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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/11/2019 7:03:03 AM   
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May 24, 1945


On the 24th the bombing against a few forward tank units goes much better. I'm still concerned about the Peggy (T) strikes which aren't even as effective as the Jills I've got on in spite of better pilots and bomb loads. Hmmmmmmm.

The Allies now have 2E in China and go for Shanghai. Georges on LR CAP duty bleed over and get a handful of the P-51D escorts. Very nice. I'll wait and see how persistent these strikes are before assigning more to hit them.

In the South the Allies move forward toward Saigon. I've decided to give up the base to save the units, even though it would be good territory to fight in. It's not good enough. I'll bring the division there to Shanghai and all but a few small units will evacuate along the rails. I'lll keep just enough to avoid losing bases to Para assault and force the Allies to walk as far as possible. The loss of Shanghai will mean the Allies will take a lead for the first time in VPs starting in early June.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 24, 1945
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Night Naval bombardment of Shanghai at 92,55

Japanese Ships
ACM Shinko Maru #1, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
CL Ceylon

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Resources hits 1
Manpower hits 1
Fires 116
Airbase hits 18
Runway hits 19
Port hits 5

CL Ceylon firing at Shanghai

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Sub attack near Puerto Princesa at 70,77

Japanese Ships
AK Nankai Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
xAP Kamo Maru
E Nasami

Allied Ships
SS Crevalle

SS Crevalle launches 6 torpedoes at AK Nankai Maru

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 91,48 , near Suchow

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 31

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 762nd Tank Battalion, at 89,50 (Hwainan)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 35
N1K2-J George x 11
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 35

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 23 (2 destroyed, 21 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
35 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 6th USMC Tank Battalion ...

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Morning Air attack on 193rd Tank Battalion, at 59,68 (Kompong Chhnang)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 44

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 16 (2 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Hwainan , at 89,50

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 11
N1K5-J George x 31
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 23
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 5
Ki-100-II Tony x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 22 (1 destroyed, 21 disabled)

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 91,48 , near Suchow

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 40
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 19
Ki-83 x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 36 (2 destroyed, 34 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 3000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 91,48 , near Suchow

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 20
Ki-83 x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 3000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 766th Tank Battalion, at 89,50 (Hwainan)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 11
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 6
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 32
Ki-100-II Tony x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 9

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 4
P-51D Mustang x 16
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 28
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 22000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/11/2019 7:08:59 AM   
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Here is the situation in the North. The hexes with targets are the forward tank units. I'll keep hitting them until he figures out how to better LR CAP them or gets bases closer to protect them. I'd like to keep the rail as long as possible and I'm sure he'd like to sever it as quickly as he can.




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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/11/2019 7:16:29 AM   
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Here is the South. The Allies march forward, and should be sending the big stack to Udon Thani soon. There is about 50k there now, and forces are marching toward Viennetiane and down toward Vinh. All big units will be out by tomorrow toward China and the smaller following on within days. Then a skeleton crew will hold the Indochinese rail line and zip out if they can in succession as the Allies approach.

I'm beginning to think of where to hold in China. Nanning is an obvious choice. I've got level 6 forts there. I'll have to put some blocks up the road toward Chungking for sure. It's good territory. The Chinese look to be shifting now too, and will add in I'm sure. I need to plug a few deeper gaps.




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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/12/2019 3:49:45 AM   
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quote:

round combat at 90,52 (near Nanking)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 6144 troops, 17 guns, 563 vehicles, Assault Value = 658

Defending force 2537 troops, 14 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 54

Allied adjusted assault: 386

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 386 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2866 casualties reported
Squads: 157 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 164 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (11 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
194th Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
775th Tank Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
44th Tank Battalion
3rd Motor Brigade

Defending units:
1st RGC Capital Division


You kind of buried the lead, there!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/12/2019 9:58:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

quote:

round combat at 90,52 (near Nanking)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 6144 troops, 17 guns, 563 vehicles, Assault Value = 658

Defending force 2537 troops, 14 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 54

Allied adjusted assault: 386

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 386 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2866 casualties reported
Squads: 157 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 164 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (11 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
194th Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
775th Tank Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
44th Tank Battalion
3rd Motor Brigade

Defending units:
1st RGC Capital Division


You kind of buried the lead, there!


This isn't really consequential. He already has 4-5 bases in the area, and although this is a VP gain and a decent base, my focus is on the much more important Shanghai, as well as the LOC to Central China from Hangchow to Changsha and Wuchang. I evacuated all but this poor Chinese RGC unit, and I should have moved that, but it would have been too slow to save I think.

Shanghai is now up to 2,200AV with forts 7, and 60k supply. Trying for 100k supply, if I have time, and more CD guns trying to move over as well. Should get to 2,500AV.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/12/2019 10:28:19 PM   
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I'm beginning to think of where to hold in China. Nanning is an obvious choice. I've got level 6 forts there. I'll have to put some blocks up the road toward Chungking for sure. It's good territory. The Chinese look to be shifting now too, and will add in I'm sure. I need to plug a few deeper gaps.


IMO, you need to be focused on the VP situation.

The single biggest haul of possible VPs for the Allies here lie in the destruction of your troops. Base VP's are not insignificant, but less than the value were all your devices in China to be destroyed.

To that end, I think there needs to be a two-stage emphasis for your plans regarding the land war in China.

1. Looking at delaying the fall of major VP bases.
2. Withdrawing troops to Manchuria/Korea to delay the Soviet advance as much as possible.

In practical terms, for #1 that means stuffing the x2 and x3 hexes full of units you can afford to lose. Mid-range EXP, depleted units, poor TOE's - ram them into the cities.

Nanning is worth 60 VP's to Japan, and 6 to the Allies. Hong Kong is worth 160 and 640(!) to the Allies. Plus, it is x3 terrian. Plus it has a shipyard to enable upgrade/repair of Allied ships.

For the second point, it's unit preservation to enable you to enact #1 in Manchuria.

This is the numbers game that needs to drive IJA strategy now - festungs to delay bases that are going to fall soon, while withdrawing enough to make you do it further back as well.

Good luck!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/13/2019 10:32:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

quote:

I'm beginning to think of where to hold in China. Nanning is an obvious choice. I've got level 6 forts there. I'll have to put some blocks up the road toward Chungking for sure. It's good territory. The Chinese look to be shifting now too, and will add in I'm sure. I need to plug a few deeper gaps.


IMO, you need to be focused on the VP situation.

The single biggest haul of possible VPs for the Allies here lie in the destruction of your troops. Base VP's are not insignificant, but less than the value were all your devices in China to be destroyed.

To that end, I think there needs to be a two-stage emphasis for your plans regarding the land war in China.

1. Looking at delaying the fall of major VP bases.
2. Withdrawing troops to Manchuria/Korea to delay the Soviet advance as much as possible.

In practical terms, for #1 that means stuffing the x2 and x3 hexes full of units you can afford to lose. Mid-range EXP, depleted units, poor TOE's - ram them into the cities.

Nanning is worth 60 VP's to Japan, and 6 to the Allies. Hong Kong is worth 160 and 640(!) to the Allies. Plus, it is x3 terrian. Plus it has a shipyard to enable upgrade/repair of Allied ships.

For the second point, it's unit preservation to enable you to enact #1 in Manchuria.

This is the numbers game that needs to drive IJA strategy now - festungs to delay bases that are going to fall soon, while withdrawing enough to make you do it further back as well.

Good luck!



Thanks. As always, I appreciate your thoughts on this.

I'm completely focused on the VP situation and that is driving virtually all of my strategies and tactics. The only other consideration I'm working with is delay. This also could have a big VP impact in several ways.

Firstly in giving the economy time to build more reserves, supply and HI before being crushed eventually.

Secondly in reducing the speed of Allied VP gains and putting pressure on to reach certain targets, but also to potentially redirect away from high value VP targets if the delay is too prohibitive. (I'm thinking Chungking here).

Finally, if everything takes longer to achieve, even if I lose some VPs in the process, it could make defence of other areas more secure, thus more VP Balanced by costing the Allies more to attack. More supply added, more forts built or units added/fleshed out.

Nanning is a river crossing. He has no idea what the fort there are currently. They're at 6 but could even move to 7 by the time of a crossing if I push. I also have a division sitting dug in NW of Nanning along the yellow road crossing. It has level 5 forts in x3 territory. Id love the Chinese to find that out the hard way.

He could go around Nanning, but that would be a longer journey without good roads to use.

I have to make stands in places that offer the possibility of a VP positive result. I'm not worried about the Soviets yet. That is months away. I'm worried about China now. I'd like to gain VPs in China where the terrain is good, then consider if there is anything left to fight the Soviets.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/14/2019 12:48:22 AM   
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Nanning is going to get flanked by Allied units moving south-west of it through the countryside. They'll take Pakhoi, Kwangchown and before you know it there's Allied tanks in Wuchow and the south flank is gone.

For an Allied army marching from Indochina, I'd recommend defending between Nanning and Hanoi, and leave Nanning as the fall-back position once your troops have been pushed back. The timeline for the battle in my mind is that you hold for a week or two in the jungle E of Lang Song, get pushed into the open. You then get a terrible bombing and a worse Allied pursuit, but the Allied units then barrel into your 6 forts at Nanning and get bloodied. Making an immediate beeline for Nanning is an indication of prepared defences and would be begging for a flanking march SE.

However, I think that's too far forward for your situation, with the Allies in Central China.

Instead, I'd go deeper in to China and really play the VP game.

Tuyun-Kweiyang to deny an easy recapture of Chungking. Another force at Kweilin to block a drive on Changsha and a third force at Kukong to try and block any recapture of the coastal Chinese bases.

All these options have good road (and in two cases rail) links to Central China that you can use to bug out if you need to.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/14/2019 8:47:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

Nanning is going to get flanked by Allied units moving south-west of it through the countryside. They'll take Pakhoi, Kwangchown and before you know it there's Allied tanks in Wuchow and the south flank is gone.

For an Allied army marching from Indochina, I'd recommend defending between Nanning and Hanoi, and leave Nanning as the fall-back position once your troops have been pushed back. The timeline for the battle in my mind is that you hold for a week or two in the jungle E of Lang Song, get pushed into the open. You then get a terrible bombing and a worse Allied pursuit, but the Allied units then barrel into your 6 forts at Nanning and get bloodied. Making an immediate beeline for Nanning is an indication of prepared defences and would be begging for a flanking march SE.

However, I think that's too far forward for your situation, with the Allies in Central China.

Instead, I'd go deeper in to China and really play the VP game.

Tuyun-Kweiyang to deny an easy recapture of Chungking. Another force at Kweilin to block a drive on Changsha and a third force at Kukong to try and block any recapture of the coastal Chinese bases.

All these options have good road (and in two cases rail) links to Central China that you can use to bug out if you need to.



I completely get what you're trying to say and it's a good point on the psychology to not go direct to Nanning. I know that I've stymied this massive Allied army already, and some of it may not even be going this way since I've got some heading for Saigon, some on Malaya and some (most likely) getting ready to land amphibiously somewhere.

If I can hold, as you say for two weeks or so, that would set up much more of the defences inside China. I don't want to give up the Nanning-Liuchow area too quickly. There is a lot of delay potential there and to the North where the Chinese are marching.

I think if I can set this up and build a fort or two, I could hold and make him go around. There is a lot of good flak with this group so air strikes will be tough for the Allies too.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/14/2019 9:45:52 AM   
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A good day in the air. Some strikes beginning to destroy tanks in the clear in China. The Allies keep pushing armor forward with no AA to cover.

Down South air transport is bringing our trapped troops at Chumpon back to both Saigon and Singers. I'll send most to Palembang and Singers eventually.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 25, 1945
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Sub attack near Balabac at 71,84

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 16, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PB Seikai Maru

Allied Ships
SS Swordfish

SS Swordfish launches 4 torpedoes at SC Ch 16

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TF 808 encounters mine field at Shanghai (92,55) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

13 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Gherardi, Shell hits 4, on fire
DMS Boggs, Shell hits 1

DMS Gherardi firing at Shanghai Special Base Force

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Marcus Island at 123,85, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Koei Maru, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
xAK Nitiai Maru, Shell hits 20, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Yamura Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


Allied Ships
DD Compton
DD Gainard
DD Purdy, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Naval bombardment of Wuchang at 84,51

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 13 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 5 damaged
N1K5-J George: 7 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Nigeria
DD Shaw

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Merchant Shipyard hits 2
Airbase hits 10
Runway hits 22
Port hits 10
Port fuel hits 5
Port supply hits 2

CL Nigeria firing at Wuchang
DD Shaw firing at Wuchang

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Night Naval bombardment of Shanghai at 92,55 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

14 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CL Ceylon, Shell hits 1

CL Ceylon firing at Chugoku JNAF Base Force
Chugoku JNAF Base Force firing at CL Ceylon

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 91,48 , near Suchow

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 43,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 27

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 6
P-51D Mustang x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 2 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 6 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
9 x N1K5-J George sweeping at 39370 feet *

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 91,48 , near Suchow

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 91,48 , near Suchow

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 28
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 27
Ki-83 x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 9 (7 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 2/4th Armoured Regiment, at 93,50 , near Hwaiyin

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 43,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 27

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Ground combat at Wuhu (89,53)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7776 troops, 23 guns, 710 vehicles, Assault Value = 663

Defending force 3440 troops, 45 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 41

Allied adjusted assault: 333

Japanese adjusted defense: 27

Allied assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Wuhu !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2101 casualties reported
Squads: 44 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 86 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 22 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 19 (14 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Units retreated 2


Allied ground losses:
Units pursuing 2

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
44th Tank Battalion
775th Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
194th Tank Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
3rd Motor Brigade

Defending units:
22nd RGC Temp. Division
15th Base Force


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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/17/2019 2:03:47 PM   
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More goodness in the air. Still wondering where the Allies are heading on the ground. Tanks that were heading toward Sinyang to the NW have turned back in the face of our air strikes, as have the ones heading North. Allied units seem to be circling around i the hub of bases surrounding Hangchow/Shanghai. Maybe they'll try to isolate this area? That's okay by me if it means fighting in x3 or x4 with forts at Shanghai and also having time to set up more defensive lines further back.

A rear guard SNLF is destroyed on the approach to Vinh as the Allies continue to flood forward. All IJA troops are away and moving to Lang Son. There will be skeleton forces along the rail so each stop must be taken in turn.

Fuel, oil and resources continue to flood North through the gap around the Bonins to Tokyo. A DD force hits a supply drop at Marcus, but that's all the Allies are doing for now to stop this vital supply route from operating.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 27, 1945
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TF 831 encounters mine field at Shanghai (92,55) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

21 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Forrest, Shell hits 3
DMS Palmer, Shell hits 2
DD Eaton
DD Cogswell
DD Chauncey
DD Charrette, Mine hits 1

Chugoku JNAF Base Force firing at DMS Forrest
DMS Forrest firing at Chugoku JNAF Base Force
40 mines cleared

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Night Naval bombardment of Shanghai at 92,55

Allied Ships
BB Iowa
BB South Dakota
CA Salt Lake City
CL Wilkes-Barre

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Iowa
BB Iowa firing at 38th Division

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Morning Air attack on 706th Tank Battalion, at 89,54 , near Wuhu

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 42,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 8
N1K5-J George x 30
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 17

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x N1K5-J George sweeping at 39370 feet

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Morning Air attack on 706th Tank Battalion, at 89,54 , near Wuhu

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 40,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 37
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 2
F6F-5 Hellcat x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
37 x N1K5-J George sweeping at 39370 feet

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Morning Air attack on Wusih , at 91,53

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 42,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 36

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Taiping , at 49,75

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 38

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt II: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
38 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on 706th Tank Battalion, at 89,54 , near Wuhu

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 45,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 26

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 2
F6F-5 Hellcat x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 90,48 , near Hwainan

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 35

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (6 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
35 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 90,48 , near Hwainan

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 90,48 , near Hwainan

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 32
Ki-102a Randy x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 90,48 , near Hwainan

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (3 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 775th Tank Battalion, at 89,54 , near Wuhu

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 8
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 28
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 33
Ki-100-II Tony x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 90,48 , near Hwainan

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 28
Ki-102a Randy x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (8 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 11
N1K5-J George x 23
Ki-84b Frank x 26
Ki-84r Frank x 26

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 6
P-47N Thunderbolt x 18
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 27
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47N Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
PBJ-1J Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged


Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Iwo-jima at 104,80

Japanese Ships
xAK Tihuku Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PB Choun Maru #21
xAK Oigawa Maru
xAK Daijukyo Maru
xAK Hiyama Maru
xAK Somedono Maru
xAK Kaimei Maru
xAK Noshima
PB Shuko Maru #2

Allied Ships
SS Thornback

SS Thornback launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Tihuku Maru
Thornback diving deep ....

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Ground combat at Luchow (88,51)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1452 troops, 6 guns, 147 vehicles, Assault Value = 209

Defending force 1406 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 53

Allied adjusted assault: 9

Japanese adjusted defense: 63

Allied assault odds: 1 to 7 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
144 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
762nd Tank Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
6th USMC Tank Battalion

Defending units:
19th RGC Temp. Division

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Ground combat at 64,60 (near Vinh)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 8811 troops, 36 guns, 656 vehicles, Assault Value = 453

Defending force 1466 troops, 19 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 50

Allied adjusted assault: 423

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 423 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1832 casualties reported
Squads: 84 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 79 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 23 (23 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
254th Armoured Brigade
255th Indian Tank Brigade
3rd Cavalry Regiment

Defending units:
Sasebo 5th SNLF
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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/17/2019 3:14:37 PM   
obvert


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May 28-29, 1945


The next two days are good again in the air, but ominous on the ground. The Allies come directly toward the block created by our tank divisions and another ID, and they show the effects of late war Allied firepower advantage. A lot more is 3-4 days out for the IJA, but I can't tell what the Allies have coming in. This is where the mediocre IJ recon doesn't help.

As it turns out on the 29th two Marine IDs have also moved in. This will be trouble. If I can reinforce I could hold here, but I have a feeling I'll be flying in a day or two. Ill plan to set up shop on the next x3 hex with about 2,500AV and a bit more arty help there too.

Georges and Ki-83 continue to wreck havoc on the Allies CAP. Both days they get positive results as the Allies try to fly out of Nanking with it's damaged fields.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 28, 1945
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TF 808 encounters mine field at Shanghai (92,55) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

12 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Gherardi, Shell hits 3, on fire
DMS Boggs, Shell hits 1

DMS Gherardi firing at Chugoku JNAF Base Force
Chugoku JNAF Base Force firing at DMS Gherardi
Chugoku JNAF Base Force firing at DMS Boggs
47 mines cleared

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Morning Air attack on Nanking , at 91,52

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 39,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 18

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Wusih , at 91,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 46,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 37

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
37 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Nanking , at 91,52

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 45,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 27

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 90,48 , near Hwainan

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 21
Ki-102a Randy x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 7 (4 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 90,48 , near Hwainan

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 46
Ki-102a Randy x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 11 (6 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion, at 88,52 (Anking)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 45
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 37 (2 destroyed, 35 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 90,48 , near Hwainan

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 32

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion, at 88,52 (Anking)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 14 (11 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion, at 88,52 (Anking)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 9 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 20 (16 destroyed, 4 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 44th Tank Battalion, at 90,54 , near Hangchow

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 42,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 30

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 12
F6F-5 Hellcat x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 5 destroyed


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Afternoon Air attack on Nanking , at 91,52

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 42,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 39

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 6
P-51D Mustang x 12
F4U-1D Corsair x 15
F6F-3 Hellcat x 2
F6F-5 Hellcat x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 4 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion, at 88,52 (Anking)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 29
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 15
Ki-100-II Tony x 20

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 1

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Luchow (88,51)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 2808 troops, 12 guns, 376 vehicles, Assault Value = 329

Defending force 1304 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 38

Allied adjusted assault: 32

Japanese adjusted defense: 4

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Luchow !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
949 casualties reported
Squads: 54 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
192nd Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
766th Tank Battalion
6th USMC Tank Battalion
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn

Defending units:
19th RGC Temp. Division

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Ground combat at Anking (88,52)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 120 troops, 1 guns, 41 vehicles, Assault Value = 73

Defending force 4968 troops, 88 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 137

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 89

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), supply(-)

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (11 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Assaulting units:
763rd Tank Battalion
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion

Defending units:
27th RGC Temp. Division
4th RGC Division
3rd Special Base Force

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Ground combat at 89,54 (near Wuhu)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 4200 troops, 38 guns, 414 vehicles, Assault Value = 1342

Defending force 27157 troops, 232 guns, 668 vehicles, Assault Value = 820

Allied adjusted assault: 270

Japanese adjusted defense: 970

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
416 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Vehicles lost 52 (14 destroyed, 38 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 38 (10 destroyed, 28 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
3rd Marine Division
4th Marine Division
775th Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
2/6th Armoured Regiment
225th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
3rd Tank Division
104th Division

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 29, 1945
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Night Naval bombardment of Shanghai at 92,55

Japanese Ships
ACM Hayakafuku Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy damage
ACM Shinko Maru #1, Shell hits 1, heavy damage
ACM Tosho Maru, Shell hits 5, on fire


Allied Ships
BB Iowa
BB South Dakota
CA Salt Lake City
CL Wilkes-Barre
DD Eaton
DD DeHaven
DD Converse
DD Cogswell
DD Chevalier
DD Chauncey
DD Boyd
DMS Forrest
DMS Palmer

Japanese ground losses:
182 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Merchant Shipyard hits 1
Light Industry hits 1
Airbase hits 13
Runway hits 19
Port hits 12
Port fuel hits 1

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Iowa
BB Iowa firing at Shanghai

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Morning Air attack on 44th Tank Battalion, at 90,54 , near Hangchow

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 42,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 20

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 6 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
8 x N1K5-J George sweeping at 39370 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nanking , at 91,52

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 39,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 10

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 4
P-38L Lightning x 3
P-51D Mustang x 4
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
F6F-3 Hellcat x 1
F6F-5 Hellcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Wusih , at 91,53

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 45,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 37

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 25
F6F-5 Hellcat x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 5 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Wusih , at 91,53

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 45,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 33

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 2
Hellcat I x 1
F4U-1D Corsair x 6
F6F-5 Hellcat x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
Hellcat I: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 5 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Nanking , at 91,52

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 38,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 4

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 1
P-38L Lightning x 3
P-51D Mustang x 4
F4U-1D Corsair x 5
F6F-3 Hellcat x 1
F6F-5 Hellcat x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 89,48 , near Hwainan

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 67
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 12
Ki-102a Randy x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 6 (3 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
35 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 89,48 , near Hwainan

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 48
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 44
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 6
Ki-100-II Tony x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 11 (9 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nanking , at 91,52

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 43,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 8

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 1
P-38L Lightning x 3
P-51D Mustang x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 5
F6F-5 Hellcat x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 4 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on 3rd Tank Division, at 89,54 , near Wuhu

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 18
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 34
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 20

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nanking , at 91,52

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 24

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 1
P-38L Lightning x 2
P-51D Mustang x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 2
F6F-5 Hellcat x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Ground combat at 89,54 (near Wuhu)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 37138 troops, 341 guns, 1052 vehicles, Assault Value = 1581

Defending force 37023 troops, 288 guns, 658 vehicles, Assault Value = 1060

Allied adjusted assault: 711

Japanese adjusted defense: 490

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1312 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 113 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Guns lost 40 (2 destroyed, 38 disabled)
Vehicles lost 90 (22 destroyed, 68 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
775th Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
670th Tank Destroyer Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
3rd Marine Division
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
4th Marine Division
706th Tank Battalion
2/6th Armoured Regiment
225th Field Artillery Battalion
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn /2
192nd Tank Bn /1

Defending units:
58th Division
3rd Tank Division
104th Division
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Ok. Back from Florence and back at it. A bit of a slowdown as I forgot my laptop cord on the trip. Doh!

A lot of action on the 30th. The Allies continue to pound troops in the x3 near Wuhu with 2E and 1E bombers. I set some LR CAP from Hangchow and they got to the 1E both in the morning and the afternoon. By the afternoon though the escorts were gone and the Allies lost a lot of bombers.

This hex is looking tough to hold though now as the Allies have moved in several more divisions for just over 3k AV. My reinforcements won't arrive in time to add if there is a full DA or SA next turn, so I'm thinking I'll have to retreat. I want to make sure the 3rd and 4th tank divisions in particular are not completely shattered. There is another x3 hex just behind I'll try to set up in.

Small forward tank units continue to be reduced and I should end up destroying 2-4 of them completely. At least this will discourage quick movement forward.

Down South Ki-83 sweep Georgetown and wreck the lower CAP but take losses once the better divers arrive. Still a very good outcome. The Allies continue to move slowly down Malaya, across Indochina toward Saigon and down toward Vinh.

One of the Allies best DDs, the French Triomphant, raids Singers but ends up paying the ultimate price. She sticks around too close and is first bombed by Jakes and then sunk by I-30 with two torpedoes.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 30, 1945
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Submarine attack near Fusan at 104,56

Japanese Ships
xAKL Kakuzan Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Halibut

xAKL Kakuzan Maru is sighted by SS Halibut
SS Halibut launches 4 torpedoes at xAKL Kakuzan Maru

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Night Naval bombardment of Hangchow at 90,55

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-100-II Tony: 6 damaged
N1K5-J George: 3 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 10 damaged
A7M2 Sam: 9 damaged
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84b Frank: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Ceylon
DD Zellars

Japanese ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Manpower hits 2
Fires 141
Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 38
Port hits 10
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

CL Ceylon firing at Hangchow
DD Zellars firing at Hangchow

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ASW attack near Miri at 64,85

Japanese Ships
PB Hakka Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Quillback

SS Quillback launches 4 torpedoes at PB Hakka Maru
Sub escapes detection

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Morning Air attack on Georgetown , at 49,74

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 47,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 38

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 22
Spitfire VIII x 19
Thunderbolt I x 11
Thunderbolt II x 8
P-38L Lightning x 27
P-40N5 Warhawk x 96
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16
P-51D Mustang x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 10 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on 104th Division, at 89,54 , near Wuhu

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 8
J2M5 Jack x 12
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 29
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-100-II Tony x 7

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 763rd Tank Battalion, at 88,52 (Anking)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 42
Ki-84b Frank x 16
Ki-100-II Tony x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 22 (3 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
21 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 104th Division, at 89,54 , near Wuhu

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 6
J2M5 Jack x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 26
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-100-II Tony x 5

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 6
F4U-1A Corsair x 13
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SB2C-4 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
2 x SB2C-4 Helldiver releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Tank Division, at 89,54 , near Wuhu

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 6
J2M5 Jack x 4
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-100-II Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 8
TBM-1C Avenger x 3
TBM-3 Avenger x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed
TBM-3 Avenger: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged


Aircraft Attacking:
9 x TBM-3 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Sasebo 8th SNLF, at 64,72 (Cam Ranh Bay)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter TF.X: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 3000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 58th Division, at 89,54 , near Wuhu

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 57
P-38L Lightning x 15

Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
126 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x A-26B Invader bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Taichow , at 92,52

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 43,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 32

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 7
P-51D Mustang x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 6 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Nanking , at 91,52

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 42,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 38

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 7
P-47N Thunderbolt x 15
P-51D Mustang x 19
F4U-1D Corsair x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed
P-47N Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Singapore at 50,84

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E13A1 Jake x 8
J2M5 Jack x 13
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 56
Ki-100-II Tony x 5

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt II: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Le Triomphant, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x E13A1 Jake bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 763rd Tank Battalion, at 88,52 (Anking)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 15
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 15
Ki-84b Frank x 6
Ki-100-II Tony x 6

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 2 destroyed


No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 3rd Tank Division, at 89,54 , near Wuhu

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 9
J2M5 Jack x 13
N1K5-J George x 18
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 26
Ki-84b Frank x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 15
Ki-100-II Tony x 30

Allied aircraft
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 10 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x SB2C-4 Helldiver releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 58th Division, at 89,54 , near Wuhu

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 9
J2M5 Jack x 13
N1K5-J George x 18
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 26
Ki-84b Frank x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 18
Ki-100-II Tony x 36

Allied aircraft
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 7 destroyed

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Submarine attack near Singapore at 50,84

Japanese Ships
SS I-30

Allied Ships
DD Le Triomphant, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

SS I-30 is sighted by DD Le Triomphant
Magazine explodes on DD Le Triomphant
SS I-30 launches 6 torpedoes

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Ground combat at 89,54 (near Wuhu)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 44799 troops, 446 guns, 1664 vehicles, Assault Value = 3115

Defending force 40770 troops, 314 guns, 1062 vehicles, Assault Value = 1107

Allied adjusted assault: 639

Japanese adjusted defense: 403

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3670 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 289 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled
Guns lost 64 (2 destroyed, 62 disabled)
Vehicles lost 64 (23 destroyed, 41 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
194 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 16 (4 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 105 (5 destroyed, 100 disabled)

Assaulting units:
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
670th Tank Destroyer Battalion
775th Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
3rd Marine Division
194th Tank Battalion
4th Marine Division
33rd Infantry Division
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
24th Infantry Division
96th Infantry Division
2/6th Armoured Regiment
2nd Medium Regiment
544th Field Artillery Battalion
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn /2
225th Field Artillery Battalion
154th FA Bn
192nd Tank Bn /1

Defending units:
4th Tank Division
58th Division
3rd Tank Division
104th Division

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Ground combat at Malacca (49,81)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 103 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9

Defending force 4800 troops, 31 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 163

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 150

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), preparation(-), morale(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
92 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
50th Indian Para Bde /3

Defending units:
27th Ind.Mixed Brigade
80th Garrison Battalion

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Allied Unit(s) Wiped Out at Malacca by attrition!!!!!!

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At this stage it's the little things that will keep Japan in the game. I've got to work to inflict damage on any troops or ships that stretch forward out of range of effective cover. It's a risky game that can also be exploited, so far the points it's still working.




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The allies do attack near Wuhu and mess up one small ID pretty badly. There were only two in hex, and the tanks made it away clean. It makes me wonder if they could have held if the tanks were there since the outcome was only 3:1 even though they were outnumbered at 10:1 in terms of AV. Too close to call though. Better not to risk it if it means one smaller defeat and a potential to hold one hex back.

Reinforcements have arrived and begin to dig. There will be about 3500AV of good IDs and tanks in hex with some AA and good HQs, including the China Expeditionary Army in range.

Down South the Allies sweep Singers in turn, and the defence gets almost 1:1. Some good results everywhere but also I forgot to turn off the Ki-83 hitting Georgetown, and the smaller group gets the worst of it today by 1:2. The total as reported are an exact 1:1 on the day at 80 losses for both sides.

Over the HI the first strat bombing in a bit hits Nagaoka with a small strike, and about 3-5 B-29s are knocked down by combined CAP/flak.
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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 14
P1Y2-S Frances x 2

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 3 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 10
P1Y2-S Frances x 1

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 3 damaged

Manpower hits 17
Fires 9350

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nanking , at 91,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 43,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 21

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x N1K5-J George sweeping at 39370 feet

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Morning Air attack on Georgetown , at 49,74

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 21

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 21
Spitfire VIII x 15
Thunderbolt I x 10
Thunderbolt II x 8
P-40N5 Warhawk x 87

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N5 Warhawk: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nanking , at 91,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 43,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 27

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 46,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 10
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 12
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 49
Ki-100-II Tony x 7
Ki-102b Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 6
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 49
Ki-100-II Tony x 6
Ki-102b Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 5
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 8
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 42
Ki-100-II Tony x 6
Ki-102b Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 89,48 , near Hwainan

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 35
Ki-102a Randy x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 9 (9 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
35 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 767th Tank Battalion, at 89,48 , near Hwainan

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 32
Ki-102a Randy x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 3
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 8
Ki-84r Frank x 37
Ki-100-II Tony x 4
Ki-102b Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 9
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt II: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 51 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 1
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 23
Ki-100-II Tony x 3
Ki-102b Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed

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Ground combat at 89,54 (near Wuhu)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 100228 troops, 1295 guns, 2518 vehicles, Assault Value = 4194

Defending force 22220 troops, 159 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 484

Allied adjusted assault: 1694

Japanese adjusted defense: 499

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
10660 casualties reported
Squads: 403 destroyed, 66 disabled
Non Combat: 220 destroyed, 53 disabled

Engineers: 20 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 69 (58 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 9 (6 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 1


Allied ground losses:
582 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 106 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Guns lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (5 destroyed, 9 disabled)


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
4th Marine Division
5th Australian Division
194th Tank Battalion
711th Tank Battalion
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
2nd Marine Division
33rd Infantry Division
96th Infantry Division
3rd Marine Division
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
2/6th Armoured Regiment
24th Infantry Division
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
2/4th Armoured Regiment
670th Tank Destroyer Battalion
775th Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
1st Army Tank Rgt /3
543 & 545 Field Artillery Battalion
X Corps Artillery
2nd Medium Regiment
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn /2
249th Field Artillery Battalion
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
154th FA Bn
225th Field Artillery Battalion
544th Field Artillery Battalion
192nd Tank Bn /1

Defending units:
58th Division
104th Division
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It's June 1, 1945!!!

A huge milestone for me to get to June still leading in VPs. The Allies landed at Shikuka in early June 44 but have only achieved about 7k strat bombing points during this year. They're approaching and will likely move ahead in early June once Saigon is captured.

Supply is going down a bit more quickly than I'd like as so many troops are taking replacements and filling out after arriving. I'm going to slow that process now on the HI since there is no immediate threat of invasion there, and there are already a good number of [R] troops in place to defend any landing. Fort building has almost ceased on the HI but a few more spots must get to forts 6-7 before turning all of them off.

I'm still filling out Ha-43 engine factories to equal needs, and that will be more important now as the J7W will begin building this month. This plane will first set up at Tokyo and Osaka, then to other big industrial centres. I'll be making 60/month.

The IJN is still around, but very reduced. The fast KB is in an undisclosed location with the remaining fast surface ships, the two BC and the five remaining CA plus all of the best DDs. The slower CV/CVL/CVE are visible to Allied search in the inner sea area. Their CAP will add to Home Island defence and they'll look for strays if opportunities present themselves.

The remaining slow BBs are protecting Nagasaki from bombardments by the Allies.

Pilot training is happening faster than ever with all of the training groups. I've changed as many as I can into extra CAP kamikazes, and will continue to do that. I don't need all of the kami pilots these can train really, so I may even withdraw some after the first crop is ready.




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The beginning of June goes well for the Japanese. More good sweeps of Chinese bases to draw CAP from the DS and surrounding areas. The Allies though get a good bombardment with the big guns at Shanghai, and a few sweeps hit tougher resistance. About 1:1 total on the day. The IJA ID still vulnerable to Allied attack does end up retreating and avoiding a slaughter near Wuhu.

Got a sub near Oosthaven. Nice when they're confined sunk.

Allied forward tanks take an empty Vinh. I won't bomb them here, but if they move toward Hanoi and get into the clear, I will. Small units will sacrificially slow the advance as pieces are flown out.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 1, 1945
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Submarine attack near Oosthaven at 47,97

Japanese Ships
E No.8
E Kanawa

Allied Ships
SS Thrasher, hits 37, and is sunk

SS Thrasher is sighted by escort
E No.8 attacking submerged sub ....
E No.8 attacking submerged sub ....
SS Thrasher forced to surface!
E No.8 firing on surfaced sub ....
E Kanawa firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

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Night Naval bombardment of Shanghai at 92,55

Allied Ships
BB Iowa
BB South Dakota
CA Salt Lake City
CL Wilkes-Barre
DD Eaton
DD DeHaven
DD Converse
DD Cogswell
DD Chevalier
DD Chauncey
DD Boyd
DMS Forrest
DMS Palmer

Japanese ground losses:
425 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 39 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 9 (8 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Manpower hits 5
Merchant Shipyard hits 1
Repair Shipyard hits 2
Resources hits 2
Light Industry hits 1
Fires 341
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 59
Port hits 15
Port fuel hits 3

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Iowa
BB Iowa firing at Shanghai

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Morning Air attack on 20th Army, at 88,54 , near Anking

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 1
N1K5-J George x 16

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 8 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 8
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 3
Ki-83 x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 35
Ki-100-II Tony x 6
Ki-102b Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Tungchow , at 92,53

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 9

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 16
P-51D Mustang x 85
FM-2 Wildcat x 12
F6F-5 Hellcat x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion, at 88,52 (Anking)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 32

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 11 (2 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 763rd Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion ...

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Morning Air attack on 763rd Tank Battalion, at 88,52 (Anking)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 23
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 11 (11 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 763rd Tank Battalion, at 88,52 (Anking)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 45
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 24

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 25 (20 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 4000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Tungchow , at 92,53

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 198 NM, estimated altitude 45,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 48 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 40

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 16
P-51D Mustang x 78
FM-2 Wildcat x 12
F6F-5 Hellcat x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
35 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Tank Division, at 88,54 , near Anking

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 6
A-26B Invader x 20
B-24J Liberator x 36
P-38L Lightning x 6
P-51D Mustang x 16
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 9
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 17
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 3
PV-1 Ventura x 11
PV-2 Harpoon x 3

Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 1 damaged
A-26B Invader: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 13 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 2 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 5 damaged
PBJ-1J Mitchell: 1 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 8 damaged
PV-2 Harpoon: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 46,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 8
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 6
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 3
Ki-83 x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 34
Ki-100-II Tony x 5
Ki-102b Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Tungchow , at 92,53

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 41,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 27

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 16
P-51D Mustang x 74
FM-2 Wildcat x 9
F6F-5 Hellcat x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 5 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed


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Ground combat at Vinh (65,59)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 4078 troops, 18 guns, 281 vehicles, Assault Value = 539

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 360

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 360 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Vinh !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+)

Assaulting units:
754th Tank Battalion
255th Indian Tank Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
3rd Cavalry Regiment

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/31/2019 12:59:00 AM   
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June 1, 1945


It's June 1, 1945!!!

A huge milestone for me to get to June still leading in VPs. The Allies landed at Shikuka in early June 44 but have only achieved about 7k strat bombing points during this year. They're approaching and will likely move ahead in early June once Saigon is captured.

Supply is going down a bit more quickly than I'd like as so many troops are taking replacements and filling out after arriving. I'm going to slow that process now on the HI since there is no immediate threat of invasion there, and there are already a good number of [R] troops in place to defend any landing. Fort building has almost ceased on the HI but a few more spots must get to forts 6-7 before turning all of them off.

I'm still filling out Ha-43 engine factories to equal needs, and that will be more important now as the J7W will begin building this month. This plane will first set up at Tokyo and Osaka, then to other big industrial centres. I'll be making 60/month.

The IJN is still around, but very reduced. The fast KB is in an undisclosed location with the remaining fast surface ships, the two BC and the five remaining CA plus all of the best DDs. The slower CV/CVL/CVE are visible to Allied search in the inner sea area. Their CAP will add to Home Island defence and they'll look for strays if opportunities present themselves.

The remaining slow BBs are protecting Nagasaki from bombardments by the Allies.

Pilot training is happening faster than ever with all of the training groups. I've changed as many as I can into extra CAP kamikazes, and will continue to do that. I don't need all of the kami pilots these can train really, so I may even withdraw some after the first crop is ready.





Only 3 more months to avoid an Allied auto victory.

The Soviets will automatically activate on 1 August 1945. In your position I would not wait until that date. In typical historical Japanese fashion I would launch a surprise attack on 30 or 31 July. The attack would focus on

(a) hitting his airfields to hit the parked bombers

(b) a small land offensive to cut the Trans Siberian railway at Mogocha or Skovorodino. Both those bases will have about a regt worth of defenders and you can park your attackers at the Japanese dot base Moho. With the 15kAV currently in Manchukuo it should be easy to rustle up a couple of divs for the operation.

Depending on whether you hit Vladivostok and if so the results ensuing, the second day could see a port strike against the newly activated (+1 day) Soviet fleet before it has been fully organised into task forces.

Activating the Soviets 1 or 2 days early is not that advantageous to the Allies and can be a good defensive move on your part if properly planned.

Alfred

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Nasty!

I like it.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

June 1, 1945


It's June 1, 1945!!!

A huge milestone for me to get to June still leading in VPs. The Allies landed at Shikuka in early June 44 but have only achieved about 7k strat bombing points during this year. They're approaching and will likely move ahead in early June once Saigon is captured.

Supply is going down a bit more quickly than I'd like as so many troops are taking replacements and filling out after arriving. I'm going to slow that process now on the HI since there is no immediate threat of invasion there, and there are already a good number of [R] troops in place to defend any landing. Fort building has almost ceased on the HI but a few more spots must get to forts 6-7 before turning all of them off.

I'm still filling out Ha-43 engine factories to equal needs, and that will be more important now as the J7W will begin building this month. This plane will first set up at Tokyo and Osaka, then to other big industrial centres. I'll be making 60/month.

The IJN is still around, but very reduced. The fast KB is in an undisclosed location with the remaining fast surface ships, the two BC and the five remaining CA plus all of the best DDs. The slower CV/CVL/CVE are visible to Allied search in the inner sea area. Their CAP will add to Home Island defence and they'll look for strays if opportunities present themselves.

The remaining slow BBs are protecting Nagasaki from bombardments by the Allies.

Pilot training is happening faster than ever with all of the training groups. I've changed as many as I can into extra CAP kamikazes, and will continue to do that. I don't need all of the kami pilots these can train really, so I may even withdraw some after the first crop is ready.



Only 3 more months to avoid an Allied auto victory.

The Soviets will automatically activate on 1 August 1945. In your position I would not wait until that date. In typical historical Japanese fashion I would launch a surprise attack on 30 or 31 July. The attack would focus on

(a) hitting his airfields to hit the parked bombers

(b) a small land offensive to cut the Trans Siberian railway at Mogocha or Skovorodino. Both those bases will have about a regt worth of defenders and you can park your attackers at the Japanese dot base Moho. With the 15kAV currently in Manchukuo it should be easy to rustle up a couple of divs for the operation.

Depending on whether you hit Vladivostok and if so the results ensuing, the second day could see a port strike against the newly activated (+1 day) Soviet fleet before it has been fully organised into task forces.

Activating the Soviets 1 or 2 days early is not that advantageous to the Allies and can be a good defensive move on your part if properly planned.

Alfred


Fantastic idea. I do have a lot of troops in Manchuria and about 2/3 of them are unknown to Allied recon and already in strat mode. I'm guessing cutting the rail would be more annoyance than deterrent at that point since the Soviets will have the majority of their troops staged to move over the border. Still, it'd be fun. The airstrikes would be very useful though.

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A couple of caveats to add:

- What's the worth of maintaining air assets over Singapore at this late stage? I'd suggest drawing down your assets as much as possible and keeping a small cadre for LRCAP traps. Don't bother with defensive CAP and just fight a guerrilla air war from Sumatran air bases. Send the rest of the planes to Japan where they'll do more good.

- Regarding the strike on the Soviet fleet after activation: you can be sure that the Allies will have a ball of yarn CAP over Vladivostok. Massive sweeps by your best modern planes can net you a nice VP haul.

- Strategic control of the Sea of Japan and Tsushima/Fusan is imperative. If you lose it, it nearly doubles the length of coastline you need to protect.

- If you think it's a worthwhile target, I'd consider sending destroyer bombardment raids against the Allied bases off Okinawa and Ishigaki. Stack a couple of dive bomber squadrons on nearby bases in case the Allies take the bait and send ships south.

- The 60 days you have till August is time to get Manchuria and Korea absolutely locked down, if you haven't already. Pick your dispositions wisely. There's a lot of value in deploying just enough AV to hold of the Soviet armoured units and forcing them to wait for the infantry and arty to blast a path open. However you need to balance that with not dispersing your forces. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the Soviet arrival bases and deploy accordingly. In general, the eastern flank towards Vladivostok is a slow-burner, while the Soviet push from Outer Mongolia tends to build up speed quickly.

- From past experiences, I'd put extra emphasis on defending the region south-east of Hailar (abandon Hilar proper, fight to the south-east), at Arshaan, at Linshi and the yellow road between Arshaan and Linshi. The Arshaan-Linhsi area is where the bulk of the big Soviet tank corps will be deployed.

- Manchuria is more or less the last theatre where the Japanese are likely to have air superority. Maximizing that to get VP's from aircraft and ground bombing is going to help make up for your losses elsewhere. Flying your bomber fleets at 10-11k and carpet bombing Soviet units is going to be your best bet to generate VP's. Soviet units are worth half the VP's that Allied units are (1 VP = 6 devices), but I wouldn't let that concern you too much as the Soviets are going to be pushing forward into open terrain and their fighters tend to be short-legged.

- It's also the only theatre where you'll have naval superiority as well, but be careful! Soviet subs, mines and CD guns are no joke. If Soviet units move into coastal Japanese territory, then go to town on them with your fleet, but I'd really caution against striking Soviet bases as being a bad return.

- Flooding the sea of Japan with air ASW and search will be a requirement as well. The Sovs get 48 subs, scattered all over. At 10 VP a pop, it's worth it to sink a couple.

FWIW, I remain confident that you can weather the storm and prevent the auto-victory. You'll get horribly mauled, but I think preventing the Auto-vic is the real win here :)

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Fantastic idea. I do have a lot of troops in Manchuria and about 2/3 of them are unknown to Allied recon and already in strat mode. I'm guessing cutting the rail would be more annoyance than deterrent at that point since the Soviets will have the majority of their troops staged to move over the border. Still, it'd be fun. The airstrikes would be very useful though.


Correct, definitely not a deterrent. The Soviet forces arrive pre activation at their historical jumping off locations, poised to immediately strike into key Manchurian territory. As such the move towards Skovorodino/Mogocha will have no immediate impact on the initial Soviet offensive which will roar out of the Borcza (sp) axis.

The point of the move is twofold. Firstly it will probably come as a shock to the Allies. Most players expect the Japanese to hunker down defensively to meet the powerful Soviet forces. Launching this small offensive demonstrates you are not going to be limited to passive positions but are prepared to engage in manoeuvre. This imposes some discipline on the Allied player who can't just assume they can neglect flanks, supply depots etc.

Secondly the rear area Soviet bases are not that well covered as the focus is very much on the shwerpunckt. If you can capture this Soviet territory (and it is probably only a 50:50 chance) it will have a limited impact on the logistics of the Soviet offensives crossing the Amur but more importantly it opens up the possibility of moving to Shilka and the important Chita base. Capture Chita (it won't be strongly defended) and now you really do start to imposes some constraints on the Borcza axis, both in logistical and air support terms.

This can all be easily stymied by the Soviets but will they actually weaken their offensives in order to do so. My guess is probably not initially but once you start menacing Chita that can't be ignored. Operating on the Trans Siberian railway means you will have the better transportation links with the attendant LCU speed benefits it confers. Ultimately what you throw into this offensive needs to be thought of as land "kamikazes" albeit with a much higher survival rate than real kamikaze air units. All made possible by currently having 15kAV in situ.

As to the air strikes, well Japanese bombers don't have the same payload as Allied bombers do plus if your opponent has been diligent he would have been building up his fortification levels, so don't expect an equivalent result to the Israeli strikes of 1967. Nonetheless they will achieve some results and certainly better than just waiting for the incoming Soviet air strikes. In August 1945 the Soviet air force has some good fighters. Remember to place a sub at any Soviet port you do decide to strike in order to retrieve downed pilots.

If you can gain air superiority over Manchuria it will go a long way towards evening the land combat against the powerful Soviet land forces. In fact you will be well rewarded in having some crack fighter units up there to meet the early Soviet offensives.

For a really far out idea, if you can scrounge up some paratroopers and very long range aircraft, you could look at dropping them onto some of those very isolated Soviet bases in the vicinity of Kamchatka (sp). They will have minimal Soviet garrisons and their supply levels will not be great,, so a preemptive drop might succeed, especially if you can sneak in some additional AV via Fast Transport. This however would be very iffy probably no better than a 10% chance of success (probably even less in sneaking in the Fast Transport). But then what else are you going to do with the KB. A Death Star still anchored in the East China Sea would allow the KB a quick run in (and equally quick run out) to cover any Fast Transports from Allied aircraft operating out of Sakhalin and Hokkaido.

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June 2-3, 1945


The Allies appear to not be moving forward now toward our reinforced position North of Chusien after forcing the smaller blockade back. The IJA has managed to get some of the arty and AA from Burma which will march in from Changsha and has a good 3k AV blocking with about 2k AV in reserve.

The Allies seem to be happy to target air strikes to smaller concentrations of ground forces almost randomly. They're moderately effective, but haven't made a dent in any of the critical defensive areas with this tactic. I'm interested in the next stage here. Some vectors are open, but others have been reinforced. I've take from a few rear areas to do this and will now begin backfilling with recently arrived troops.

Sweeps go both ways today with a disastrous Ki-82 sweep to Nanking, and an equally bad Allied sweep of Wuchang. Hard to fathom how the P-47N got essentially 1:2 against a small number of N1K5 Georges in only a two layered low CAP.

Down South the Allies have invested and made a small attack on Saigon. That base will fall shortly and give the Allies their first VP lead since late 41. They take more territory around Indochina but haven't brought the major Army forward here yet. I'm beginning to wonder if he's decided to bring in amphibs and move by sea. That would be a tad more risky without owning Singers, but could provide a quick access to the soft underbelly of China.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 2, 1945
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Sub attack near Bunguran at 59,84

Japanese Ships
xAP Hoten Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PC Ashi

Allied Ships
SS Templar, hits 4

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

SS Templar launches 6 torpedoes at xAP Hoten Maru
Templar bottoming out ....

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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 6

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 3 damaged

Manpower hits 1
Fires 853

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nanking , at 91,52

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 45,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 35

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 7
P-47N Thunderbolt x 17
P-51D Mustang x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on 763rd Tank Battalion, at 88,51 (Luchow)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 29

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 12 (8 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion, at 88,51 (Luchow)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Wuchang , at 84,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 36

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 6 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 31st Ind.Mixed Regiment, at 88,55 , near Chuhsien

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 9
Liberator B.VI x 8
Liberator GR.VI x 10
A-26B Invader x 18
B-24J Liberator x 23
P-38L Lightning x 4
P-51D Mustang x 9
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 10
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 4

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 2 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 7 damaged
A-26B Invader: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 2 damaged
PBJ-1J Mitchell: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
776 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 3, 1945
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ASW attack near Hankow at 85,50

Japanese Ships
SS I-44, hits 14

Allied Ships
DD Madison

SS I-44 is sighted by escort
DD Madison fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Madison attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Night Naval bombardment of Hankow at 85,50

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 15 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 7 damaged
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 7 damaged
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84b Frank: 1 damaged
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed on ground

Ki-84r Frank: 2 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 2 damaged
Ki-102a Randy: 2 damaged
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
DD Madison
DD Mayo

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12

DD Madison firing at Hankow
DD Mayo firing at Hankow

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Wakkanai at 122,48

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E13A1b Jake x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1b Jake: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
LCT-324, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
LCT-180, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk


Aircraft Attacking:
8 x E13A1b Jake bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Det. 3rd Special Base Force, at 91,55 , near Shanghai

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 18
Liberator B.VI x 22
Liberator GR.VI x 13
A-26B Invader x 44
B-24J Liberator x 33
P-38L Lightning x 28
P-51D Mustang x 20
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 11
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 23
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 3
PV-1 Ventura x 11
PV-2 Harpoon x 13

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 4 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 6 damaged
A-26B Invader: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 16 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 4 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 4 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 8 damaged
PV-2 Harpoon: 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
829 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 19 destroyed, 65 disabled

Engineers: 5 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 25 (9 destroyed, 16 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 66,58 (near Vinh)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1596 troops, 6 guns, 146 vehicles, Assault Value = 541

Defending force 1047 troops, 0 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 33

Allied adjusted assault: 69

Japanese adjusted defense: 9

Allied assault odds: 7 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), morale(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
450 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Units retreated 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
255th Indian Tank Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
254th Armoured Brigade
3rd Cavalry Regiment

Defending units:
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF

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Ground combat at Malacca (49,81)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4736 troops, 60 guns, 95 vehicles, Assault Value = 102

Defending force 773 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28

Allied adjusted assault: 42

Japanese adjusted defense: 2

Allied assault odds: 21 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Malacca !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
551 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
475th USA Regiment
2nd Indian Medium Regiment

Defending units:
80th Garrison Battalion

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Ground combat at Saigon (60,71)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4144 troops, 89 guns, 208 vehicles, Assault Value = 2816

Defending force 1200 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 27

Allied adjusted assault: 60

Japanese adjusted defense: 45

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
106 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
9th Indian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
3rd New Chinese Corps
1st New Chinese Corps
5th Indian Division
122nd British AT Gun Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
134th Medium Regiment

Defending units:
Cape St.Jaques Fortress

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/1/2019 11:49:59 AM   
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The Allied bombing has some effect on the 4th, wiping out a good SNLF unit in strat mode, unfortunately. I'll quickly buy it back, but there goes it's experience level.

Not much else happening, as there is a lull in sweeps and troop movements. Is he waiting for something?

On the 5th some DDs go upriver and hit Hankow again. Annoying. I've put mines there but will now add them downriver to hopefully make this more costly.

A few more bases fall in Indochina.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 4, 1945
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Morning Air attack on Kure 7th SNLF, at 91,47 (Suchow)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 7
Liberator B.VI x 6
A-26B Invader x 39
B-24J Liberator x 22
P-38L Lightning x 21
P-51D Mustang x 23
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 11
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 14
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 12
PV-2 Harpoon x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 10 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 5 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 2 damaged
PBJ-1J Mitchell: 3 damaged
PV-2 Harpoon: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
1247 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 27 destroyed, 57 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 60 (14 destroyed, 46 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
14 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Saigon (60,71)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 89097 troops, 959 guns, 703 vehicles, Assault Value = 2930

Defending force 1128 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 19

Allied adjusted assault: 1436

Japanese adjusted defense: 3

Allied assault odds: 478 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Saigon !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: op mode(-), shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1308 casualties reported
Squads: 34 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 24 (24 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Commando Brigade
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
1st New Chinese Corps
9th Indian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
3rd New Chinese Corps
5th Indian Division
122nd British AT Gun Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
134th Medium Regiment

Defending units:
Cape St.Jaques Fortress

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 5, 1945
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Night Naval bombardment of Hankow at 85,50 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 12 damaged
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 11 damaged
Ki-83: 1 damaged
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground

49 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Madison
DD Mayo, Shell hits 1

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 23

DD Madison firing at Hankow
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DD Mayo
DD Mayo firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion

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Ground combat at Hue (66,64)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 4182 troops, 18 guns, 282 vehicles, Assault Value = 208

Defending force 1383 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 45

Allied adjusted assault: 308

Japanese adjusted defense: 47

Allied assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Hue !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
681 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Units retreated 2

Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
50th Tank Brigade

Defending units:
2nd Raiding Force
4th South Seas Gsn


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Ground combat at Victoria Point (51,66)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3494 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 141

Defending force 1484 troops, 20 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 4

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 64

Japanese adjusted defense: 15

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
111th Chindit Brigade

Defending units:
1st RF Gun Battalion
80th JAAF AF Bn
17th JAAF AF Bn
120th Div /1

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/1/2019 12:47:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

A couple of caveats to add:

- What's the worth of maintaining air assets over Singapore at this late stage? I'd suggest drawing down your assets as much as possible and keeping a small cadre for LRCAP traps. Don't bother with defensive CAP and just fight a guerrilla air war from Sumatran air bases. Send the rest of the planes to Japan where they'll do more good.



I think the passage from the IO to the South China Sea is a vital defensive area, and an active Singers allows use and continued transport from the DEI. It also inhibits passage by the RN which would open up any part of the map South of Japan without the DS having to leave it's station in China. It's also a huge VP turn, and if I hold it well, I could force a costly campaign there.

I've got mostly second string IJAAF air groups here, with some from the mini-KB which is currently non-operational. If I also keep Johore Baru then I've got a mini rail line and mutually supporting bases. I think I can do that for a good while. Johore is not easily bombarded either since ships would have to move through Singers. The more I wear out Allied air forces here the less they'll have for the North and China, which is the more important area for them to be sweeping and bombing now.

Dan has a tendency to focus assets, but leaves large swathes of territory untouched. If he's going to do that then I should take advantage and force him to move on those areas eventually, opening the position and weakening each individual Allied node location.

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- Regarding the strike on the Soviet fleet after activation: you can be sure that the Allies will have a ball of yarn CAP over Vladivostok. Massive sweeps by your best modern planes can net you a nice VP haul.

- Strategic control of the Sea of Japan and Tsushima/Fusan is imperative. If you lose it, it nearly doubles the length of coastline you need to protect.



Please go for Tsushima, please go for Tsushima, please ...

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- If you think it's a worthwhile target, I'd consider sending destroyer bombardment raids against the Allied bases off Okinawa and Ishigaki. Stack a couple of dive bomber squadrons on nearby bases in case the Allies take the bait and send ships south.



I've been watching but there isn't much going on there yet. No planes in those bases anyway.

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- The 60 days you have till August is time to get Manchuria and Korea absolutely locked down, if you haven't already. Pick your dispositions wisely. There's a lot of value in deploying just enough AV to hold of the Soviet armoured units and forcing them to wait for the infantry and arty to blast a path open. However you need to balance that with not dispersing your forces. I suggest you familiarise yourself with the Soviet arrival bases and deploy accordingly. In general, the eastern flank towards Vladivostok is a slow-burner, while the Soviet push from Outer Mongolia tends to build up speed quickly.

- From past experiences, I'd put extra emphasis on defending the region south-east of Hailar (abandon Hilar proper, fight to the south-east), at Arshaan, at Linshi and the yellow road between Arshaan and Linshi. The Arshaan-Linhsi area is where the bulk of the big Soviet tank corps will be deployed.

- Manchuria is more or less the last theatre where the Japanese are likely to have air superority. Maximizing that to get VP's from aircraft and ground bombing is going to help make up for your losses elsewhere. Flying your bomber fleets at 10-11k and carpet bombing Soviet units is going to be your best bet to generate VP's. Soviet units are worth half the VP's that Allied units are (1 VP = 6 devices), but I wouldn't let that concern you too much as the Soviets are going to be pushing forward into open terrain and their fighters tend to be short-legged.


No defensive stands will happen ni Manchuria outside of x3 hexes if I can help it. I'll set up in those spots and sit until pushed back. I'll shorten the border considerably, and even abandon the majority of the border forts to their fate.

I might be able to do well in the air, but it all depends on how busy Dan (and predecessors) have been training Soviet pilots. The best Soviet fighters should do well, so I have to hope they don't have good defensive skill. They are all probably 75+ exp after flying CAP for years.

Dan will use the Soviet activation as a distraction to whatever else he's planning at the time, so air groups involved may not be as plentiful as I'd like.

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- It's also the only theatre where you'll have naval superiority as well, but be careful! Soviet subs, mines and CD guns are no joke. If Soviet units move into coastal Japanese territory, then go to town on them with your fleet, but I'd really caution against striking Soviet bases as being a bad return.

- Flooding the sea of Japan with air ASW and search will be a requirement as well. The Sovs get 48 subs, scattered all over. At 10 VP a pop, it's worth it to sink a couple.



Now that I've played with the Soviet forces for a year I'm pretty aware of their abilities. The DDs are also good, although few, but I don't have much IJN left either, so they could be used effectively in the Japanese Sea.

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FWIW, I remain confident that you can weather the storm and prevent the auto-victory. You'll get horribly mauled, but I think preventing the Auto-vic is the real win here :)



Mauling is what it's all about in 45 for Japan!

I'm curious if he'll open up and play more fluidly, breaking up the mega-DS and making more landings. We'll see. It'll be interesting, but glad I still have a chance to fight.


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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/1/2019 2:26:10 PM   
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If Dan is leaving bases exposed, get small units (especially paratroopers) into position and recapture them. They'll probably have some supplies that you can pilfer, and at the very least it will run down the clock.


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ORIGINAL: Alfred


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert


Fantastic idea. I do have a lot of troops in Manchuria and about 2/3 of them are unknown to Allied recon and already in strat mode. I'm guessing cutting the rail would be more annoyance than deterrent at that point since the Soviets will have the majority of their troops staged to move over the border. Still, it'd be fun. The airstrikes would be very useful though.


Correct, definitely not a deterrent. The Soviet forces arrive pre activation at their historical jumping off locations, poised to immediately strike into key Manchurian territory. As such the move towards Skovorodino/Mogocha will have no immediate impact on the initial Soviet offensive which will roar out of the Borcza (sp) axis.

The point of the move is twofold. Firstly it will probably come as a shock to the Allies. Most players expect the Japanese to hunker down defensively to meet the powerful Soviet forces. Launching this small offensive demonstrates you are not going to be limited to passive positions but are prepared to engage in manoeuvre. This imposes some discipline on the Allied player who can't just assume they can neglect flanks, supply depots etc.

Secondly the rear area Soviet bases are not that well covered as the focus is very much on the shwerpunckt. If you can capture this Soviet territory (and it is probably only a 50:50 chance) it will have a limited impact on the logistics of the Soviet offensives crossing the Amur but more importantly it opens up the possibility of moving to Shilka and the important Chita base. Capture Chita (it won't be strongly defended) and now you really do start to imposes some constraints on the Borcza axis, both in logistical and air support terms.

This can all be easily stymied by the Soviets but will they actually weaken their offensives in order to do so. My guess is probably not initially but once you start menacing Chita that can't be ignored. Operating on the Trans Siberian railway means you will have the better transportation links with the attendant LCU speed benefits it confers. Ultimately what you throw into this offensive needs to be thought of as land "kamikazes" albeit with a much higher survival rate than real kamikaze air units. All made possible by currently having 15kAV in situ.

As to the air strikes, well Japanese bombers don't have the same payload as Allied bombers do plus if your opponent has been diligent he would have been building up his fortification levels, so don't expect an equivalent result to the Israeli strikes of 1967. Nonetheless they will achieve some results and certainly better than just waiting for the incoming Soviet air strikes. In August 1945 the Soviet air force has some good fighters. Remember to place a sub at any Soviet port you do decide to strike in order to retrieve downed pilots.

If you can gain air superiority over Manchuria it will go a long way towards evening the land combat against the powerful Soviet land forces. In fact you will be well rewarded in having some crack fighter units up there to meet the early Soviet offensives.

For a really far out idea, if you can scrounge up some paratroopers and very long range aircraft, you could look at dropping them onto some of those very isolated Soviet bases in the vicinity of Kamchatka (sp). They will have minimal Soviet garrisons and their supply levels will not be great,, so a preemptive drop might succeed, especially if you can sneak in some additional AV via Fast Transport. This however would be very iffy probably no better than a 10% chance of success (probably even less in sneaking in the Fast Transport). But then what else are you going to do with the KB. A Death Star still anchored in the East China Sea would allow the KB a quick run in (and equally quick run out) to cover any Fast Transports from Allied aircraft operating out of Sakhalin and Hokkaido.

Alfred

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Remember to place a sub at any Soviet port you do decide to strike in order to retrieve downed pilots.



I've always thought this was forum lore! Is it actually the case that naval assets present in a hex influences pilot survival rates? TMYK.

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I've always thought this was forum lore! Is it actually the case that naval assets present in a hex influences pilot survival rates? TMYK.

Yes, certainly confirmed by Devs; I don't recall but it might even be in the manual.

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A noobish question: How many VPs are still on the map for the Allies in total China, DEI and the other still occupied territories?

An exellent retreat btw of the victorious Burma army. Regarding your air superority the world wonders if we would see another strictly nothern approach soon.
You get still tankers through? Don't want being rude but ... - - - omg :-)

Couldn't help myself but fall in laughter by Alfred's suggestion... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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ORIGINAL: Wuffer

A noobish question: How many VPs are still on the map for the Allies in total China, DEI and the other still occupied territories?



Quit a lot of base VPs are available in Western China and around Chungking/Chengtu. Since this game as set up has an HR against stra bombing in China it's possible to keep them supplied (thus earning full VPs while the Japanese have them) so I'll prioritise protecting those deep bases from Sian to Lanchow and Chungking of course.

Most of the Burma Army will set up around Nanning and on approaches to Chungking. I'll still defend Canton and Hong Kong heavily, also big VP bases. Shanghai of course is another and is now fairly well defended but the Allies are on the doorstep. It should at least take some doing and maybe earn some troop Ops back if he goes for it.

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An exellent retreat btw of the victorious Burma army. Regarding your air superority the world wonders if we would see another strictly nothern approach soon.
You get still tankers through? Don't want being rude but ... - - - omg :-)



I've got about 150k resources and 70k oil/60k fuel now approaching through the Bonins toward Tokyo, and a steady stream behind them coming up from Babeldaob. I'm running bigger convoys to make sub activity tougher for the Allies. Lots of Es arriving now which helps.

I've also begun resuming resource shipments from Hokkaido which seems to be forgotten for the moment in the rush to China. There aren't many still being made there but there are about 2 million stored in various bases, so it's a nice stash if I can continue to access them.

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Couldn't help myself but fall in laughter by Alfred's suggestion... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


It's a decent suggestion. Anything to throw the Allies off at limited risk is good at that stage. By late August I'm just trying to keep my head above water and avoid massive retreating troop losses, so some VPs from airstrikes I choose, which give the Soviets a potential bloody nose, would be great. The rail cut would take only a few of the many troops in Manchuria, and if he does divert some to dig them out, that is fewer marching to Korea.

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

If Dan is leaving bases exposed, get small units (especially paratroopers) into position and recapture them. They'll probably have some supplies that you can pilfer, and at the very least it will run down the clock.



I just did that!

No supplies in the first one though. Still, if I can take a few it might temporarily interrupt supply flow to the front for Allied troops as well.

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quote:

Remember to place a sub at any Soviet port you do decide to strike in order to retrieve downed pilots.



I've always thought this was forum lore! Is it actually the case that naval assets present in a hex influences pilot survival rates? TMYK.



It does work. Vlad will have plentiful mines so that may not be a location where subs would work, but other spots could be okay.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/2/2019 7:47:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alfred


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert


Fantastic idea. I do have a lot of troops in Manchuria and about 2/3 of them are unknown to Allied recon and already in strat mode. I'm guessing cutting the rail would be more annoyance than deterrent at that point since the Soviets will have the majority of their troops staged to move over the border. Still, it'd be fun. The airstrikes would be very useful though.



As to the air strikes, well Japanese bombers don't have the same payload as Allied bombers do plus if your opponent has been diligent he would have been building up his fortification levels, so don't expect an equivalent result to the Israeli strikes of 1967. Nonetheless they will achieve some results and certainly better than just waiting for the incoming Soviet air strikes. In August 1945 the Soviet air force has some good fighters. Remember to place a sub at any Soviet port you do decide to strike in order to retrieve downed pilots.

If you can gain air superiority over Manchuria it will go a long way towards evening the land combat against the powerful Soviet land forces. In fact you will be well rewarded in having some crack fighter units up there to meet the early Soviet offensives.



A question here. I can't remember if Soviet industry damage nets strategic points for the Japanese? If so, that would be very useful.

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For a really far out idea, if you can scrounge up some paratroopers and very long range aircraft, you could look at dropping them onto some of those very isolated Soviet bases in the vicinity of Kamchatka (sp). They will have minimal Soviet garrisons and their supply levels will not be great,, so a preemptive drop might succeed, especially if you can sneak in some additional AV via Fast Transport. This however would be very iffy probably no better than a 10% chance of success (probably even less in sneaking in the Fast Transport). But then what else are you going to do with the KB. A Death Star still anchored in the East China Sea would allow the KB a quick run in (and equally quick run out) to cover any Fast Transports from Allied aircraft operating out of Sakhalin and Hokkaido.

Alfred


Most of my paras are currently in the DEI and retreating from Indochina as fragments on the rails and in middle China. I'll transition them North to start making the Allies stay honest as they're leaving a lot of bases empty once captured.

It could work up there, but I think other options might be deep bases in the North. Since I have long legged transports I could fly up to the Northern rail bases on the trans-siberian as well, I think. I'll look at it.

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