavy fires, heavy damage


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

G-308 dead in the water ...
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring a Ch-1 class SC
G-325 dead in the water ...
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring ML G-325

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shikuka at 127,44

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 2 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 13
A6M8 Zero x 105

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 3
TBM-1C Avenger x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
TBM-1C Avenger: 6 destroyed


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Submarine attack near Shikuka at 126,44

Japanese Ships
ML G-403, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Hake

ML G-403 is sighted by SS Hake
SS Hake launches 6 torpedoes


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Kyo Maru #8
PB Magan Maru
PB Bunzan Maru

Allied Ships
PT-471, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 25,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Kyo Maru #8
PB Magan Maru
PB Bunzan Maru

Allied Ships
YMS-119, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
YMS-313, Shell hits 1, and is sunk


Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 23,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 16,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Kyo Maru #8
PB Magan Maru
PB Bunzan Maru

Allied Ships
SC PC-1087, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 23,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-543
MTB G-552
MTB G-841
MTB G-843
MTB G-844
MTB G-845

Allied Ships
PT-491
PT-492
PT-493
PT-494
PT-495
PT-496

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 6,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-40
SC CHa-68
SC CHa-75

Allied Ships
PT-526

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 7,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
Allied Escort TF evades combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-40
SC CHa-68
SC CHa-75

Allied Ships
PT-526, Shell hits 1

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 5,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range increases to 5,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-40
SC CHa-68
SC CHa-75

Allied Ships
PT-526

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 5,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range increases to 5,000 yards
Allied Escort TF evades combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-40
SC CHa-68
SC CHa-75

Allied Ships
PT-526

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Allied Escort TF evades combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-40
SC CHa-68
SC CHa-75

Allied Ships
LST-202, heavy damage

Allied Escort TF evades combat

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-40
SC CHa-68
SC CHa-75

Allied Ships
PT-526

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 4,000 yards
Allied Escort TF evades combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-40
SC CHa-68
SC CHa-75

Allied Ships
PT-526, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-40
SC CHa-68
SC CHa-75

Allied Ships
LST-202, heavy damage

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 8,000 yards
Allied Escort TF evades combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-40
SC CHa-68
SC CHa-75

Allied Ships
PT-526, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 7,000 yards
Allied Escort TF evades combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
ML G-213
ML G-215
SC CHa-74

Allied Ships
PT-526, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 7,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
Japanese TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 6,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat


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Sub attack near Shikuka at 127,44

Japanese Ships
PB Kensin Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
SS Seal

SS Seal launches 4 torpedoes
Seal bottoming out ....

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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 15900 troops, 306 guns, 283 vehicles, Assault Value = 572

Defending force 45114 troops, 371 guns, 261 vehicles, Assault Value = 1158

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 2737

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
171 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3559 casualties reported
Squads: 55 destroyed, 180 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 73 disabled
Guns lost 57 (3 destroyed, 54 disabled)


Assaulting units:
22nd (East African) Brigade
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
150th RAC Regiment
7th Indian Division
11th Indian Division
181st Field Artillery Regiment
XV Indian Corps
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
168th Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
101st Heavy AA Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
249th Field Artillery Battalion
86th Coast AA Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
16th Division
77th Infantry Brigade
2nd Guards Division
3rd RF Gun Battalion
53rd Const Co
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
16th Army
57th Field AA Battalion
45th Ind.AA Gun Co
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th RF Gun Battalion

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That was it for the naval battles of the day, just feelers, trying to get some paths cleared and test the Allied reaction. The next few days will be interesting!

The Allies shock another division over the river. This time the Indian 319th is reduced to 0 combat strength during the battle.



Are you tempted to counterattack them out of the hex? With a river retreat path, the losses would be staggering.


Those units moving in near Prome are worrying. I just don't know when they'll arrive, and I do know it's at least a divisions worth of troops. So I'll try a DA but not shock. Hopefully the disruption is very high for the Allies here.

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After only a few "battles" with the single ship xAK breakwaters 80 miles off of Shikuka, two of my BBs are at less than 75% ammo. A few of the cruisers too. I'm going to keep it all going, but from what I can see, there are a lot of these ships out here. There were 750+ ships at some points in Shikuka. There are now only 523 on the rollover.

I'll send in the cruisers first and let the BBs wait, so possibly if they sink lot of the fluff he'll at least have to put more out, and the VPs do add up in the end.

I guess I should have brought 100 Japanese xAKs to lead the charge!




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Sept 30, 1944


I ended up restricting everything to one hex out, and found mostly PT boats and a few stray xAK and LST. The PBs did a good job against PTs, but of course the VP exchange isn't positive there for the Ansyus, worth 10 points each. If it saves other ships though, it's worth it. Tomorrow I think I'll find some more serious resistance.

The DA in Burma didn't get a positive, and the brigade in hex was wrecked, from 260AV to 67AV. I'll be moving that back now.

He's started using some of the remaining B-29s against Paramushiro. That is good! Soon I'll jump in there.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.23, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
E No.51
E No.52
E No.61

Allied Ships
PT-461
PT-463
PT-464
PT-465
PT-466
PT-522

Improved night sighting under 96% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Santos Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
PB Shosei Maru
SC Ch 26

Allied Ships
PT-491
PT-492
PT-493
PT-494
PT-495
PT-496

Improved night sighting under 96% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 96% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.43, Shell hits 1
SC Ch 40, Shell hits 1, on fire
SC Ch 55

Allied Ships
YMS-103
YMS-139, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
YMS-272, Shell hits 1

Improved night sighting under 96% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Sugi
DD Momi

Allied Ships
PT-120, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-121, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

PT-344
PT-345

Improved night sighting under 96% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,44, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Sugi
DD Momi

Allied Ships
LST-202, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Kyo Maru #10, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
PB Saiko Maru, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

PB Chitose Maru #2
PB Konsan Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire

Allied Ships
PT-108, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT-283, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-284, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT-285, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

PT-287, Shell hits 1
PT-538, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Kenkon Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires
PB Kogyoku Maru
PB Kohoku Maru, Shell hits 3

Allied Ships
PT-491
PT-492
PT-493, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT-494
PT-495, Shell hits 6, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 14,000 yards

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Morning Air attack on Paramushiro-jima , at 137,47

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 56 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 9 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 33

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 40142 troops, 347 guns, 164 vehicles, Assault Value = 1154

Defending force 33926 troops, 606 guns, 697 vehicles, Assault Value = 243

Japanese adjusted assault: 324

Allied adjusted defense: 369

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2714 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 310 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 33 (1 destroyed, 32 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
646 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 75 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 36 (2 destroyed, 34 disabled)


Assaulting units:
77th Infantry Brigade
16th Division
2nd Guards Division
57th Field AA Battalion
16th Army
45th Ind.AA Gun Co
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd RF Gun Battalion
53rd Const Co
8th RF Gun Battalion

Defending units:
7th Indian Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
150th RAC Regiment
22nd (East African) Brigade
11th Indian Division
168th Field Artillery Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
181st Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
249th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
XV Indian Corps
97th Field Artillery Battalion
86th Coast AA Regiment
101st Heavy AA Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

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Wow.
Just broke my habit of silent reading and logged in because this story really catches my attention; not only because of the well deserved strategic victories, but also by the AAR itself - could not help myself but really get infected with battle fever when your 'heavy brigade' charged last month... bloodlust? Me?
Not so often these days.
But to be honest I started to feel pity for his little pixel troopers, Schweinfurts everyday and everywhere.

Yes, the deep, Custer-like penetration by the Allies looked simply wrong at first sight and I didn't get dissapointed.

Exchanging all these fuel sucking small soon-to-die-anyway 'canoes' with Victory points is quite entertaining to watch.
Must think of Quincy's story in Jaws...

Sry for the broken language, but typing on a crappy phone in the middle of the night between frogs and owls during a night fishing trip didnot help *gg*

And, please, Obvert, insert another photo or two, you have a golden eye.
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Wow.
Just broke my habit of silent reading and logged in because this story really catches my attention; not only because of the well deserved strategic victories, but also by the AAR itself - could not help myself but really get infected with battle fever when your 'heavy brigade' charged last month... bloodlust? Me?
Not so often these days.
But to be honest I started to feel pity for his little pixel troopers, Schweinfurts everyday and everywhere.

Yes, the deep, Custer-like penetration by the Allies looked simply wrong at first sight and I didn't get dissapointed.

Exchanging all these fuel sucking small soon-to-die-anyway 'canoes' with Victory points is quite entertaining to watch.
Must think of Quincy's story in Jaws...

Sry for the broken language, but typing on a crappy phone in the middle of the night between frogs and owls during a night fishing trip didnot help *gg*

And, please, Obvert, insert another photo or two, you have a golden eye.
:-)
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Thanks for breaking your silenence! Always good to have a new contributor chip in to the AAR.

I think the deep penetration isn't wrong, it's just an opportunity for Japan to give the Allies some fight. I think Dan had just played a very aggressive opponent in John III and I am more measured in my responses. I don't alway jump in, but I will make aggressive moves. I hope to keep him guessing.

I just hope I won't be the one left guessing soon! We'll see!

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Ok. Here is the second try at posting the Oct 1 turn. The first try ended up in my other AAR!! Whoops!!

Oct 1 started ominously. My CAs moved in and had to wade through a handful of unescorted LST, then ...




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... three xAK. I'm not sure how much this impacted what happened next. The IJN just doesn't do well against late war Allied radar sighted gunnery and fast reloading 5" and 6" guns.





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An IjN sub finally hit the xAK Granville Short, which has been lurking for a few days.





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Then the remaining Allied cruisers made an appearance. This ASW TF was soon put down.





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... oh, and another reef to be. Maybe this is just a virtual wildlife conservation effort?





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Fletchers crush the IJN DDs in this battle. The CAs aren't effective and left completely unescorted afterward. Yuck.





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This battle was a rare positive for the IJN though. Santa Fe was damaged int he last bombardments, and I think took some solid 20cm shots and a torpedo. In this one the IJN CLs get in close and put another fish in her belly! Nice.





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Here is the summary of actions. Again, epic, and this time the IJN can't make a breakthrough. A lot of DDs lost on the day. They just can't hang with the late war Fletchers and Sumners, even at night.

This made me question the plan to push the BBs in next. I changed orders about there times, but finally settled on it. If they can get through, it again gives some cushion against Allied bombing, and could set the Allied pools into the negative. It's worth the risk, and what other chances will I have? I also spotted some distant xAP TFs near the Aleuts. Moving West. I'm guessing this is the time the Allies will move the DS back in, so this may really be the last chance. Moonlight is 100% as well, so the best opportunity to not be decimated by Allied PTs.

I've increased the KB CAP and set them for close in 1 hex defence to cover BBs moving into Shikuka or out, but that's it. There is also some LR CAP from Wakkanai on the BBs. Here we go!

In other areas, the B-29s again hit the Kuriles, this time at Ketoi-Jima. It's very interesting which islands have been most targeted recently and previously. Ketoi, Onneketon and Paramushiro seem to be recent favourites. Does this mean those are future landing targets? Onneketon and Para have extensive CD guns and forts, both at level 6. Ketoi is at level 5 and trying to build up to 6, at about 55% now. There are about 950AV at Ketoi, about 1300AV at Onneketon, and almost 1500AV at Paramushiro. I'm so curious now whet the Allied plans will be. Regardless of the Shikuka bombardments outcome, I plan to sit back after that for a bit and see what happens, concentrating on building defences of Northern Honshu and Manchuria, which still need a bit more work.

Knowing Dan though, anything is possible.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 1, 1944
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma
CA Kumano
DD Arashio
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo
DD Shigure
DD Sagiri
DD Sazanami

Allied Ships
LST-247, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
LST-248, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LST-249, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LST-335, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LST-338, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LST-342, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma
CA Kumano
DD Arashio
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo
DD Shigure
DD Sagiri
DD Sazanami

Allied Ships
xAK Edward S. Hough, Shell hits 37, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Francisco Coronado, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Henry C. Payne, Shell hits 20, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk


Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Oi, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Hibiki
DD Ikazuchi
DD Usugumo

Allied Ships
PT-78
PT-350, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-356
PT-357, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-359, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

PT-360

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hibiki
DD Ikazuchi
DD Usugumo

Allied Ships
PT-79, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT-219
PT-251
PT-281
PT-308
PT-352

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Toyohara at 126,46, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Kenkon Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Kohoku Maru, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
PT-461
PT-463
PT-464
PT-465
PT-466
PT-522

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Submarine attack near Shikuka at 126,44

Japanese Ships
SS RO-117

Allied Ships
xAK Granville Stuart, Shell hits 12

xAK Granville Stuart is sighted by SS RO-117

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.24
E No.33
E No.44
E No.46

Allied Ships
xAK Granville Stuart, Shell hits 6

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 38, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
SC Ch 42, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
SC Ch 44, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
SC Ch 48, Shell hits 4, and is sunk


Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CL Nashville
DD Bradford
DD Halsey Powell
DD Prichett
DD Pringle
DD Abner Read
DD Remey
DD Strong

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Sugi, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Momi, Shell hits 15, heavy fires, heavy damage


Allied Ships
CL Santa Fe
DD Abbot
DD Hunt
DD McKee
DD Miller
DD Newcomb
DD David Taylor

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.24
E No.33, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
E No.44
E No.46

Allied Ships
PT-112
PT-113, Shell hits 1
PT-114, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-259
PT-550
PT-551

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Sanae
E Asagao
E Yanagi

Allied Ships
YMS-103, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
YMS-272, Shell hits 3, and is sunk


Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 1
CA Kumano
DD Arashio
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo
DD Shigure
DD Sagiri
DD Sazanami, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
xAK John Straub, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
xAK John Swett, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK John T. McMillan, Shell hits 4, on fire
xAK John W. Foster, Shell hits 14, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK John W. Hoyt, Shell hits 14, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK John W. Meldrum, Shell hits 19, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Wulin, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage


Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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TF 44 encounters mine field at Shikuka (126,43)

Japanese Ships
DD Minegumo
DD Sagiri
DD Arashio
DD Sazanami, Mine hits 2, heavy damage
DD Shigure

11 mines cleared

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao, Shell hits 9
CA Atago, Shell hits 7
CA Myoko, Shell hits 8
DD Ariake, Shell hits 35, and is sunk
DD Shinonome, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
DD Isonami, Shell hits 25, and is sunk
DD Shirayuki, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Hatsuyuki, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Akebono, Shell hits 2, heavy fires

Allied Ships
DD Chauncey, Shell hits 7, on fire
DD Fullam, Shell hits 6, on fire
DD Halford, Shell hits 3
DD Hutchins, Shell hits 4
DD McGowan, Shell hits 6, on fire
DD Mullany, Shell hits 2
DD Murray, Shell hits 7
DD Stembel, Shell hits 1

Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Allied TF begins to get underway
Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 8,000 yards
Moosbrugger, Fred crosses the 'T'

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Natori
CL Yura
CL Tenryu
DD Mutsuki
DD Uzuki
DD Minazuki
DD Kikuzuki

Allied Ships
PT-219
PT-251
PT-281, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-308, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-352, Shell hits 1, and is sunk


Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.27, Shell hits 40, and is sunk
E W-16, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
E W-25, Shell hits 18, and is sunk


Allied Ships
CL Santa Fe
DD Abbot
DD Hunt
DD McKee
DD Miller
DD Newcomb
DD David Taylor

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Sanae
E Asagao
E Yanagi

Allied Ships
xAK Granville Stuart, Shell hits 41, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Sanae, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
E Asagao, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
E Yanagi, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage


Allied Ships
CL Santa Fe, Shell hits 2
DD Abbot
DD Hunt
DD McKee
DD Miller
DD Newcomb
DD David Taylor

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Natori
CL Yura, Shell hits 2
CL Tenryu
DD Mutsuki, Shell hits 1
DD Uzuki
DD Minazuki, Shell hits 8, on fire
DD Kikuzuki

Allied Ships
CL Santa Fe, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Abbot
DD Hunt
DD McKee
DD Miller
DD Newcomb
DD David Taylor

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hibiki, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Ikazuchi, Shell hits 2
DD Usugumo, Shell hits 22, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CL Nashville
DD Bradford
DD Halsey Powell, Shell hits 1
DD Prichett
DD Pringle, Shell hits 1
DD Abner Read
DD Remey
DD Strong

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Submarine attack near Shikuka at 127,44

Japanese Ships
E Yanagi, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Seal

E Yanagi is sighted by SS Seal
SS Seal launches 4 torpedoes

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Submarine attack near Shikuka at 127,44

Japanese Ships
DD Sugi, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Seal

DD Sugi is sighted by SS Seal
SS Seal launches 4 torpedoes at DD Sugi

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma
CA Kumano
DD Arashio
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo
DD Shigure

Allied Ships
AM Kingfisher, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
AM Penguin, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
AM Turkey, Shell hits 43, and is sunk
AM Robin, Shell hits 36, and is sunk


Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Sagiri, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CL Nashville
DD Bradford
DD Halsey Powell
DD Prichett
DD Pringle
DD Abner Read
DD Remey
DD Strong

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Sagiri, Shell hits 26, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CL Nashville
DD Bradford, Shell hits 1
DD Halsey Powell
DD Prichett
DD Pringle
DD Abner Read
DD Remey
DD Strong

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-544, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB G-885, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
MTB G-16, Shell hits 4, and is sunk


Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CL Nashville
DD Bradford
DD Halsey Powell
DD Prichett
DD Pringle
DD Abner Read
DD Remey
DD Strong

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 16,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hakaze
DD Akikaze
DD Shiokaze
DD Yakaze

Allied Ships
YMS-113, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 27,000 yards

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Sub attack near Shikuka at 126,44

Japanese Ships
E W-39, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
E Ioshima

Allied Ships
SS Spadefish, hits 4

SS Spadefish launches 6 torpedoes at E W-39
E Ioshima attacking submerged sub ....

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 24,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hakaze, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Akikaze, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Shiokaze, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yakaze, Shell hits 23, heavy fires, heavy damage


Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CL Nashville
DD Bradford
DD Halsey Powell
DD Prichett
DD Pringle
DD Abner Read
DD Remey, Shell hits 1
DD Strong, Shell hits 1

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,43, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hakaze, Shell hits 25, and is sunk
DD Akikaze, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
DD Shiokaze, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
DD Yakaze, and is sunk


Allied Ships
DD Chauncey
DD Fullam
DD Halford
DD Hutchins
DD McGowan
DD Mullany
DD Murray
DD Stembel

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Chosa Maru
PB Kyo Maru #8
PB Magan Maru
PB Bunzan Maru

Allied Ships
PT-491, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-492, Shell hits 2, and is sunk


Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 19,000 yards

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Morning Air attack on Ketoi-jima , at 134,50

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 30

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 9 damaged

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 66,49 (near Mengtze)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 12878 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1544

Defending force 16080 troops, 136 guns, 81 vehicles, Assault Value = 484

Allied adjusted assault: 1

Japanese adjusted defense: 2269

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2269

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
4982 casualties reported
Squads: 26 destroyed, 219 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 27 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled

Assaulting units:
7th Chinese Corps
1st Chinese Corps
91st Chinese Corps

Defending units:
36th/A Division
36th/B Division
36th/C Division
22nd AA Regiment

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The Chinese are still trying to break through in the mountains. Today one smallish Corps pushed over a river. The Chinese don't shock well, but this one was (not surprisingly) low on supply. I'm sure Dan just wanted to open the bedside, and more will follow. I envision some big Chinese losses up here if they keep on coming.




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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/23/2018 1:20:45 PM   
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I keep thinking that kamikazes need to be combined with other offensive modalities during an overwhelming strike, rather than frittered in after everything else has been tried and found wanting. What are your opinions about combining your kamikaze pools (particularly against some of the DMS / YMS rabble around the Kuriles) with surface / CV action at this stage?

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I see you have lost more precious DDs. How many do you have left?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/23/2018 3:45:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I keep thinking that kamikazes need to be combined with other offensive modalities during an overwhelming strike, rather than frittered in after everything else has been tried and found wanting. What are your opinions about combining your kamikaze pools (particularly against some of the DMS / YMS rabble around the Kuriles) with surface / CV action at this stage?


I don't think they're active yet, though. Shikuka and Toyohara are outside of activation range.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/23/2018 6:20:21 PM   
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Hang on a sec...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 126,44, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Sanae
E Asagao
E Yanagi

Allied Ships
xAK Granville Stuart, Shell hits 41, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight


I can't find any reference to Japanese E type escorts having torpedos (sources WIKI, and Combined Fleet). From what I can find the Etorofu type escort carried 3 4.7 DP, 4-15 25mm AA, 6 DC launchers, and 1 AS mortar. What am I missing?


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I see you have lost more precious DDs. How many do you have left?


Not enough, but they get less and less precious at this stage. For surface battles they're nearly useless now. I've experienced this before and remember the frustration.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I keep thinking that kamikazes need to be combined with other offensive modalities during an overwhelming strike, rather than frittered in after everything else has been tried and found wanting. What are your opinions about combining your kamikaze pools (particularly against some of the DMS / YMS rabble around the Kuriles) with surface / CV action at this stage?


I don't think they're active yet, though. Shikuka and Toyohara are outside of activation range.


Yep. I've tried bombing out there, and the DB/TB don't often fly, the low FB strafers don't hit much, and all of it gets nailed by the 850 plane CAP at Shikuka. In a VP sense it's not worth it, but if I were going in again, and had to do something, I'd find some more ways to hunt the fluff without using my BBs and CAs to do it.

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