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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/6/2012 10:57:21 PM   
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The isolation of his units here is entirely predictable.He's probably going to lose two panzer divisions and the Tula-Orel pocket may unravel, but it's no reason to resign and if anything I'd still have him in front.More like an interesting challenge in limiting the damage I'd say.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/6/2012 11:03:23 PM   
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No doubt he's played well up until the last few turns. I really did think you were going to lose Moscow.

Factory raiding is bad strategy, generally speaking, and especially when you have a score of divisions that have evaded pocketing 3 turns in a row and you are on the eve of mud. A suicide raid on Moscow I can understand. A suicide raid on Voronezh instead of a quarter million guys in a loose pocket? Not so much.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/6/2012 11:09:51 PM   
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has anyone done the math on what an Armament point is worth in terms of a 41-45 GC? Its easy to figure out tank production bc you just multiply the figures per the number of turns, but the worth of an Armament point is quite the mystery to me.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/6/2012 11:20:47 PM   
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You want enough of them to avoid running into production shortages. If you lose 50 or less, you're good to go. (There may be a temporary shortfall during the winter.) If you lose 100 or more, you're in trouble. Anything in between means 42 is going to be rough, but as the multiplier increases, you'll get caught up down the line.



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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/7/2012 5:39:45 AM   
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oh I've lost at most 10 or 15 armament points, if that. The only major blow was the aircraft factory at Taganrog that I forgot to evacuate. What I was wondering more about is how much an axis division is worth in terms of armament points. So lets say that 10 armament points provide enough for 10 divisions over the course of the GC, then sacrificing 1 division in a smash and grab would be worth it, I suppose. I'm just curios how the math works out.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/7/2012 6:52:46 AM   
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I don't think this is the way to calculate it, myself. Any amount of armament point losses less than that needed to result in a production shortfall are worth effectively nothing. You'll be running major surpluses by spring of 42 from what it sounds like, once the evacuated factories come back on line and the multiplier kicks in. This would still be the case if you lost 10 more armament points. That's simply not enough to stress your production situation. You have to hit a certain threshold in losses here for it to be meaningful.

If anything, I expect that manpower will be your limiting factor here. He's taken a lot of population centers. You'll be struggling to get much more than 100k men/turn in 1942, and that may sound like a lot, but it's not.



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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/7/2012 2:02:38 PM   
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Very true Flav manpower will probably be a constraint, though I hope to take some of those population centers back in the winter.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/7/2012 2:32:29 PM   
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There is a rather large (~700k ARM) expense beginning July '42 when the standard Soviet Rifle Squad is upgraded, but with 350-ish ARM factories it should not crater your pool.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/7/2012 10:29:11 PM   
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Nothing much to report on the mud turn due to the ceasefire, so I give you:

The New -NEW!- Red Army Dashkas!

Feeling down? Getting routed more often than you'd like? Than fear no more, because for the price of a lifetime of traumatic memories suffered on the front you, yes you comrade, can buy a 2 way ticket to the Red Army Dashkas were our untrained commissar staff will service your every need until your morale reaches 40, at which point its back to the Front, soldier. Red Army Dashkas: It beats getting shot, but not by much.






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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/7/2012 11:58:09 PM   
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Well 821 just sent me a pic of the logistics weather segment. This next turn is going to be crazy.




I'm guessing maybe an assault on Sevsastopol, a rescue/pullback of the encircled panzers near Voronezh. I have no clue what he'll do with Moscow, blizzard and all. Does a random weather blizzard in October still get the first winter penalties/bonuses?

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/8/2012 12:29:18 AM   
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The 41-2 blizzard penalties do not apply until December, regardless of random weather. Ear;y blizzard turns are treated as stock blizzard.



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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/8/2012 12:54:16 AM   
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mah, so much for that idea.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/8/2012 1:00:08 AM   
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Just bear in mind that if he goes nuts this turn, and gets hit with mud in the following turn (which is more likely than not, see the weather tables) he could be right back where he started.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/8/2012 12:12:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Just bear in mind that if he goes nuts this turn, and gets hit with mud in the following turn (which is more likely than not, see the weather tables) he could be right back where he started.


No problem, then the Germans can always call a ceasefire

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/8/2012 1:09:53 PM   
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quote:

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Nothing much to report on the mud turn due to the ceasefire, so I give you:

The New -NEW!- Red Army Dashkas!

Feeling down? Getting routed more often than you'd like? Than fear no more, because for the price of a lifetime of traumatic memories suffered on the front you, yes you comrade, can buy a 2 way ticket to the Red Army Dashkas were our untrained commissar staff will service your every need until your morale reaches 40, at which point its back to the Front, soldier. Red Army Dashkas: It beats getting shot, but not by much.








not a single unit in the pic is in supply. ya want to help em you really need an hq in the area - using a co with high admin/ morale will bring em up to snuff a bit faster =)

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/8/2012 1:57:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: notenome

Nothing much to report on the mud turn due to the ceasefire, so I give you:

The New -NEW!- Red Army Dashkas!

Feeling down? Getting routed more often than you'd like? Than fear no more, because for the price of a lifetime of traumatic memories suffered on the front you, yes you comrade, can buy a 2 way ticket to the Red Army Dashkas were our untrained commissar staff will service your every need until your morale reaches 40, at which point its back to the Front, soldier. Red Army Dashkas: It beats getting shot, but not by much.



Haha, I laughed. ^^

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/8/2012 4:09:47 PM   
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quote:

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Just bear in mind that if he goes nuts this turn, and gets hit with mud in the following turn (which is more likely than not, see the weather tables) he could be right back where he started.


No problem, then the Germans can always call a ceasefire


Heh. Asking for a mulligan on every other hole isn't very sporting.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/8/2012 8:34:56 PM   
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Well got the turn. 821 made the most of the random weather. The Tula-Orel pocket was destroyed, advances were made near Moscow, a small breakthrough in the South, Sevastopol was taken. Kind of pissed, oh well.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/8/2012 8:53:47 PM   
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Here;s a pick of the weather screwjob. Still pissed.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/8/2012 9:10:21 PM   
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North Soviet Zone is 7/11 chance of mud next turn, Central is 9/11, and South is 10/11.

If you hug him and do what you did on turn 17, chances are good that you can put him right back in a logistical bind. Or he could get lucky again.

Don't sweat losing Sevastopol. It's a sideshow. Just keep him on the other side of the Kerch straights. Losing Rostov, however, is a big deal, as is obviously Moscow.

Counterattack vigorously north of Moscow. Just grind him down, his panzers are exposed. They are likely fatigued and not in great shape supply wise.

I would send a good chunk of your reserves to Ryzan and rebuild Bryansk Front from that and start attacking there as well. Like in Kamil's game, this is one my favorite places to deploy cavalry come blizzard.

He's on a shoestring and running on fumes. He's not digging in. When this souffle collapses, you'll bounce back smartly, just hang in there.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/9/2012 12:17:54 AM   
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Picture after Soviet moves. Reinforcements are freed to reinforce certain sectors, and we retreat a panzer and motorized division north of Moscow. About 80% of my best infantry (guards and Siberians) are here, and those stacks can push back almost anything the Axis put in my way. Red Airforce is coming back next turn and I plan to start unleashing hell, the goal is to force the Axis to abandon the Salient.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/9/2012 5:06:38 PM   
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Once again no mud! This is great, except it sucks. 821 is in full offensive mode, almost creating a pocket north of Rostov. This is abjectly ridiculous. Instead of the Red Army gaining strength in October, I'm taking 100k+ casualties every turn.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/9/2012 5:15:58 PM   
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Close up of the Moscow area. He's on the outskirts of the city. Those panzers should be isolated. Almost 100 attacks this turn. This is ridiculous.

My giving a mulligan to 821, combined with this is insanity, may have cost me Moscow.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/9/2012 5:16:05 PM   
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This is what happens when you skip those animal sacrifices. The weather gods must be appeased.

But seriously, just hang in there. The more he pushes things, the worse it will be for him when blizzard hits. He's throwing all caution to the winds.

You are amazingly unlucky with your weather rolls though, lol.






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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/9/2012 5:42:57 PM   
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We retreat two panzer divisions and the lehr brigade north of Moscow.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/9/2012 5:48:30 PM   
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Look how weak his stuff is getting. You're doing the right thing, just keep trashing his his units. You didn't even need the +1 mod on those attacks.

What are his fatigue levels looking like? I bet high.

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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/9/2012 6:56:28 PM   
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Another panzer division is retreated. If we get lucky and mud happens (mud in october? Madness) we should be able to rescue the troops intact.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/9/2012 7:12:46 PM   
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You are correct about that Flav, the average German panzer/motorized division has between 20-40 tanks, turning them effectively into motorized divisions with an attached tank batallion. Here's a screenshot of 3 defensive holds last turn.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/9/2012 9:22:51 PM   
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821 tried to use a regimental screen on that long flank south of Moscow, I'm not having any of that. Centerpiece of the weeks attacks was Tobulkhin retreating 3 Axis divisions in Moscow's southern suburbs.




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RE: 41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 82... - 6/9/2012 11:21:39 PM   
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End of turn screenshot. Next turn is my last chance for mud before the november 'snows'.




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