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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/12/2012 12:46:28 AM   
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I'm glad I put 'last surviving' in my text, looks like there's a few contenders for that accolade actually.

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I count 16 surviving WW2 submarines, including U-505 and one former US boat in Turkey.

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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/12/2012 2:06:29 AM   
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There's also USS Drum in Mobile next to the BB Alabama. So there's a least a few good ones out there left. IIRC even U505 in Chicago for Uboats is still around

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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/12/2012 2:17:36 AM   
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Though it's been argued that tearing out the reactors destroys so much of the hull that


I'm sort of a literal fellow and can't always tell if someone is pulling my leg. So... are you joking? We're talking about CV-6, right? Not CV/CNV-65. CV-6 never had reactors. The only Yorktown class CV to survive the war, and apart from Ranger the only at-start US CV to survive the war. And they just -- abandoned her.


Sorry. I was talking about the CVN. She's due to retire this year or the next and there's talk of converting her into a museum ship. Some are saying that would be fiscally and physically impractical because of the costs and resultant physical damage to the hull associated with removal of the reactors, and making the necessary repairs afterwards for conversion. I tend not to agree with that argument. Many years down the road many will look back and say "we should have converted the Enterprise"...

Reading your post I thought they had already come to a decision. Wrong boat...

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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/12/2012 5:57:52 AM   
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Though it's been argued that tearing out the reactors destroys so much of the hull that


I'm sort of a literal fellow and can't always tell if someone is pulling my leg. So... are you joking? We're talking about CV-6, right? Not CV/CNV-65. CV-6 never had reactors. The only Yorktown class CV to survive the war, and apart from Ranger the only at-start US CV to survive the war. And they just -- abandoned her.


Sorry. I was talking about the CVN. She's due to retire this year or the next and there's talk of converting her into a museum ship. Some are saying that would be fiscally and physically impractical because of the costs and resultant physical damage to the hull associated with removal of the reactors, and making the necessary repairs afterwards for conversion. I tend not to agree with that argument. Many years down the road many will look back and say "we should have converted the Enterprise"...

Reading your post I thought they had already come to a decision. Wrong boat...


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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/12/2012 12:23:39 PM   
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Just a few notes on the merchant ships:
The Liberty ships were built with 4-cylinder triple expansion reciprocating engines. They averaged about 11 knots. 'Large slow moving target' was an apt descrition for this class of vessel.
Victory ships came along later in the war, when US production was up to speed. These were larger and faster ships, equipped with geared steam turbine propusion; they came basicly in 2 flavors, the 6ooo hp ships could make 15 knots; the 8500 hp ships could make 17 knots. There is an operating Victory ship in the Tampa area, that a retired Cheif Engineer freind of mine voluteers his spare time on. Sorry........ the ship's name escapes me at the moment.

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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/12/2012 3:07:42 PM   
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SS American Victory.

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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/12/2012 6:47:22 PM   
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Though it's been argued that tearing out the reactors destroys so much of the hull that


I'm sort of a literal fellow and can't always tell if someone is pulling my leg. So... are you joking? We're talking about CV-6, right? Not CV/CNV-65. CV-6 never had reactors. The only Yorktown class CV to survive the war, and apart from Ranger the only at-start US CV to survive the war. And they just -- abandoned her.


The USS Saratoga survived the war. You are right though, one of those two ships should have been saved. The sad part was that the Enterprise had support for preservation but had no one really step up financially to preserve her. Something like what the USS Olympia is going through right now.




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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/12/2012 6:56:22 PM   
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An interesting side note. USS Pampanito starred in the comedy "Down Periscope" (with Kelsey Grammer as her skipper) as the "USS Stingray." It is a very funny send-up of WW2 movies that rivals "Operation Petticoat." If you have not seen it you should.


I agree. Good flick, and funny. I understand that Pompanito was actually underway on her own power for some shots in that movie.
Funny how they make the nuke boat on tactical maneuvers while surfaced(!).


Actually she wasn't, she was towed for the at sea scenes. If you look closely you can see where the cable that towed her was attached. I'm not sure there are any Gato or Balao class subs that can still sail. It would be pretty costly keeping them in that kind of condition. Most have had access doors placed in their pressure hulls to allow visitors to see the boats and aren't seaworthy anymore because of it. If I remember right the Pampanito was chosen because she had just gone through an extensive restoration just prior to the movie and was close enough to be filmed.

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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/12/2012 9:02:17 PM   
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An interesting side note. USS Pampanito starred in the comedy "Down Periscope" (with Kelsey Grammer as her skipper) as the "USS Stingray." It is a very funny send-up of WW2 movies that rivals "Operation Petticoat." If you have not seen it you should.


I agree. Good flick, and funny. I understand that Pompanito was actually underway on her own power for some shots in that movie.
Funny how they make the nuke boat on tactical maneuvers while surfaced(!).


Actually she wasn't, she was towed for the at sea scenes. If you look closely you can see where the cable that towed her was attached. I'm not sure there are any Gato or Balao class subs that can still sail. It would be pretty costly keeping them in that kind of condition. Most have had access doors placed in their pressure hulls to allow visitors to see the boats and aren't seaworthy anymore because of it. If I remember right the Pampanito was chosen because she had just gone through an extensive restoration just prior to the movie and was close enough to be filmed.


That makes sense. It was years ago when I read about that but even then I was quite surprised, but I still bought it!


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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/12/2012 10:14:06 PM   
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Roger -

Very nicely done!

Thank You, Sir!

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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/12/2012 10:57:21 PM   
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I wonder if the rustbucket version of "Stingray" at the beginning was Pampanito before restoration? In a movie full of memorable one liners, even now "I feel I need a tetanus booster just from looking at her, Sir!" remains especially memorable.

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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/12/2012 10:59:45 PM   
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I do wonder how you handle museum-fleeting a CVN. Could they not just empty the reactors of fuel, encase the things in lead and concrete, and leave it?

Awe, heck, I don't know from about museum restoration. But in the USA there ought to be a way.

And yes, it's kind of nuts that USS Olympia wants for support.

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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/13/2012 3:08:07 PM   
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RE: SS Pampanito - 5/14/2012 11:27:05 PM   
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My 25th year reunion from college reception was on the hangar deck of the Yorktown at Patriot's Point, almost as cool as the boy scout troop that spent that night on board.

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RE: SS Pampanito - 7/4/2012 9:31:51 PM   
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ship i want to see is the Olympia. Sad that she's in danger of being chopped. Very few ships from her era left in the world




If David Koch is out there reading this, here's a post from a relative of mine.






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RE: SS Pampanito - 7/5/2012 12:33:35 AM   
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Thanks for sharing Roger.

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RE: SS Pampanito - 7/5/2012 12:59:27 AM   
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Heck. I wasn't born until 1967 and the fate of the Big E. depresses me. That ship went through a lot.

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RE: SS Pampanito - 7/5/2012 4:11:38 PM   
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One more to add to the list. USS Torsk is open to the public at Baltimore's Inner Harbor.

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RE: SS Pampanito - 7/5/2012 4:16:27 PM   
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Just a few notes on the merchant ships:
The Liberty ships were built with 4-cylinder triple expansion reciprocating engines. They averaged about 11 knots. 'Large slow moving target' was an apt descrition for this class of vessel.
Victory ships came along later in the war, when US production was up to speed. These were larger and faster ships, equipped with geared steam turbine propusion; they came basicly in 2 flavors, the 6ooo hp ships could make 15 knots; the 8500 hp ships could make 17 knots. There is an operating Victory ship in the Tampa area, that a retired Cheif Engineer freind of mine voluteers his spare time on. Sorry........ the ship's name escapes me at the moment.



I worked as a seaman on two C-4 class ships in the late 1970s. They were WWII era troop tansports converted back to merchant ships after the war. They were pretty beat by then but good reliable ships. I remember that they still had brigs back aft that we used for storage.

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