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Well, we're locked in discussion about an issue with night bombing now.
Torsten sent everything he had at Mandalay airfield. He'd already prolifically bombed oil fields at Mandalay with massed night attacks, and while I do think they're most likely too accurate in game even in that situation, against an airfield I've come to see this as way to powerful based on admittedly few facts from the war. It seems to me this would have become a consistent strategy if it was as accurate in the war as it is in game. I've looked on the internet and in books in my collection, including one on the 10th AF in Burma, but most of the information is from 43 onward as not much was in operating order in 42 and even into 43 strikes were small and mostly against logistical and economical targets.
This attack was of only 163 bombers, not overwhelming, but a good amount for mid-42. Altogether it put 86 damage on the fields and destroyed 36 fighters on a level 6 field that was not overstacked. If he could do this once a week even I would have to simply relinquish he air wherever he wanted to bomb. We have the no night bombing at less than 50% moonlight, but maybe this is not enough.
My question, and the point we're stuck on, is could this have really been done in 42 and if so why wasn't it done? (Or was it? He brought up Peenemunde, which was much later and a very specialized night raid with specific technology for that raid). If it seems unlikely then how do we proceed? What rules would work to a fair compromise to both sides?
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR August 19, 42
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 4
Hudson IIIa x 8
Hudson I x 5
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-26 Marauder x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed on ground
Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged
Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Hudson I bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 17
B-17E Fortress x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 10
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-18A Bolo x 5
No Allied losses
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 12
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 12
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-18A Bolo x 6
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Runway hits 1
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 6
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
Hudson III (LR) x 8
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 6
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 8
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 2
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 4
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-26 Marauder x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-18A Bolo x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Airbase supply hits 1
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 4
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 7
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 5
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Runway hits 2
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Runway hits 2
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-26 Marauder x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Airbase hits 1
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 3
No Allied losses
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
No Allied losses
Runway hits 2
< Message edited by obvert -- 6/16/2013 12:35:37 AM >
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